I have recently acquired what I would think is quite a large amount of gear and ancillaries for free (the circumstances are unimportant). I know for a fact its genuine because its all been lab tested.
I’ve been lifting for about 5 years, currently benching just under twice bodyweight, squatting over two and half BW and deadlifting a bit more. I’m no training or diet newbie. I’ve also read everything there is possible on the net about gear and doing it properly. I’m 31 years old, never touched it before. I have my own ideas on how best to use it all (which I intend to do) but I would really appreciate the input on those who have firsthand knowledge and experience.
The goal, is to gain as much muscle as possible, time im easy on. I also wish to avoid getting too strong too fast and getting injured. I’ll give you a list of what I have:
Testosterone Cypionate: 20,000mg (total) Oil based injectable
Nandrolone Decanoate: 20,000mg (total) Oil based injectable
Arimidex: 600 x 1mg Tablets
Raloxifene: 200 x 60mg
Nolvadex: 30 x 20mg
HCG: 10 x 10000iU vials with Bac Stat water for Recon.
I also have access to IGF1 Lr3, but I would have to pay for that. I also had never heard of it till recently and thought it was some sort of scam product but I’m open to new things.
I basically would like advice on how much to do, how many cycles, time off in between, should I just stay on for a year or more? any advice on eating and training frequency relative to the dosages recommended would also be appreciated.
Serious advice only please, and If you have never touched gear in your life, please do not post as I would like it from the most qualified to give it.
Do you really expect us to design a complicated 5 year plan for you when you yourself are too lazy to even read the posts at the top of the forum that say “NEWBIES READ THESE BEFORE POSTING”?
If you look through Furious George’s sticky on Newbie Cycles, he goes into some thoughts on long term cycling. It would be a good place to start.
As for gaining as much muscle as possible, that will be a combination of your use of what you have but more importantly your training and your diet. Avoiding getting injured isn’t a matter of strength, just of knowing your limits. The sticky I mentioned also has some advice around diet in there.
You also say that you have your own ideas on how best to use it, well, post those. It’s easier for the vets here to advise around an actual cycle than a potential one. It also shows people you are serious about this. I’m not sure if anyone uses the Post Your Cycle sticky but it’s still worth a try. Or just lay out your basic game plan here after reading through the long term cycling in Furious’ sticky.
Do you really expect us to design a complicated 5 year plan for you when you yourself are too lazy to even read the posts at the top of the forum that say “NEWBIES READ THESE BEFORE POSTING”?[/quote]
I’ve already got a couple of ideas in mind, and if you don’t feel like helping me out thats fine. I have read and re-read the stickies. I have taken note of the information provided.
I wasn’t expecting anything from anyone, but I thought that given I’m about to start a long term course of drug use, that those who have been in my shoes before would be kind enough to share their experience.
My options as I see it are as follows:
Cycle it. Starting off with 200mg test and 200mg nandrolone a week, bumping up to maybe 400/400 if i react ok and sides are not too bad. Arimdex thoughout and during PCT. HCG twice a week at 1500iu. Raloxifene I was going to use only if i needed it. I could do this 16w on and 16w off and over several cycles find the sweet spot for the doses.
Stay on. I am tempted to just start off at 200/200 as stated before, increase to taste and just stay on still its done, and reduce the hcg frequency. Perhaps stay for one year then come off, see what its like and take it from there. I’m not looking for any short lasting gains, and I think that since I’m going to do this, I might as well do it properly.
If people have some better ideas based on experience, then I am all ears.
Do you really expect us to design a complicated 5 year plan for you when you yourself are too lazy to even read the posts at the top of the forum that say “NEWBIES READ THESE BEFORE POSTING”?[/quote]
I’ve already got a couple of ideas in mind, and if you don’t feel like helping me out thats fine. I have read and re-read the stickies. I have taken note of the information provided.
I wasn’t expecting anything from anyone, but I thought that given I’m about to start a long term course of drug use, that those who have been in my shoes before would be kind enough to share their experience.
My options as I see it are as follows:
Cycle it. Starting off with 200mg test and 200mg nandrolone a week, bumping up to maybe 400/400 if i react ok and sides are not too bad. Arimdex thoughout and during PCT. HCG twice a week at 1500iu. Raloxifene I was going to use only if i needed it. I could do this 16w on and 16w off and over several cycles find the sweet spot for the doses.
Stay on. I am tempted to just start off at 200/200 as stated before, increase to taste and just stay on still its done, and reduce the hcg frequency. Perhaps stay for one year then come off, see what its like and take it from there. I’m not looking for any short lasting gains, and I think that since I’m going to do this, I might as well do it properly.
If people have some better ideas based on experience, then I am all ears.[/quote]
I think 200mg of Test a week is much too low. Seems closer to an HRT dose than a cycle. It’s been said that your best gains come from your first cycle so something like that is doing yourself a disservice. Again, go with something basic like 250mg Test Cyp E3D, Armidex .25mg EOD over 10 weeks and see how you react. If you want to throw the Deca in at 300mg/week, your choice. PCT either standard or taper. Then plan your next cycle after that. Maybe someone else will chime in but I don’t think you will be seeing things go to waste by sticking to the more tried and true.
I think you need further lab testing. Send it all to my address =)
In all seriousness 20g of test and 20g of deca, someone got you a good mid-summer gift. Except for the nolva. The nolva seems to be oddly out of place quantity-wise.
Even at a low dose of 200 of test till its done (which is 100 weeks), you’ll have a shit fking hard time with any sort of PCT trying to start your system back up producing its own test, despite HCG. You may end up having to resort to physician-prescribed TRT (which you may not mind. A lot of people don’t mind it, actually).
I also think 200mg/week Test is low. That’s only about 140-150mg/week of actual Test when you factor in the ester weight. The results wouldn’t be worth the shutdown/recovery process in my opinion. Even for a beginner, I think 500-750mg is a good range to start with as for most it seems to be an area where negative sides are still negligible/manageable or even non-existent.
Thanks for the thoughts guys. I agree, from what I gather 200/200 is a small dose, I was just going to start off on that to see how I react to the gear, I will probabl aim for the 400/400 mark. I will be looking to bump it up if everything goes well. The reason I have nandrolone is the same reason I have all of this stuff, its free, so I can’t complain, and want to know how best to use it.
I have been told that nandrolone is great for gaining weight with low sides, and also that running a combo of nand and test will give me the maximum gain with minimal sides as opposed to just blasting the test.
Well since it was free yes you cannot really complain can you. You seem attached to the idea that you should use equal amounts of test and deca. I would not do this. Generally you don’t need a large quantity of deca to see results even if it takes awhile to kick in. The test is really up to you. Even 400mg/wk is on the low end, especially if you are only using that 400mg of test with say 200-300mg of deca a week.
The one ancillary you are lacking is something for prolactin either caber or prami and yes you should have that for the deca. Otherwise you have enough estrogen control to run a decent weekly dose of test if you wanted to start even higher than 400. Also consider a front load when you settle on a dose.
I have seriously considered frontloading when I’ve settled on a final plan, and I am also aware that the starting dosages are considered low. I am a little nervous about starting off with a first week frontload of 1.6g of anabolics (if i was to frontload 400/400) Which is why I wanted to ease into it gradually, since I have no idea if I will get sides or not i wanted to play it carefully.
Another question I have is regarding the dosages people use, I have chosen lower numbers because I also know for a fact that this gear is 100% dosed correctly and genuine, I have heard that UG gear is quite often underdosed, and that this was a common reason for people needing higher dosages. If this is total rubbish then please correct me.
I would also like to know if it is worth my while to get some of the Igf lr3, does this stuff even exist and does it work? If I want to get it, then I only have a limited time so I would appreciate some advice whether I should or not, and how effective it is. It’s certainly a shitload cheaper than HGH.
Also keep in mind that you have those long esters so you wont really see the negative sides until they “kick in” (I saw deca effects around week 9 and test in week 6 and that’s when I noticed the minor sides). I also suggest about 10 week cycle of 2-300mg of deca + 5-700mgs of test.
I dont know about underdoses UGL stuff. I know my stuff is homemade and if yours is quality I’d still not change a thing. I’d still recommend more than 400mg/wk of test and less on the deca. Don’t work about getting crippled with sides from a frontload.
[quote]saps wrote:
I dont know about underdoses UGL stuff. I know my stuff is homemade and if yours is quality I’d still not change a thing. I’d still recommend more than 400mg/wk of test and less on the deca. Don’t work about getting crippled with sides from a frontload.[/quote]
Listen to saps OP.
I’d recommend 600mg T 200mg deca (since you dont have cabergoline).
I’d also never recommend running deca indefinitely but if you want to stay on until you run out, that’s on you.
I’m definately going to lean that way I think, more test less deca. I can get other ancillaries but I’ll have to pay for them. If its an essential then I’ll get the caber. Are side effects with higher doses of deca common? (I’m guessing they are from your reccomendation) What is the most likely side effect? And would you mind elaborating more on why you wouldn’t run deca indefinately, as opposed to running test indefinately, I’m guessing its because of the shutdown. Because of this, If I chose to do the year long route, should I cycle the deca? If I were to do this, what timepsan would you reccomend for cycling?
Also, for a year or more, is it worth varying dosages at all over the course of the year? Is it worth staying on for a year? To be honest, now im past 30 I think I could quite happily go on TRT if I didnt recover properly. Another thing I was worried about was having kids, although a friend of mine juiced for years and he’s had no problems starting a family while on.
I appreciate the advice guys, its good to get several views on the subject.
Also when saps mentioned prami earlier, did he mean pramiracitam?
Pramipexole is another dopamine agonist. Caber is probably a lot more widely used. I must admit I’d never even heard of pramipexole till recently but Bill Roberts gives it the thumbs up so. The point remains the same you want/need something in case you get excessive prolactin while on a nor19 like deca or tren.
Deca for me and most of us is the harsher of the two in terms of sex drive suppression and in some cases elimination. I’ve run many consecutive months on deca but never more than 300-400mg a week and yes the more I use the more I get ‘deca dick’. At this point in my life I’ve sworn off deca for good. Its not worth it for me.
You can run deca 52 weeks a year if you know you can handle it. Personally I would not and cannot because Im affected by the sides too much. It varies of course, the sides I mean. Experience is the only true teacher for what will work for you and what will affect you.
Test can be run forever because basically test is test like our male bodies make anyway and the sides especially at low dose are minimal and controllable. Quite frankly as long as you have all your ancillaries in order you can run anything indefinitely. At this point in my personal life the only thing I would run indefinitely is mast and test. But that’s just me. Some guys lose hair on mast and so they would not run it indef. You gotta find your own preferences and such-like
Explain why you think its a good idea NOT to run a 8 week cycle as your first attempt at AAS use? Not judging you, I’m just curious. Or dont explain, I dont really care either way.
maybe you take this the wrong way, but hopefully you don’t. my only suggestion is no sense in revealing how much gear you have. no good can come of it.
I would consider doing an 8 weeker, but I’ve been told by several people whose opinion I value that assuming you don’t get any serious sides, then you will do much better on a 16 week cycle than on an 8 week, and recovery from something as supressive as deca is about the same regardless. Since I’ve decided to take the plunge, I figure there is no point messing around, I might as well do it properly.
I also know that no-one ever build a seriously respectable amount of size off 1 single cycle, even a relatively long one. So taking this into account, I know I am going to be doing at least a few so I thought I would weight up the pros and con’s of just staying on , or cycling. If you think that doing an 8 weeker just to test the water is a good idea, I’ll take that on board too.
As for the gear, its legal in my country of residence.