Yes, I was just running with it.
This is a serious problem for us and I suspect the Russians are posturing as a response the the missile defense system in East Europe. In both cases I expect obama to roll over and pea himself. He doesn’t know what the fuck he is doing.
I’d have a and aerial blockade waiting for them ala Cuban missile crisis.
You can see how well obama’s good will message was received in russia…They’re like, “Cool, this guy is weak we can do what we want!” And they are right.
Who’s “Overcharging” now, huh? huh?
Watch out Putin’s got a boner. Planting big weapons in our back yard with our enemies is a bad thing.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Stupid thread. Honestly, a country whose stock market was just wiped out (far worse than ours) and is in a demographic death spiral sends militarily irrelevant weapons to a tinpot Third World leader who poses no threat to us. This matters why?
Daniel Larison rebuts the stupid “Obama is weak!” theme:
http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/03/14/just-imagine-3/[/quote]
You think Castro and Chavez are no threat? Are you fucking serious?
Come on, you can have a bonafide bromance with obama if you want, but if the Russians do this, it is a very bad thing. It empowers some very bad people with very bad intentions.
It would be excessively stupid to ignore this, this shit ain’t no game.
[quote]pat wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Stupid thread. Honestly, a country whose stock market was just wiped out (far worse than ours) and is in a demographic death spiral sends militarily irrelevant weapons to a tinpot Third World leader who poses no threat to us. This matters why?
Daniel Larison rebuts the stupid “Obama is weak!” theme:
http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/03/14/just-imagine-3/
You think Castro and Chavez are no threat? Are you fucking serious?
Come on, you can have a bonafide bromance with obama if you want, but if the Russians do this, it is a very bad thing. It empowers some very bad people with very bad intentions.
It would be excessively stupid to ignore this, this shit ain’t no game.[/quote]
Actually, it is a game. That’s exactly what it is. It’s pointless saber rattling that actually would make Russian weapons MORE vulnerable to our forces, although it would never even come to that. Given past experience I know this is going to be too hard for you, but you can Google Benjamin Schwarz + The Atlantic (it’s a magazine) and find a brief column he did a year or two back about how the U.S. nuclear deterrent is now so powerful versus any potential adversary that winning a nuclear war may now be possible.
And you think Castro and Chavez are a threat? To us?! Are you out of your mind? Chavez can’t even credibly threaten Colombia, but he’s a threat to the only superpower? Do you know how idiotic that sounds?
And Cuba? Wow. Our Cuba policy is maybe the dumbest part of our foreign policy, and that’s saying something.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
pat wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
Stupid thread. Honestly, a country whose stock market was just wiped out (far worse than ours) and is in a demographic death spiral sends militarily irrelevant weapons to a tinpot Third World leader who poses no threat to us. This matters why?
Daniel Larison rebuts the stupid “Obama is weak!” theme:
http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/03/14/just-imagine-3/
You think Castro and Chavez are no threat? Are you fucking serious?
Come on, you can have a bonafide bromance with obama if you want, but if the Russians do this, it is a very bad thing. It empowers some very bad people with very bad intentions.
It would be excessively stupid to ignore this, this shit ain’t no game.
Actually, it is a game. That’s exactly what it is. It’s pointless saber rattling that actually would make Russian weapons MORE vulnerable to our forces, although it would never even come to that. Given past experience I know this is going to be too hard for you, but you can Google Benjamin Schwarz + The Atlantic (it’s a magazine) and find a brief column he did a year or two back about how the U.S. nuclear deterrent is now so powerful versus any potential adversary that winning a nuclear war may now be possible.
And you think Castro and Chavez are a threat? To us?! Are you out of your mind? Chavez can’t even credibly threaten Colombia, but he’s a threat to the only superpower? Do you know how idiotic that sounds?
And Cuba? Wow. Our Cuba policy is maybe the dumbest part of our foreign policy, and that’s saying something.[/quote]
You may want to get out of your moveon.org phase…Yes of course they are threats…Seriously, are you educated? Do you know nothing about history, or these regions, governments and who they are allied with?
Looks more like posturing in reaction to our ships patrolling around Georgia and/or the new missile system in Czech and Poland.
its a poor choice to keep those bombers there militarily. Long range bombers within a short range strike distance?
long range strategic bombers are strategic becuase of the fact that you can keep them in your own country and hit any other country on the planet(Russia to US in this case). Stationing them outside of your own country defeats the purpose. The bomber has a 10k mile range…
they’ve been doing scarier things with this bomber over the arctic than they will ever do in Cuba or Venezuela, claiming to flying through our airspace undetected ect.
but there’s definitely concern. Chavez has a hard on for a cold war era soviet union,especially if Russia takes him on his offer of an airdrome.
nothing wrong with playing airplanes with the crazy kid on the block, but once you start leaving your matches and bottle rockets at his house…
[quote]pat wrote:
You may want to get out of your moveon.org phase…Yes of course they are threats…Seriously, are you educated? Do you know nothing about history, or these regions, governments and who they are allied with?
[/quote]
One of the major factors that pissed Venezuela off at us is that we stopped selling them parts for their F-18s. That is what put them so closely in bed with the Russians. They have a fleet of broken down, second class F-18s (meaning without the good shit inside) and no navy to speak of. What is there to be afraid of? It is much more likely that we find ourselves fighting a Columbian paramilitary drug war, than ever giving Venezuela the strategic time of day.
Venezuela’s only threat to us, is the we are shipping our money there by the freighter.
[quote]borrek wrote:
pat wrote:
You may want to get out of your moveon.org phase…Yes of course they are threats…Seriously, are you educated? Do you know nothing about history, or these regions, governments and who they are allied with?
One of the major factors that pissed Venezuela off at us is that we stopped selling them parts for their F-18s. That is what put them so closely in bed with the Russians. They have a fleet of broken down, second class F-18s (meaning without the good shit inside) and no navy to speak of. What is there to be afraid of? It is much more likely that we find ourselves fighting a Columbian paramilitary drug war, than ever giving Venezuela the strategic time of day.
Venezuela’s only threat to us, is the we are shipping our money there by the freighter.
[/quote]
It is usually better to nip things ‘in the bud’. We do not want a version of North Korea so close.
Russia announces “rearmament plan”. Looks like the Russians are so happy with Obama as president, that they have to beef up their military.
[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
Looks more like posturing in reaction to our ships patrolling around Georgia and/or the new missile system in Czech and Poland.
its a poor choice to keep those bombers there militarily. Long range bombers within a short range strike distance?
long range strategic bombers are strategic becuase of the fact that you can keep them in your own country and hit any other country on the planet(Russia to US in this case). Stationing them outside of your own country defeats the purpose. The bomber has a 10k mile range…
they’ve been doing scarier things with this bomber over the arctic than they will ever do in Cuba or Venezuela, claiming to flying through our airspace undetected ect.
but there’s definitely concern. Chavez has a hard on for a cold war era soviet union,especially if Russia takes him on his offer of an airdrome.
nothing wrong with playing airplanes with the crazy kid on the block, but once you start leaving your matches and bottle rockets at his house…[/quote]
It’s absolutely a bargaining chip. My prediction is this, obama will cave both on the missle defense system and the bombers. So they will have these bombers and no missle defense system for eastern Europe.
[quote]borrek wrote:
pat wrote:
You may want to get out of your moveon.org phase…Yes of course they are threats…Seriously, are you educated? Do you know nothing about history, or these regions, governments and who they are allied with?
One of the major factors that pissed Venezuela off at us is that we stopped selling them parts for their F-18s. That is what put them so closely in bed with the Russians. They have a fleet of broken down, second class F-18s (meaning without the good shit inside) and no navy to speak of. What is there to be afraid of? It is much more likely that we find ourselves fighting a Columbian paramilitary drug war, than ever giving Venezuela the strategic time of day.
Venezuela’s only threat to us, is the we are shipping our money there by the freighter.
[/quote]
Chavez was buddy-ing up with Castro and the Chinese before we stopped shipping them parts. He declared himself our enemy, naturally you don’t sell weapons or spare parts to someone who hates your guts. It’s just not smart.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
It is usually better to nip things ‘in the bud’. [/quote]
“We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower
[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
It is usually better to nip things ‘in the bud’.
“We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower[/quote]
No need to bankrupt ourselves; just have Chavez and Castro assume room temperature.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
It is usually better to nip things ‘in the bud’.
“We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower
No need to bankrupt ourselves; just have Chavez and Castro assume room temperature. [/quote]
Look, deep down, I know you’re a reasonable person. So I’ll ask you: Do you think Cuba or Venezuela present a real threat to the sovereignty of the USA? If so, please detail the scenario.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Look, deep down, I know you’re a reasonable person. [/quote]
LOL, thanks for my morning laugh, no disrespect intended for you HH, it reads just right.
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
Russia announces “rearmament plan”. Looks like the Russians are so happy with Obama as president, that they have to beef up their military.
BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia announces rearmament plan [/quote]
or ya know sorta like how the article you linked says
they were emberassed after the Georgia war.
or theyre forseeing a need for a better army, US has already put some chips down in a middle east oil state. Perhaps theyre looking for place of thier own in the region.
they could invade Iran and have a go ahead from the world pretty much.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
lixy wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
It is usually better to nip things ‘in the bud’.
“We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower
No need to bankrupt ourselves; just have Chavez and Castro assume room temperature.
Look, deep down, I know you’re a reasonable person. So I’ll ask you: Do you think Cuba or Venezuela present a real threat to the sovereignty of the USA? If so, please detail the scenario.[/quote]
cuba is like the dying old man on his porch with a shotgun and a jug of whiskey, no need to bother him, he’ll be gone soon and then you can just take his house.
chavez on the other hand might be crazy enough to try somthing.
[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
chavez on the other hand might be crazy enough to try somthing.[/quote]
What’s he gonna do? Fart on you? Call you names?
[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
skaz05 wrote:
Russia announces “rearmament plan”. Looks like the Russians are so happy with Obama as president, that they have to beef up their military.
or ya know sorta like how the article you linked says
they were emberassed after the Georgia war.
[/quote]
Someone asked if Cuba and Venezuela are a threat to us.
Obviously the Ruskies thought little Georgia was a threat and Russia’s got a shit load more territory than we do.