Russian Military Buildup Outside Ukraine

You’re too dumb to understand the irony of this, but everybody else gets it.

Hint: it has to do with nato’s charter and sole purpose of existence. :rofl:

:rofl: You silly fucktard.

But why do you believe this? Putin has articulated a desire to reconstitute the historical Russian empire which theoretically includes Finland, Poland, the Baltic states, and parts of Sweden. He didn’t invade Ukraine because he saw a threat (not an external threat, at least). He saw an opportunity.

I believe that Putin won’t attack NATO, but only so long as NATO doesn’t present an opportunity. Giving the Ukrainians enough weapons to continue to tie up the Russian military prevents him from having an opportunity to attack NATO.

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Because he knows what that entails. He may be a dictator and cruel, but I don’t think he is insane.

If this was the only goal and not the pretty reasoning for other nefarious shit, I would agree.

If we were not 34 trillion in debt, I would agree.

If all of our vets and homeless were taken care of, I would agree.

If our infrastructure wasn’t falling apart, I would agree.

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I would suggest you take a course with Professor @castoli1971/@castoli711(although he seems to be on the sane side of most foreign policy questions).

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Being on the same side of ANY issue as castoli doesn’t make you question your stance?

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He is narcissistic AF, but like most ruthless dictators, also intelligent. Seems to be getting a little desperate in his later years though.

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Countering Russian aggression in Europe is something that we have to do one way or another. Either we do it now for the low price of a few hundred billion dollars and no American lives or we wait for the problem to get bigger and spend more to solve it, both in blood and treasure. If you’re in debt but you find that your pipes are leaking inside your wall, you still fix it now because if you don’t it’s only going to get worse.

Also, for the most part, we aren’t just sending cash to Ukraine (and I would say that in general we shouldn’t be sending cash). We’re sending weapons that we represent as a price tag. It’s not like we can re-purpose tanks and bullets and javelins to care for veterans and fix our roads.

As far as nefarious shit, it’s the government. It’s all nefarious shit. But some of it does some good, too.

In regards to Putin, he miscalculated badly in Ukraine. Regardless of who you think is winning right now, Putin thought he would take Kiev by March 2022. And to be fair, so did US “intelligence.” Dictators are not generally idiots, but they are usually isolated and struggle to create competent leadership structures under themselves. We need to make sure that he doesn’t make another miscalculation in Poland or Estonia where the results would be even worse for NATO. (By worse for NATO, I don’t mean that things would go well for Putin but that the resulting war would be large and destructive for everyone involved).

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They’ve been talking about joining NATO way before the invasion fucktard! Are they a part of NATO now? No. Does it matter to Russia in light of the goings on? Of course not. Should they have taken the position to wait to see if it became a reality? Maybe YOU could lend your genius to their foreign policy team? They’d either laugh you out of the room or kick the shit out of you for suggesting something so dumb. My wish would be to give you the beating.

So the national debt was about 3 trillion when Clinton was President, now it’s over 11 times that and I’m still waiting for the sky to fall. But it won’t because that IS NOT the way the world works on the Federal level.

Man, we can give all those billions away but can’t even take care of the vets. I read, years ago, it would’ve taken about 20 billion to end homelessness for everyone. Let’s say it’s 30 billion now. Goes to show what they really care about and it ain’t the vets.

Another thing they don’t care about. It’s all about money, money, money!

So if Ukraine was granted NATO status, as it was trying to do, he shouldn’t see that as a threat?

None of what you wrote matters or even makes any sense.

Try to include rhe subject in a sentence,like “Ukraine was trying to…” or “Russia wants to…”

Otherwise its just more of your Incoherent Gibberish ™.

California spent $24 billion to tackle homelessness over the past five years but didn’t consistently track whether the huge outlay of public money actually improved the situation,
But Salt Lake City did and found the housing-first program to be more effective and inexpensive.

But don’t be surprised to find people who say the exact opposite. These are people, most likely, making money off the old homeless protocols. It’s truly sick that people will consciously require others to suffer so they can live a better life. Think pharma.

Man are you really this stupid? Do I need to hold you by the hand, like a toddler? Russia felt threatened by the prospect of a NATO country on their border. Plus, the Russian speaking people in the Donbas were being shelled by the government set up by the coup the U.S. precipitated.

That is a very selectively edited quote from my post. I literally said that Putin did not see a threat. Putin was responding to an opportunity, not a threat.

And no, Putin, should not see Ukraine joining NATO as a threat. Moreover, he didn’t. At least not a military threat. No external power is seriously considering a land invasion of the Russian Federation and no one has since Hitler died. Putin knows this if he is not completely deranged. What Ukraine joining NATO would do is prevent Putin from capriciously looting his neighbors as he has heretofore done. It also creates internal challenges by showing that the kleptocracy he has created is not good for the Russian people at large.

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I doubt I’m on the same side, if that takes into account reasons for being so.

I don’t question my stance on government involvement in the economy when I see people that agree with me on some or most economic issues are supportive of the U.S. being the world’s policeman, so why would I do the opposite?

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Whoa, chill Flash Boredom. You just found out an entire 1 thing after 53 years.
Don’t let it go to your head. :rofl:

So you really don’t see the irony of a country (Russia) that has an entire union of neighboring countries in a cooperative pact (NATO) to halt its agression- invading/attacking a country that tried to join in that pact?

:man_facepalming:

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This is more akin to fixing the pipes of another house a few states away and letting your pipes still leak, but I see what you are saying.

Uhhhh you can stop buying them and re-direct that money elsewhere. And we are also sending cash.

I am not sure what we are doing now is going to avoid this either. I don’t claim to be a military or foreign policy expert, so time will tell.

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So I guess JFK was wrong during the Cuban missile crisis?

So if Ukraine isn’t planning a land invasion then why should Putin worry?

Present a direct threat seeing that it borders Russia, far easier to launch missiles, have them be more accurate with the all of the American military bases in the vicinity. This is clearly a direct threat. Would the U.S. stand for something similar?

And why was is that country embroiled in a conflict with Russia? Try and think beyond the propaganda on this one.