I said “in this world.” And it’s not yours. But no other mortal or group of mortals has the right to take it. And you have the right to defend it.
Honestly, not sure at this point in my life.
But how does it stem form the base of self-ownership? Presumably ones body is not chosen it is either random or given to you by a deity or as part of the process Samsara as a result of your kamic actions (as in the idea of the cycle of rebirth in Hindu/buddhism).
Yes, but this world is not “our” world from the biblical perspective. Also commandment =/= right.
Everything MIDAS touches turns to Gold…everyting BIDEN touches turns to Shit
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If you own yourself, you own the products of your self. There are pretty good logical reasons for property rights from self ownership. Not sure how old you are but I also had a nihilistic phase and if you are an engineer, it’s probably pretty normal at some point.
I actually didn’t fully change until I had kids. I can doubt self ownership to an extent, but not the ownership of my children. I’d fight more for them than for myself. I know that isn’t a rational argument, just an anecdote.
As an engineer I like to work from the point that truth is what works. Meaning if I design a structure using a particular design method and calculations, they are true if the design works as intended and were false if the predictions don’t work. Even though ultimately FEA and whatever else you using are not true to the physical world and are in error. Correct for an engineer is found in results, not in verified factual theory. I’ve expanded that largely to other areas of my life. A religion is true if it correctly orients the practitioner in the world to result in the desired life outcomes. For all practical application (assuming common notions of good and bad outcomes) self ownership and property ownership are as true as anything. Peril and evil and suffering result in it’s absence.
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Isn’t this basically Locke’s philosophy (you own the products of your work, and work is an extension of self)?
I have kids too and I am with you that I would do more to protect them than anything else but I don’t believe that gives me ownership over them.
But do we truly own ourselves or like I said is that a construct humans have created? Other creatures don’t really do we what we do with stuff (other than marking territory for survival purposes). Are humans all that special in the grand scheme of things?
@NickViar If a woman was getting raped in your front yard, would you intervene? What if you had taken her handgun and told her “don’t worry, I’ll protect you”?
Why is she in my front yard, and how have I determined she is being raped?
See, the fact that you play games with that scenario shows your lack of morals.
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There are a lot who have subscribed to that reasoning.
This is a complicated idea and I’m not sure how to articulate it. I do not mean ownership like ownership of a car or even a dog. Ownership isn’t the best word. I mean that I assume full and total responsibility for them and that the responsibility cannot be taken by anyone else. They are MY children, but that possessiveness IS a duty. I lay claim to the responsibility of them. (and it’s reciprocal as appropriate to their stage of development. I’m also THIER father) I probably belong to them more than the other way around, as I expect it is with most good parents.
Eh, some animals get more advanced in ethics than your think. Even rats have notions of fair play. But why does it matter? Are you wanting to feel special?
He told them thusly
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I agree with this and see where you are coming from.
The exact opposite. I think humans in general believe too much they are special for whatever reason (religion, intelligence, power etc…).
And you think the world would be better if people thought of themselves as less special? Or are you just pointing out the fact that people aren’t as special as they think?
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Huh? Those are important questions to answer before getting involved…especially how you’ve determined she’s being raped.
Edit: By the way, this is more like a woman with a dick in her 5,000 miles away. Not in my backyard. And she consented a couple of days ago, then changed her mind yesterday, and shook her head “no” while mouthing “yes” today.
By the way, again: If I promise someone protection, that person is not leaving my side. She’s not going to be in my yard by herself.
Likely yes.
Alright, you have me interested. What do you think would improve and why?
Well, if we don’t believe humans are special, it seems the answer to proper handling of this situation is much more clear: do nothing, because it doesn’t matter what happens to anyone and is better for Americans.
Similar to the earlier discussion, this doesn’t seem at least mildly self contradictory to you? If it doesn’t matter what happens to anyone… why does what’s “better for Americans” matter?
Replace “Better for Americans” with “Better for whomever ‘you,’ is” then.
LOL. FTR you’d also have to change to “it doesn’t matter what happens to not-you”. You seems pretty arbitrary in your system though.