To nip this ‘in the bud’, let it be known that:
- 6% of Georgians are Russians.
- The 2008 conflict was about the independence of South Ossetia.
- Ethnical Georgians represent a minority in South Ossetia.
- Georgia is on Russia’s border.
[quote]lixy wrote:
- The 2008 conflict was about the independence of South Ossetia.[/quote]
I thought it was about control of the oil pipline in South Ossetia.
It’s funny that you are all cool with the USA playing war games in south Korea but when Russia comes to your door step you get a little worried.
Nothing will happen Russia and these small countries will not attack you they will stop giving you oil for 10 or so years then they will attack you if there were to do so.
The countries around the USA don’t need you any more they are all starting to realize that now and countries like Russia and China are stepping in to become the big brother. The USA is going to have a major transformation of the next few years they will either take the tough go approach and do something dumb or they will sit back and go back to the way things were pre world war two.
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
lixy wrote:
- The 2008 conflict was about the independence of South Ossetia.
I thought it was about control of the oil pipline in South Ossetia.[/quote]
It a bit of both Russia wants south ossetia for itselt it pretty much has it now. Most of the people that have been handed Russian passports.
They just wanted to make a example out of Georgia and they did it extremely well.
[quote]jzzz wrote:
passports.
They just wanted to make a example out of Georgia and they did it extremely well.[/quote]
Was easy to pick on a weak, small country.
[quote]lixy wrote:
To nip this ‘in the bud’, let it be known that:
- 6% of Georgians are Russians.
- The 2008 conflict was about the independence of South Ossetia.
- Ethnical Georgians represent a minority in South Ossetia.
- Georgia is on Russia’s border.[/quote]
Why are Russians are allowed to look out for their interests and we are not?
Independence of South Ossetia? If the US backed a rebel group in South America you’d be the first one to bitch. Maybe the Russians should mind their own business as far as what goes on in the country of Georgia.
And last time I looked Cuba and Venezeula are NOT on Russia’s border either.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
jzzz wrote:
passports.
They just wanted to make a example out of Georgia and they did it extremely well.
Was easy to pick on a weak, small country.
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Yes but it was a important move on there behalf since they were thinking about selling oil to the usa which Russia wanted stoped because of the entire my dick thing happening
Well, there’s oil in Venezuela…how can you blame us for being concerned about the Russian encroachment there?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Well, there’s oil in Venezuela…how can you blame us for being concerned about the Russian encroachment there?[/quote]
Why on earth should we be concerned what happens in Venezuela? How does it affect us in any meaningful way? No one has yet given an answer to that.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Well, there’s oil in Venezuela…how can you blame us for being concerned about the Russian encroachment there?
Why on earth should we be concerned what happens in Venezuela? How does it affect us in any meaningful way? No one has yet given an answer to that.[/quote]
They sell oil to the untied states and the united states was its major buyer until recently when Russia steped in.
Thats the USA’s major concern, they dont really care that the war games are taking place. It just gives them a chance to watch the tactics and so on.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Well, there’s oil in Venezuela…how can you blame us for being concerned about the Russian encroachment there?
Why on earth should we be concerned what happens in Venezuela? How does it affect us in any meaningful way? No one has yet given an answer to that.[/quote]
The oil lobby in Washington is making sure oil is subsidized with taxes and blood.
[quote]lixy wrote:
The oil lobby in Washington is making sure oil is subsidized with taxes and blood.[/quote]
Oh please…
Personally, I am none too concerned with Russian Tu95s or Tu160s in Venezuela or Cuba. The whole “my God! They’re 90 miles from our coast!” Doesn’t. Mean. Shit. As someone stated earlier- and it is a good analogy- as long as the matches and bottlerockets stay home…
Every time one of those aircraft even warms up its engines our MASINT, ELINT, IMINT and ‘other’ collection assets have picked up on them.
In my opinion, what would be much more worrisome to us is if their navy started to put some of their nuclear boats back in the water.
I would also submit the much publicized buildup of Russian military forces is not entirely unexpected. They see themselves as isolated by potential adversaries, their equipment is outdated and their army relatively inexperienced. They watched very closely in 1991, and again in 2003 how the (primarily) Russian-equipped Iraqi army performed against the Coalition, and it did not bolster confidence. Now, of course the men behind the trigger had much to do with this- but Russian ‘systems’ are generally inaccurate, slower, and have less range than those made in the west. Of course there are exceptions.
Put the shoe on the other foot; what would you do if you were the Russians? Gotta stay relevant and in the game, so to speak.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
It is usually better to nip things ‘in the bud’.
“We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower
No need to bankrupt ourselves; just have Chavez and Castro assume room temperature.
Look, deep down, I know you’re a reasonable person. So I’ll ask you: Do you think Cuba or Venezuela present a real threat to the sovereignty of the USA? If so, please detail the scenario.[/quote]
Sorry I didn’t respond earlier. I was getting outfitted for a little ‘trip down south’. 
Anyway, in this day and age, a few maniacs with box cutters can destroy the lives of 3000 people. What could hostile nations just a few miles away perpetrate? I don’t know and don’t want to find out.
I agree HH.
Right now we got drug cartels from Mexico kidnapping people in Pheonix.
[quote]lixy wrote:
The oil lobby in Washington is making sure oil is subsidized with taxes and blood.[/quote]
and Jihadis are funded with charity.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
It is usually better to nip things ‘in the bud’.
“We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower
No need to bankrupt ourselves; just have Chavez and Castro assume room temperature.
Look, deep down, I know you’re a reasonable person. So I’ll ask you: Do you think Cuba or Venezuela present a real threat to the sovereignty of the USA? If so, please detail the scenario.
Sorry I didn’t respond earlier. I was getting outfitted for a little ‘trip down south’.
Anyway, in this day and age, a few maniacs with box cutters can destroy the lives of 3000 people. [/quote]
I know of “a few maniacs” with red buttons who can destroy the lives of a lot more people.
Well, you don’t know. The people on the other side, know exactly what the hostile nation just a few miles away can perpetrate. Either because they experienced it firsthand, or they witnessed the US obliterate or meddle with yet another country.
Security always comes at a premium. And it’s often at the expense of freedom. And when you start coming up with far-fetched scenarios (Venezuela attacking the US) to feed and justify your paranoia, you know you’ve gone too far.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
I agree HH.
Right now we got drug cartels from Mexico kidnapping people in Pheonix.
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Yes. I think northern Mexico will be our next war zone. Afghanistan couldn’t be re-worked (like Iraq) so ditch it and go into Mexico, with the partnership of the Federal gov’t there, and clean all that out.
And Lixy, I’m not advocating invading those countries, just a regime change.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
It is usually better to nip things ‘in the bud’.
“We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower
No need to bankrupt ourselves; just have Chavez and Castro assume room temperature.
Look, deep down, I know you’re a reasonable person. So I’ll ask you: Do you think Cuba or Venezuela present a real threat to the sovereignty of the USA? If so, please detail the scenario.
Sorry I didn’t respond earlier. I was getting outfitted for a little ‘trip down south’.
Anyway, in this day and age, a few maniacs with box cutters can destroy the lives of 3000 people.
I know of “a few maniacs” with red buttons who can destroy the lives of a lot more people.
What could hostile nations just a few miles away perpetrate? I don’t know and don’t want to find out
Well, you don’t know. The people on the other side, know exactly what the hostile nation just a few miles away can perpetrate. Either because they experienced it firsthand, or they witnessed the US obliterate or meddle with yet another country.
Security always comes at a premium. And it’s often at the expense of freedom. And when you start coming up with far-fetched scenarios (Venezuela attacking the US) to feed and justify your paranoia, you know you’ve gone too far.[/quote]
If I lived a short distance away from someone who could crush me like a flea, I wouldn’t confiscate his assets that he developed on my property and with my co-operation. I wouldn’t go on a public forum, like the UN, and call one of their leaders ‘El Diablo’. One doesn’t know the extent and length of the benevolence and patience of the target.
[quote]lixy wrote:
I know of “a few maniacs” with red buttons who can destroy the lives of a lot more people.
[/quote]
Yeah, those Russians are picks.