Russian Military Buildup Outside Ukraine

Food for thought: From Mr. Webb.

Wars are no longer conventionally fought and won with an army of tanks, planes and infantry fighting battles

As Russia’s war with Ukraine enters its second week more than 1 million refugees are spilling over the Western European embankment. It is the region’s largest conflict since World War II and it has kicked off a wave of panic and anxiety that has spread across the globe.

This is likely what Putin wants.

Why?

Let’s take a look.

Russia has the military resources (conventional and asymmetric) to secure Ukraine decisively and quickly.

This hasn’t happened. Here are three theories why:

  1. Putin is pushing the pawns around like a chess master ratcheting up the pressure and tension to strengthen his negotiating position.

By annexing the strategically important areas of Ukraine like Sevastopol in Crimea and rending the rest as an unarmed vassal state completely dependent on Russia for security Putin creates a Texas-sized buffer zone against an imagined future attack by NATO.

  1. Putin’s senior military leaders have bungled what could have been a quick victory and power grab.

They bought into their own propaganda that Ukraine and its people saw themselves as culturally Russian and wanted to be a part of a Russian-dominated East rather than Western Europe, The EU and NATO.

They believed that they would walk into the country and be greeted as liberators from the pro-Western Zelensky government.

For this reason, they employed an armed force intended for a soft occupation rather than his most capable combat units. They also underestimated the will of the people of Ukraine to resist forced assimilation into the Russian sphere and the ability of their own troops to go from the mindset of, “We saving Ukraine!” to, “We are conquering Ukraine!”

There are many Ukrainians living in Russia and vice versa, this war has a stain of fratricide on it.

  1. Putin deployed his military on the border expecting that the threat of invasion would scare Ukraine and the West into submission to his demands and when it didn’t work his generals devised an ad hoc invasion to make good on their threat.**

There are many Ukrainians living in Russia and vice versa, this war has a stain of fratricide on it.

He ended up attacking with an understrength force in less than ideal weather with the results you are seeing on television with lots of casualties and frustratingly slow progress.

The first scenario is the most likely given Putin’s record as a cold and calculated leader who has ambitions to restore Russia to its USSR size and glory. However, in just about any of these scenarios Ukraine is very likely to win in the end.

How come?

Because wars in this part of the 21st Century are no longer conventionally fought and won with the traditional army of tanks planes and infantry fighting battles. They are dispersed, asymmetric, and happen in the shadows of city streets and on the internet.

An interconnected economy means Putin faces sanctions in a modern world where global banking and supply chains can be turned off with a keyboard click rather than bombers destroying his factories and railroads and submarines sinking his merchant ships to cripple his ability to make war.

History has also taught us that a small motivated insurgency can outlast and beat back a much larger adversary. It’s why guerrilla warfare occurs so often in the world today. It’s because it works.

A country like the United States may be able to extend the length of an insurgency but as we saw in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq, they are all but impossible to defeat.

The only way is to occupy the entire country with a massive force that will get the edges dulled from a fiercely loyal insurgency with purpose (repel Russia). You then have to take complete control the food, water, electricity and heat for the entire population, so that you can strangle them for aiding the insurgency.

It’s a brutal, medieval way of war and typically the harder it gets on the population, the more the insurgency forges into hard steel.

Chechnya is just about two-thirds the size of New Hampshire and Russia fought a nearly 20-year war trying to prevent its independence after the Soviet Union broke up in 1991.

Conventional military operations lasted a year and then there was a nine-year active insurgency followed by a low-level insurgency that only ended in 2017. Upwards of 250,000 people died. Russia admitted to losing some 6,000 Russian soldiers but the actual number may be much higher.

Ukraine by comparison is the size of Texas and has a population of 44 million who so far have fought with great bravery and determination and may have inflicted as many as 3,000 casualties on Russia, in a week. The amount of damage a small determined insurgency can do was apparent to me when I was a young sniper on board the USS Cole, doing overwatch, noticing how two terrorists in a small boat almost sank a billion-dollar warship while it was in port.

In the long grinding war of an insurgency, Russia faces years of killing Ukrainian civilians and insurgents along with the deaths of thousands of Russian soldiers. Given the number of Ukrainians living in Russia, its own territory is likely to see terrorist attacks again just as they also occurred during the Chechen conflict.

Putin’s only real choice is to push hard-lined negotiations followed by a complete force withdrawal or risk being sucked into a dystopian war. His reputation, legacy, and the perception of Russia as a major power are at stake here, and pulling back bloody and beaten by Ukraine would be a devastating blow to all.

The die is cast and Russia will have to learn again the hard way about the modern way of insurgency warfare in the 21st century.

This is why Ukraine eventually wins an irregular war but at what cost is yet to be seen.

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Also, should I automatically disbelieve a source because it’s Russian?

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The option number two.

Yes, dystopian never ending war is more than acceptable if it results in the destruction of “historical anti-Russia”.

Would you listen to Axis Sally during WW2 to get a “balanced view”? He views himself at war with the entire West and the information space is simply an extension of his military efforts.

Its like once the mystique of the cold, calculated, highly intelligent russian ubermensch is stripped away by cell phone videos and unfiltered access they just look like a bunch of fucking retards.

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I consume content from various sources, including those that conflict, turn them over in my head, and draw my own conclusions, which might be wrong or right. I don’t draw my conclusions from emotion or from pressure from emotional blackmail or wanting to follow others.

That goes for content on WWII as well.

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Is that a thing? I’ve always just thought of Russia as a big space with a bunch of bodies to sacrifice.

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I’m still at a loss how this perception came to be, especially in the US.

I remember watching Rocky IV on a bootlegged VHS copy as a kid with my brothers and we couldn’t stop laughing We literally had to pause the movie to gasp for air. The whole “Ivan Drago” premise was ridiculous. Obviously none of the screenwriters have ever seen a Russian or knew anything about the country.

If you want to imagine an average Russian outside of major population centers (Moscow, St. Petersburg, Rostov…) think 1920s rural Alabama. And that’s very generous.

1/2 of the USSR population, meaning two times less bodies. In addition, younger generations aren’t so gung ho to be killed. This transforms into more artillery to kill Ukrainian civilians and more Chechen jihadists as shock troops.

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Europeans only get our leftwing media and the far left BBC from the US. And they basically copy the stories and print it in their own language. Hence, Europe really has not idea what’s going on in the US. All they here is CNN from the US. CNN! The most corrupt, lying, worst reputation, child molesting, collapsing, irrelevant “news” network on the planet. I’d sooner trust the National Enquirer. Like early 2000’s CNN would be my first read, by 2010 I hardly ever looked, now I don’t bother at all. That’s one source I don’t even begin to trust for half a second. MSNBC is actually better, I might use them occasionally.

Well, good luck de-gendering those languages… Wokeness doesn’t make any sense in most languages. It would be a whole-sale overhaul of most of those languages. I like Europeans, but politically Europe might be the dumbest people on the planet. So far they’ve managed to get us in to 2 world wars and are currently working on the third. Yeah, I do accept the US’s role, we fucked this up as bad as we could have possibly done it. After Kamala’s “Look guys,…” speech, I knew we were doomed.

That absolutely was not necessary. Détente, negotiation, talking with Putin may have prevented this war. But we made him a punch line. We dragged him through the mud to oust and get Trump out of office and hence Trump had no shot of really negotiating with Putin. And it’s not “because Trump”, but because the timing was pretty crucial to prevent what is going on from happening happened to be during the Trump admin, who was willing, but not able to negotiate with Russia. And Biden basically forced this war. And he’s sends an idiot like Kamala to encourage any enemy to attack.
NATO to me is useless. It’s sole reason for existence is to drag the US into European wars because Europe won’t spend any money on their own defense. That’s why they can afford all those idiotic social programs, they don’t need to fund an Army.
NATO is a cold war relic. It’s purpose was so that we could put missiles and defense close to the USSR. And for that exchanged, we agreed to take on the bulk of the defense because the USSR was our problem. A couple of years after the USSR ceased to exist, so should have NATO. It wasn’t needed any more.
Contrary to popular belief and the idiotic media narrative, this didn’t happen out of the ether. There is a lot of history here that led up to this moment. Like I said, war was a foregone conclusion. We have given every reason for Putin to do what he did. It’s still Putin’s fault, he is the one who invaded, but we took all options off the table leading up to this moment as if it were planned to happen this way.
I don’t know, no one does, but it sure looked like to me, we wanted this war.

Understatement of the year. Europe is definately asleep at the wheel, still. And it’s at their door step.

The A10’s are bad ass. But I think your under estimating Russia’s capability. That convoy wouldn’t exist the way it does if they calculated anyone ‘taking it out’. Do not think they are stupid or don’t know what they are doing. The Ukrainians may be putting up admirable defense, but they are going to lose without massive intervention. They have the capabilities to take out those A10’s and besides they are design for close ground support.

My that’s quite optimistic. And also very myopic. Seems like the author has completely forgotten about China as have we. Putin and Xi met right before all this started. If anyone thinks there is no cooperation here, well good luck with that.
I would love to be wrong, but unless major powers are willing to go to war with Russia, Ukraine will fall. I am guessing escalation is all but inevitable at this point. If you want to shock Russia, surrender Ukraine.
Russia is winning for now. Escalation seems inevitable.

Rocky won, fair and square. And James Brown is awesome.

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Oh goody, I just saw Lindsey Graham called for the assassination of Putin. That’s really going to settle down the conflict. Our leaders are clowns. We got geriatric morons finding ways to make shit worse in unimaginable ways. Yeah, this is getting worse.

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They have to give Putin a way out now. All the pressure does not help if you just corner a dog. The dog needs a way to go, a way out.

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I imagine it’s a similar mechanism as the development of the “Chinese are great at maths” stereotype

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You mean back to his own country? Hardly cornered.

FYI, the beauty of sanctions is they work as deterence, but lifting them works as an incentive.

oh man… idk what rural Russia is like, but if it’s anything like the CHinese countryside…Alabama is definitely very generous

I can’t comment on this, but I’ve been to provincial China (I can’t be more specific because one might infer for which large international company I worked then) but visually it seemed much better off than Russian countryside. You can almost taste the darkness and despair there.

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oh yeah, the government has been putting in a LOT of effort into “cleaning up” the countryside. They’ve done a really good job

The problem is the ppl.
The younger, educated ppl go to the cities, so it’s the old ppl and drunks who stay behind.
TBF, I’m a bit biased bc I’ve had very bad experiences with my mum’s relatives

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With all the emotional bloviation going on, I don’t see that happening. We need rational, calm, cool headed people acting like adults that’s not happening. “No fly zone”? That means war with Russia. Assassinate Putin? Massive war with Russia. Yeah, giving Putin a face saving way out would be smart. That’s probably why that’s not going to happen. They want to capture putin and give him intense CRT training.

If that’s your metric, your delusional. Putin is obviously happy to go all the way here. And it seems you are under estimating them by quite a bit. Ukraine is going one way or the other, it’s a matter of how much death is worth the fight. This isn’t a game and China is on his side. I don’t see China switching sides here, they have their own agenda and Taiwan is their prize and they want it bad, with Russian energy and Chinese manufacturing, Putin does not need the west and neither does China. China has been ready to take Taiwan for a couple of years at least and it would not surprise me one bit if they move very soon. Maybe not, but escalation is the only direction we’ve been heading in the whole time. We may see a lull and think it’s all over and then it gets worse. Underestimate the Russians at your own risk. You’re not going to kick his ass back to Moscow unless you want total war.

And keep in mind, we are buying 500K barrels of oil from Russia a day. The oil is pumping without reservation. And the idiot biden admin will not ramp up American production which would render us completely independent and give us much more leverage. For some reason, Russian oil is greener than American oil.

I didn’t check the news earlier, Russia got the nuclear plant. I figured…

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That whole chain breaks down if no one else buys their shit.

They could be their own closed economy but it would only be a matter of time before one tried to over take the other because they both play zero sum rules.

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Iran, Syria, and Brazil seems to be on their side, so far. China’s inroads to Africa and South America also bode well for them. It would be back to east against west.

No.

I have 10 marbles. I give you one.

Now you owe me 2 marbles. The one I gave you and the one you owe me because I was willing to give you one.

You obviously havr no experience with institutionalized criminals and cigarette based economics.

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That’s true.