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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Oh come on. You couldn’t see the blatant plot comparisons between KB and Salt? I thought that part was a pretty obvious rip-off (how she exacted revenge to those she was pissed about dying. Even the same person dying. And the end of the movie was basically kill bill 2 all over again). It was still a good movie though.

Saying Salt didn’t rip-off Kill Bill is like saying Edward Scissor hands didn’t rip off Beauty and the Beast. Even the fight scene at the end was the same! Roof and all.[/quote]

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The plots were not alike. They were both “Revenge Movies” but that is where the comparisons end. Just because they are both “revenge movies” doesn’t mean the plot was the same. The plot of ALL revenge movies is to kill the people who wronged you…and no, sorry, but Kill Bill didn’t have Uma showing ANY compassion at all to anyone. Salt didn’t even kill anyone except the guys who killed her husband. Everyone else was just injured.

You might as well say that new Rock movie coming out has the same plot because it is a “revenge movie” as well.[/quote]

Warning. Movie ending give away in the post that follows. Skip if you haven’t seen it.

Still skip.

Beatrix in Kill Bill was raised by Bill with a team of other assasins as child. So was Salt.

Her husband, who she claimed to marry to fit in, was killed by the guy who raised her and the grown kids she was trained with. So was Salt’s and Salt claimed to be married to him for the same reason.

Beatrix enacted revenge by killing people the people who killed her husband in the same way they enacted murder. So did Salt.

Beatrix killed Bill, the guy who trained her after as a child and who she is supposed to thank and love, after hunting him down for the whole movie. So does Salt.

You’re right that Salt didn’t kill those who attacked her like Beatrix did. There are several differences, but the main plot line was similar.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Oh come on. You couldn’t see the blatant plot comparisons between KB and Salt? I thought that part was a pretty obvious rip-off (how she exacted revenge to those she was pissed about dying. Even the same person dying. And the end of the movie was basically kill bill 2 all over again). It was still a good movie though.

Saying Salt didn’t rip-off Kill Bill is like saying Edward Scissor hands didn’t rip off Beauty and the Beast. Even the fight scene at the end was the same! Roof and all.[/quote]

?

The plots were not alike. They were both “Revenge Movies” but that is where the comparisons end. Just because they are both “revenge movies” doesn’t mean the plot was the same. The plot of ALL revenge movies is to kill the people who wronged you…and no, sorry, but Kill Bill didn’t have Uma showing ANY compassion at all to anyone. Salt didn’t even kill anyone except the guys who killed her husband. Everyone else was just injured.

You might as well say that new Rock movie coming out has the same plot because it is a “revenge movie” as well.[/quote]

Warning. Movie ending give away in the post that follows. Skip if you haven’t seen it.
[/quote]

You know you could have distracted us using the same means used in the T-Vixen thread. I wouldn’t read a word after your photo (if you posted one) :stuck_out_tongue:

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For fucks sake, just watch a real movie like The Expendables.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
For fucks sake, just watch a real movie like The Expendables.[/quote]

OR The A Team. Fuck Yeah!

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[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Oh come on. You couldn’t see the blatant plot comparisons between KB and Salt? I thought that part was a pretty obvious rip-off (how she exacted revenge to those she was pissed about dying. Even the same person dying. And the end of the movie was basically kill bill 2 all over again). It was still a good movie though.

Saying Salt didn’t rip-off Kill Bill is like saying Edward Scissor hands didn’t rip off Beauty and the Beast. Even the fight scene at the end was the same! Roof and all.[/quote]

?

The plots were not alike. They were both “Revenge Movies” but that is where the comparisons end. Just because they are both “revenge movies” doesn’t mean the plot was the same. The plot of ALL revenge movies is to kill the people who wronged you…and no, sorry, but Kill Bill didn’t have Uma showing ANY compassion at all to anyone. Salt didn’t even kill anyone except the guys who killed her husband. Everyone else was just injured.

You might as well say that new Rock movie coming out has the same plot because it is a “revenge movie” as well.[/quote]

Warning. Movie ending give away in the post that follows. Skip if you haven’t seen it.
[/quote]

You know you could have distracted us using the same means used in the T-Vixen thread. I wouldn’t read a word after your photo (if you posted one) :P[/quote]

Well hopefully you still didn’t read a word so you can enjoy the movie. Regardless, I enjoyed Jolie’s rendition of the poker-faced assassin and it’s worth watching even if you know how it ends.

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It was good. I tried to get more into it. But it shocked me how skinny she was. Its a movie and they make little people lift building so I’m not sure why that threw me but I mean wow. She was T-H-I-N.

I should have watched the extended version maybe when I watch it again. I did feel like I was missing stuff when it ended.

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SUPER SPOILER ALERT

[quote]Oleena wrote:

Beatrix in Kill Bill was raised by Bill with a team of other assasins as child. So was Salt.

Her husband, who she claimed to marry to fit in, was killed by the guy who raised her and the grown kids she was trained with. So was Salt’s and Salt claimed to be married to him for the same reason.

Beatrix enacted revenge by killing people the people who killed her husband in the same way they enacted murder. So did Salt.

Beatrix killed Bill, the guy who trained her after as a child and who she is supposed to thank and love, after hunting him down for the whole movie. So does Salt.

You’re right that Salt didn’t kill those who attacked her like Beatrix did. There are several differences, but the main plot line was similar.[/quote]

Is this a movie debate? I LOOOOOVE movie debates…because I am one of those fans who will watch a movie twice, THEN watch the director’s commentary and then research the inspiration for a movie.

In Kill Bill, David Carradine did NOT raise those girls from childhood. The proof of that is in O-ren Ishii being over the age of 20 and working as an assassin on her own before she became one of the Vipers. Uma’s character looked up to him as a father figure…but also as a LOVER. She was also in her 20’s when he finished her training and sent her to learn from a master.

All of them were prodigies but they were all grown women when he trained them (or at least late teens).

Salt was literally RAISED by the man she ended up killing from a little child. He was like her father, not a lover and all of this was part of a government program to create sleeper agents, not simply lone assassin’s. They had these people planted in society for over 20 years non-active.

In the extended version, they drowned her husband slowly instead of shooting him in order to judge her reaction and she had nothing but contempt for him at that point.

Uma’s character still loved Bill even though she killed him.

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[quote]four60 wrote:
It was good. I tried to get more into it. But it shocked me how skinny she was. Its a movie and they make little people lift building so I’m not sure why that threw me but I mean wow. She was T-H-I-N.

I should have watched the extended version maybe when I watch it again. I did feel like I was missing stuff when it ended.[/quote]

Most of her moves were throws or just kicks. She used their own momentum…the same thing Batman does to take down villains way bigger and stronger than himself. I agree she was mad skinny, but it isn’t like they had her pick anyone up and throw them somewhere.

The extended version is better.

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i thought salt was good like a bourne movie. i would definitely like to see more films. i think they built a good foundation for a series. i see salt as a skilled operative on the lam action film.

i see kill bill as awesome but a different story altogether. a salute to one of the styles of martial arts movies of the 70s that bruce lee started where the student avenges the death of their venerable teacher.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Oh come on. You couldn’t see the blatant plot comparisons between KB and Salt? I thought that part was a pretty obvious rip-off (how she exacted revenge to those she was pissed about dying. Even the same person dying. And the end of the movie was basically kill bill 2 all over again). It was still a good movie though.

Saying Salt didn’t rip-off Kill Bill is like saying Edward Scissor hands didn’t rip off Beauty and the Beast. Even the fight scene at the end was the same! Roof and all.[/quote]

?

The plots were not alike. They were both “Revenge Movies” but that is where the comparisons end. Just because they are both “revenge movies” doesn’t mean the plot was the same. The plot of ALL revenge movies is to kill the people who wronged you…and no, sorry, but Kill Bill didn’t have Uma showing ANY compassion at all to anyone. Salt didn’t even kill anyone except the guys who killed her husband. Everyone else was just injured.

You might as well say that new Rock movie coming out has the same plot because it is a “revenge movie” as well.[/quote]

Warning. Movie ending give away in the post that follows. Skip if you haven’t seen it.
[/quote]

You know you could have distracted us using the same means used in the T-Vixen thread. I wouldn’t read a word after your photo (if you posted one) :P[/quote]

Well hopefully you still didn’t read a word so you can enjoy the movie. Regardless, I enjoyed Jolie’s rendition of the poker-faced assassin and it’s worth watching even if you know how it ends.[/quote]

Yeah I whizzed past your post as soon as you mentioned movie ending. Jolie plays hero and villain equally well, although I don’t think she’s played the latter (?), perhaps anti-hero is a better title?

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I just finished watching it and it was a good damn movie. I am usually let down by movies that have a good buzz around them and I heard good things about this movie from my friends. In my opinion it had excellent pacing, good acting, and very good action scenes. Also if I’m not mistaken there was a twist at the end.

SPOILERS

The new president has the same background story as Salt implying that he is also a mole…Twist! I’m glad they didn’t go the lollipop route and have her save her husband and save the President. I’m actually quite shocked that they killed the president a lot of movies don’t get that vicious. Also I would disagree with X about her having nothing but contempt for her husband when he was drowned. She had to keep a stone cold look on her face in order for them to totally believe that she was still on the right side. She tells the black Counter Intelligence agent that they took everything from me…I’ll kill them all.

END SPOILERS

Also Oleena your really reaching trying to compare this movie with kill bill. Beatrice didn’t give a damn about her fiance that got killed in the church, she was using that guy as a cover, to a normal life. When she went on her bloody revenge trip she never mentioned her dead husband only the baby that was taken away from her. Beatrice didn’t have any honorable intentions she just wanted revenge. Salt was more about sabotaging the soviets plans.

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[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
Also I would disagree with X about her having nothing but contempt for her husband when he was drowned. She had to keep a stone cold look on her face in order for them to totally believe that she was still on the right side. She tells the black Counter Intelligence agent that they took everything from me…I’ll kill them all.

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I agree with you. I was speaking of contempt for the man who raised her and changed her face as a child. She loved her husband…which may be the main reason she turned on them.

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Spoils:

Also, it would seem that the only people who hated the movie are the guys acting like they had the whole plot figured out from the start of the movie…which is bullshit. They could have gone several different ways with that plot and that “twist” at the end could have also gone in at least 2 or 3 different directions.

You may have considered one of the possibilities for an ending, but if you had the whole movie figured out in the first 5 min than you are either psychic and/or need to simply stop watching movies if you gain no enjoyment from it.

The way that movie started gave no hint that she would take down a whole fucking army and then have one of her own staff turn out to be a sleeper agent that even she didn’t know about.

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I saw this last night. I really enjoyed it and I am looking forward to the next one.

Oleena has some good points about the plot comparisons with Kill Bill, and I think the plot differences noted are splitting hairs a bit. Nevertheless, Salt didn’t have the same look and feel as Kill Bill. It was stylistically very different–more like Bourne, if anything.

In any event, I thought it was very well done and much better than the shlock they usually churn out.

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Anyone watch Ultraviolet?

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[quote]DM65 wrote:
Anyone watch Ultraviolet?
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Yeah I didn’t understand it and I didn’t like it.

Aeon Flux was horrible as well.

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Just watched it.

7.5/10

I liked the twists, which improved my opinion of the film.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
SUPER SPOILER ALERT

[quote]Oleena wrote:

Beatrix in Kill Bill was raised by Bill with a team of other assasins as child. So was Salt.

Her husband, who she claimed to marry to fit in, was killed by the guy who raised her and the grown kids she was trained with. So was Salt’s and Salt claimed to be married to him for the same reason.

Beatrix enacted revenge by killing people the people who killed her husband in the same way they enacted murder. So did Salt.

Beatrix killed Bill, the guy who trained her after as a child and who she is supposed to thank and love, after hunting him down for the whole movie. So does Salt.

You’re right that Salt didn’t kill those who attacked her like Beatrix did. There are several differences, but the main plot line was similar.[/quote]

Is this a movie debate? I LOOOOOVE movie debates…because I am one of those fans who will watch a movie twice, THEN watch the director’s commentary and then research the inspiration for a movie.

In Kill Bill, David Carradine did NOT raise those girls from childhood. The proof of that is in O-ren Ishii being over the age of 20 and working as an assassin on her own before she became one of the Vipers. Uma’s character looked up to him as a father figure…but also as a LOVER. She was also in her 20’s when he finished her training and sent her to learn from a master.

All of them were prodigies but they were all grown women when he trained them (or at least late teens).

Salt was literally RAISED by the man she ended up killing from a little child. He was like her father, not a lover and all of this was part of a government program to create sleeper agents, not simply lone assassin’s. They had these people planted in society for over 20 years non-active.

In the extended version, they drowned her husband slowly instead of shooting him in order to judge her reaction and she had nothing but contempt for him at that point.

Uma’s character still loved Bill even though she killed him.[/quote]

Well done X. My only point of contention is the drowning scene. I think she was holding back tears during that scene and realized, then, that she hated those who were drowning him. The glory was watching her pretend to hate him so she could enact the revenge. I felt tension wondering if they would buy it and then utter relief when they did.

You have to admit that the assassin similarity and being guided by a man they eventually kill similarity is real, though.

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:

[quote]Doug Adams wrote:
I watched it, and don’t plan to again.[/quote]

I honestly thought this movie was horrible. If it didn’t feature one of the most beautiful women in Hollywood, I don’t think a single soul would have even harbored the slightest interest in seeing it.
[/quote]

this

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Chewwy wrote:
Am I the only one that doesn’t find Angelina Jolie attractive?[/quote]

i dont find her attractive either[/quote]

lol maybe if she ate a sandwich