Russia Won't Go Away

[H_factor]

You bet an non post for a year with a guy who multi accounts? Cmon Tyler even if you win he isn’t stopping

[zeb1]

@thunderbolt23

No, you said the memo needed corroboration:

Are you just playing dumb?

I said the memo can stand on it’s own. Ready? But for a prosecution to take place there needs to be corroboration.

[zeb1]

H_factor are you just mad because every time you floated one of your left wing loony ideas I shot it down?

Sniff sniff…now you’ve come back for a little revenge?

Awe…that’s cute.

Good for you.

[zeb1]

@Tyler23

LOL…yeah with Zeb on whether Trump will finish out his first term. I’ll leave it to you to figure out which position I took.

You took the losing position I am very sorry to say. Because other than being a lefty you are a good poster and I suspect a nice guy. And I will be sorry to see you go.

[therajraj]

First term is too far, why not make it by 2018 midterms?

[zeb1]

@H_factor

I must be remembering much of those conversations wrong. I suppose I could easily look them up and count the people who agreed with my logic versus yours.[/quote]

Yes, you’ve talked about looking them up by all means look them up. If a lefty agreed with you fine. Did it ever occur to you (and others) that most everyone is partisan? You are on the left. I am on the right. We disagree…and you don’t like it WOW SHOCKER!!

Of course logic never really mattered to you

Please go back and find a debate that happened between you and I where logic didn’t mean anything. Otherwise you are just someone whining about another persons political stance as it disagrees with your own. Simple right?

Best of luck as you continue to deflect and defend Trump no matter what.

I have said on many occasions that Trump is a loud mouth and over the top obnoxious. But, people like you and other lefty’s want him impeached. You want him to fail regardless of what he says or does. You just can’t get over the fact that he beat your precious Hillary.

In short I want PROOF that he did something illegal. Why is that asking so much? I don’t want unnamed sources from newspapers owned by people who have berated him personally. I simply want PROOF. If and when that proof comes I will no longer defend him. If he is actually guilty of a felony…boot him out…impeach him. Then we will have President Mike Pence…I can live with that. You see you guys on the left hate Trump so much you are forgetting that if he does leave office for whatever reason someone far more conservative takes over. So…I can live with that. But it’s not going to happen.

[quote]You’d be spewing with rage if this was Obama or Hilary but the guy has an R and not a D. Principles sort of get in the way when you worship a party, good thing you got rid of those.

And you would be silent if it were Obama or Hillary. Does that mean you have no principals?

We are both partisan. Get over it and for God sakes get over yourself.

[zeb1]

@therajraj

First term is too far, why not make it by 2018 midterms?

Yeah, I thought of that too. But I might just as well give Tyler the full four years. I actually don’t want him to leave anyway…Bets are fun and makes the debate more exciting.

[zeb1]

Okay…now my wife is giving me a nasty look I’m late. Gotta go guys talk to you all tomorrow, or the next day or the day after. As I said before, it matters not whether I am gone for 8 hours or for days nothing changes…Ha.

Anti-Trumpers: cutting and pasting articles that are negative to Trump. Claiming Trump did various illegal things based on hearsay and unnamed sources.

Pro Trumpers: “please produce proof of these allegations.”

Anti-Trumpers “you only like him because he’s a republican”

Pro-Trumpers “How many times did you complain when Obama or Hillary did things wrong?”

Yada…yada…yada…

It will be the same tomorrow and for many, many days to come.

[Tyler23]

On that note…

Flynn, Manafort are key figures in Russia probe Mueller will lead

Officials say multiple grand jury subpoenas and records requests have been issued in connection with the two men during the past six months in the ongoing probe into whether the Trump campaign colluded with Russian attempts to influence the election, an inquiry that will now be overseen by former FBI Director Robert Mueller.

The FBI, with the help of the Treasury Department, the CIA and other agencies, is examining evidence of possible contacts, money transfers and business relationships between a variety of Trump associates and Russian officials, the sources say. The investigation goes well beyond Flynn, Manafort and a possible American connection, to include how Russian intelligence services carried out the campaign of fake news and leaking hacked emails that intelligence officials say was meant to hurt Hillary Clinton and benefit Donald Trump.

No public evidence has surfaced linking Flynn and Manafort to the Russian interference effort. The investigation has also delved into other aspects of their business and real estate transactions.

(Yes Raj, I see where it says “No public evidence has surfaced…”)

[ActivitiesGuy]

@zeb1

for God sakes get over yourself.

I think you could take some advice from…

@Mick28

And I’m really going to go out on a limb here and address my old friend Zeb. First of all how did you turn into Zeb1? Is there now a Zeb2? This place has changed in so many ways. The new format is nice though.

Anyway, as I said to usmccds423 I had the time and went back over some of the old posts and I have to say that you never used to post in that fashion. Now please take this the right way. I say this out of love for this site. And also the friendship that you and I have had through the years. When I stopped posting a while back I remember your posts as being insightful, intelligent and you rarely personally attacked anyone. Oh there was the occasional attack we are all human. But this great chasm that has opened up between you and usmccds need not have happened. And a good deal of the responsibility falls on you as well.

[H_factor]

Lol. Go through the forum. Not all posters but a great many change their opinion based on what is shared, what they read, etc.

The issue Zeb is that no matter how much you want to believe it everyone is not like you. Many people are, but a lot of people who have posted on PWI are willing to change positions, willing to say this is not ok no matter who it is. Willing to think something is a bad idea no matter which party does it. Or a good idea.

I have all sorts of posts criticizing the left and criticizing the right. You don’t. You will fellate the Republican Party no matter what they do. If the democrats do the exact same thing you berate them. This is clear and obvious through your history and everyone knows it. The different is you think everyone that posts is the exact same as you.

They aren’t. But I don’t want you to take your eye off the ball. You have a republican president who needs defending just like you did with bush. And a good soldier like you will do it no matter what they do.

So rest up soldier. You had a lot of tough things to defend, apologize, and deflect for with Trump already. You had a lot of outrage for anytime Obama opened his eyes. Trump will keep you busy.

[Tyler23]

Trump Team Knew Flynn Was Under Investigation Before He Came to White House...

[thehebrewhero]

Unless its a online casino…id link you guys to places you could bet on political futures but mods would delete my free speach…kinda like Trumps boss Vlady…but anyhow its -140 he finishs +250 he gets 2nd term last i checked…also vegas odds say walls not happening fyi… However google political futures online casino and if your smart you put your money where your mouth is. If you got actual balls post your tickets as avatar…lets see whos really a believer…i dont think the trumpers got the stones…all talk like their orange leader

[zeb1]

@H_factor

Lol. Go through the forum. Not all posters but a great many change their opinion based on what is shared, what they read, etc. [/quote]

A great many? Post them. Let me give you a news flash very few change their opinion based on message board debates. A few yes for certain but only a few. Also, how many times have you changed your position on an issue from liberal to conservative? Uh huh.

The issue Zeb is that no matter how much you want to believe it everyone is not like you. Many people are

Let me get this straight, not everyone is like me. Okay that makes sense we are all individuals so yes I agree not everyone is like me. Yet, according to you “many people are like me.” So, apparently while most people are individuals there are many who are like me. Okay…well thanks for that (eye roll).

but a lot of people who have posted on PWI are willing to change positions,

If “a lot” of people are willing to change positions it should be easy for you to repost a nice long list of those who have actually changed positions on an important topic. So please show me that nice long list as I disagree. “A lot” of people do not spend time on a political thread and end up changing their minds. Again, if I am wrong it will be easy for you to reach back and repost all of the many that have changed their minds. I think we both know that is simply not the case.

My point (which has flown past your left wing head) is that if you sign on to T Nation as a liberal you are not going to suddenly become a conservative, and vice versa. Again, how upset were you at Hillary when she was being investigated for various things? Were you on here posting every day about how baaaaad she is? Nope. Why not? Because you are a partisan lefty. This isn’t rocket science H.

[quote]I have all sorts of posts criticizing the left and criticizing the right.[quote]

Thank you for the laugh. You may have "all sorts of posts criticizing the right…but you don’t have “all sorts of posts criticizing the left”. What is the ratio 10 to 1, possibly 20 or 30 to 1? And that’s okay. Whoever said that you had to be “fair and balanced”? Whoever started the lunacy that we all had to fall in the middle? You don’t and I don’t and other than a very, very few most don’t.

This is where we go to espouse our political beliefs. By the way if you were paying attention over the past month and again very recently I criticized two past republican Presidents. One for raising taxes when he said he wouldn’t and the other for being a poor communicator. And since you are the detective of old posts they should be easy for you to find. Do you want to find them or are you just here because you and I disagree politically and this seemed like an opportune time to reach out for me…uh huh.

You will fellate the Republican Party no matter what they do. If the democrats do the exact same thing you berate them. This is clear and obvious through your history and everyone knows it. The different is you think everyone that posts is the exact same as you.

That is a very interesting theory why don’t you post where I criticized a democrat and then a republican did “the exact same thing” and I remained quiet. Yes, and since I do it all the time according to you there must be a nice long list. So post it. Exact same thing? Really?

Seriously…

…I am a partisan conservative. Did I ever deny that? Unlike you who tries to pass himself off as some sort of middle of the road fair and balanced poster. By the way have I mentioned that this is not you? You are as left as I am right. Embrace that fact don’t run from it you look foolish doing that. I remember that you are partisan it wasn’t that long ago that you were posting regularly. And I might add you were a good mouthpiece for the left. I enjoyed your posts. I disagreed with them but you had a style I like reading.

You have a republican president who needs defending just like you did with bush.

And just like you defended Obama…why is this somehow news to anyone? Yawn…

In reality I bet I’ve criticized Trump more times than you have Obama. And we had 8 years of that guy. Now go back and check. Repost all the times you criticized Obama as opposed to all of the times you carried water for him. You are going to find that…GASP you are partisan. Ha …but you already know that.

[quote]You had a lot of tough things to defend, apologize, and deflect for with Trump already. You had a lot of outrage for anytime Obama opened his eyes. Trump will keep you busy.

Here’s what I would like to see from the left (meaning you) proof that Trump threatened Comey and proof that Trump is in cahoots with the Russians. Is that asking so much? And isn’t that what you demanded when Hillary was being investigated? Yes…I believe it was. Oops…you forgot that huh?

Let me give you an example. When Eric Holder was found to be running guns to Mexico in the now famous fast and furious scandal I was upset by it. There was no denial that he was doing it and in fact there was an admission if my memory serves. Now…how upset were you about that. Go back and repost the many times you berated such activity because I don’t recall (maybe I don’t remember) a peep from you. Repost it please. I want to read your outrage that such a thing occurred. You were outraged right?

It seems that when the left fails you are silent, or at best you weakly protest. But when the right fails you are all over it with multiple posts.

Seems to me that you are partisan…And you know what H that’s okay. That is actually what political debate is all about. If not there would be no debate.

[Despade]

I present myself as Exhibit A of having changed my mind due in no small part to the influence of posters on this site, from yourself as well as left leaning individuals. I have been presented with both compelling and not so compelling arguments and have had my position change on several ideas and have either softened or changed stances. Simply case 1 of 1.

[zeb1]

@Despade

I present myself as Exhibit A of having changed my mind due in no small part to the influence of posters on this site, from yourself

Very good Despade you have shown yourself to be an open minded intelligent human being. Now tell me, if you don’t mind, how old are you?

Thanks and I appreciate your post.

[Despade]

I’m the ripe old age of 27 years old.

[anon50325502]

[Despade]

Almost 28…is that better?

[Tyler23]

(Had to recapture to get his spelling correction in there).