For the longest time I thought Dbossa was Jay Campbell (who’s videos are also amazing).
You thought I was Jay Campbell? Ha! We hardly look alike… Don’t sound alike at all… What was the resemblance for you?
Oh wait… You mean me in here… You thought I was Jay Campbell posting with a screen name of dbossa?
Yeah in here. My name isn’t Dexter Morgan lol. At the time I didn’t know about your podcasts and the way you posted resembled how Jay talks. I loved his podcasts but haven’t listened in a while.
You aren’t missing much… He’s gone off the deep end… Not getting too many views anymore… Just Google ‘Jay Campbell Twitter’ and then puruse through his Twitter feed. I just can’t take any of that stuff seriously.
Same. I honestly thought his Twitter had been hacked when he first started posting some of the crazy energy stealing 5th dimensional alien crazy shit. Apparently, not so much. Haven’t watched his videos since.
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I went over there when you mentioned him last year. I swear for a minute I thought my monitor was broken and just displaying random characters.
To be fair I may have merely disrupted my sixth energy of transgalactic astrohealing.
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Middle of Week 2 of lowering my dose from 56mg to 36mg…
Mood has been up and down. I have honestly been rather malaised for nearly 3 weeks. If you look at my post from 25 days ago, I was feeling amazing on my previous dose but for some reason when I achieved steady state, it was just too much T. I know what life is like and what my body feels like when my T levels are correct, and that ain’t it, bro.
It wasn’t that I wasn’t feeling good or I was getting impatient, there were actual physical symptoms manifesting that clued me in that something was fucked. Dexter’s advice in another thread a few weeks ago about doing this methodically is very good. A few months back, when I realized 80mg was too much (10 weeks of 80mg per week x2 basically put me back at Low T symptoms) and 32mg was great for me, but might just be too little, my choice was to jump right back down to 32mg and roll with it, or split the difference and be a bit scientific about it. So I decided to meet it halfway and go to 56mg.
Made it 9 weeks on that… and… still too much. Fuck.
There was also the total disbelief that 32mg (apparently delivered to me by extremely wasteful syringes) could ever be remotely “enough” for me, but it’s looking more and more like that’s the case. So down to 36mg I go, and I will hopefully get back to where I was when I was 15 weeks into this log and thought I was ending the darn thing.
Anyway, as far as dose change symptoms, I am still malaised. Like I don’t feel like doing shit. And it’s getting to me. I’m not quite depressed but I’m getting there. I did NOT suffer from any kind of depression for years until I hit Low T and even that mostly manifested as anxiety (as well as a numb nonexistent wiener). The only depression I get is during dose changes, so here I am. Ugh.
My anxiety is up and down. This is something I don’t suffer from at all when my T dose is right. That’s annoying me too because my anxiety has generally been up for no other reason than T since probably mid-November.
My concentration, oddly enough, is still good. Memory hasn’t bugged out on me, and my math head is still working.
Libido has exited stage left. I get morning wood, overnight wood, I’m talking big wood… but the rest of the day he’s there but not there. A pretty woman may as well be a pile of rocks right now. Same internal reaction. Which is annoying but I’m pretty certain will pass.
Tomorrow begins Week 3 of my switch from 56mg to 36mg.
This will be a quick one. I am so tired and woozy today. Almost feel drunk. That said, so far the change has mostly been to my physical well being and my mood. Mood has gone to shit pretty much although at the moment I seem to be alternating days of feeling better and worse. I am definitely tired. I woke up after about 7 hours of sleep (fairly typical) and within a couple hours I went back to sleep for 2 more.
I woke up in the middle of the night in an utter panic with my heart rate going crazy. No apparent reason. This is typical of every single dose switch for me and it usually happens around now. Doesn’t seem to be shit I can do about it since it literally happens while I’m asleep.
Libido is still basically non-existent, and not much wood to speak of anywhere, morning or otherwise.
None of this is concerning me since it’s fairly typical at this point in any change I’ve made. I’m looking at maybe 2.5 more weeks of crap before I start feeling consistently good. I hope.
(So I just went all the way back in this log to when I was at the beginning of Week 3 [a similar drop in dose although I didn’t know it at the time] and found this - “Mood was eh, energy was ok, and I felt a bit drugged up to be honest.” How weird is that? Today I said I’m “tired and woozy, almost feel drunk” and back then it was “drugged up”. Neither of these things make an appearance in this log at any other time. This is why it’s somewhat useful to keep notes. Reassures me I’m likely on the right track.)
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Hi! Updating again since I’m early in yet another dose change. This one is going from 56mg per week to 36mg per week. Sounds ridiculously low I know, but I am sensitive as hell to T and was already around this dose once with huge success.
I’m pretty tired of this shit, so the same way some people will do a “loading” dose when they start TRT, I decided to try doing the reverse - without actually skipping any shots. I have a handy half-life calculator I made in Excel (based on the reported halflife of cyp) and I set it up so I can quickly calculate “levels” based on any protocol. It’s nothing fancy but I do have some kickass colors in it.
So I plugged in 36mg per week (2 shots of 18mg) and I figured out what those totals would look like at 6 weeks once a steady state was reached. Based on that, I tried to get myself closer to those final numbers quicker by injecting less for several shots in a row. I’m working with small amounts but now that I know exactly how much I’m injecting, I can be pretty precise with it.
So I figured out that based on what was already in my system - if I did the following for the first five shots… 14mg, 14mg, 16mg, 16mg, 16mg… and then 18mg the rest of the way, I would get close to the final numbers by the fifth shot (beginning of Week 3, ie now).
Based on where I am now, experientially it is very similar at the end of 2 weeks, to where I was at the end of 5 weeks the last time I was around this dose. The major difference is libido, which is seriously lagging right now, but that’s usually the last thing anyway.
I have had several great days in a row, with today being the best of all. Expecting a bit of a rocky road the next couple weeks but it is possible (but not yet confirmed) that I cut 3 weeks of crap out of my dose change. That would be awesome because like I said I’m kind of tired of this shit. Time will tell whether I get the depression, confusion, memory issues etc that I had intermittently between Weeks 2 and 5 last time I was on this dose (though at that time I was coming from a higher dose and 1x shots, so different ballgame altogether). And I’m well aware this may not work. But so far, so good.
Middle of Week 3 Here. Just did my second shot this morning. Overall it’s been an amazing week. Great mood and great energy toward the end here. Woke up early and easily, and was breezy in the last couple mornings which I generally am not.
BUT… my starving hunger has come back. I was hungry most of the week but it was tolerable. Last night though (night before shot, mind you) I ended up incredibly hungry at around 1am. Ate a snack but it didn’t touch it. So I slept hungry all night hoping it would go away.
It didn’t. It hung around all night and into the morning. My heart was racing and balls were sweating when I woke. I did my best to fill up on good stuff this morning but it’s barely touching it. I’m hoping this is a temporary side due to all my crazy fluctuations here in the early weeks. It’s actually painful to live with.
On the other hand, mood is nearly euphoric today, which is usually how I feel when everything is rolling. And the last two nights, MW has been like the offspring of Godzilla and the T-1000, so that’s stirring too.
That’s great you’re feeling better!
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Thanks Dex. Hoping I minimized the roller coaster a bit, but we’ll see. I do feel excellent right now, I appreciate you checking in.
Stop changing dose dude.injust read through your diary.
Here’s what you do. Regardless if it’s an accident or not. You are on a very tiny dose of T. No wonder it’s not consistent. You probably are having 100 or less dht. Estrogen is probably extremely low and who knows
Where free t is. You lower your dose and feel fine then it backfired and you justify it over
And over again until a new change.
I am telling you this because I see you are
Making hell of This and maybe you’ll listen and you will be able to stop wasting your time
On T and carry on with a good life.
Raise your dose to 120 or even 150 and just take daily shots. Do subq or IM who cares.
Don’t think about it for 2 months.
Get labs done and post them here and then tell us how you feel.
Stop going of feel.
I honestly think you are having spikes and your body is not having enough stable levels throughout the week. You are injecting very little twice a week and there’s no way any sane doctor (I know) would suggest this.
Unless your free t is up in the 20s with low
SHbG. I tried to catch labs but didn’t see any listed. Have you gotten any labs?
In the end I would stick to a healthy dose to achieve all the benefits. Not just short term libido and feel good. Long term benefits like healthy heart, blood, bones, brain, skin, and so much lore. I’m sure that if you optimize your dose you optimize your health. Preventative medicine is the goal here.
Libido should be more consistent.
Anxiety occurs with low t. Just ask around .
I know a hand full of guys who were taking very low dose T and they were complaining of
Anxiety. They raised the dose and after a couple months it decreased substantially and
Now they don’t have this overwhelming anxiety.
Long story short: just because you are
On TRT doesn’t mean you don’t have low T.
I hope I’m wrong and am Missing something. But if I’m right, please consider my suggestion.
Hello, I appreciate the feedback and advice. I am aware it is a low dose and a crazy log. Please mind that I was on this dose (actually slightly less) for about 15 total weeks, and at the end of that felt great. Mentally and physically with no anxiety and tons of energy and concentration. As I sit now, even early in a change of dose, I have practically zero anxiety.
Right around 15 weeks into this log, I was practically writing my goodbye to the group, having felt consistently amazing for almost a complete month, thinking I might make a small adjustment here or there but otherwise was completely dialed in. My problem was at the time although I was still getting only four shots out of a 1ml bottle, I did not have a clue how much I was actually injecting (out of very wasteful syringes) so as soon as I switched to better syringes, I unwittingly doubled my dose back to 80 (still four shots per bottle), around where I thought it had been all summer. And thus began my descent.
The only lab I have is that when I was on 80mg 1x a week, after 6 months, my TT was 1200 at peak. I was also on a roller coaster of feeling great for 3-4 days and then like crap for the other 3. I get that TT at peak doesn’t tell the story but from everything I’ve seen reported, that’s a pretty high number for that dose, and is reflected in my experience on lower doses.
Oh… and any time I have shot more than 90mg in a week I have gone through a physical and mental nightmare which slowly gets worse until the T peaks at 41 hours, and then slowly subsides. It’s either been 3 or 4 times. I am completely unwilling to go through that again for any reason.
Bro 1200 is nothing. What’s free T is the value you want to realize. Where is estrogen and dht.
I fluctuate some days I forget to take my second dose and I have zero issues .
You should get free t and the other hormones listed above checked.
What if you have 1200 total and 10 free t?
20 estrogen and 50 dht?
You are in need of a good doctor who can do this for you and not a TRT clinic doctor.
Hi enackers… at the moment I’m not really struggling with Low T symptoms. I started this journey with a TT of 170 and I was miserable in all facets of life. Unexplained depression, irrational anxiety, total malaise with life, and a numb member. These all came on over the course of years as my T was dropping.
Low T symptoms have not been an issue for me other than early in dose changes. In fact, my worst Low T symptoms returned after a decent period on my highest dose and frequency. Upon lowering it, those symptoms resolved themselves completely.
I have done this as scientifically as I can. I’m a baker so I’m used to fiddling with small amounts of chemicals, making messes of things, and subsequently fixing them by making tiny consistent adjustments. On this latest part of my journey, I have mostly been battling side effects, not Low T issues. There is not a question in my mind that I am extremely sensitive to exogenous T.
Obviously I don’t know for sure if my current dose (which I’ve been on before) is the best dose, and I have unfortunately done this thing blind in terms of numbers.
But here I am three weeks in, and I’ve had eight awesome days in a row on all markers (mood, energy, concentration, and even motivation and libido are kicking in) if you don’t count the physical side effects of occasional starving hunger and racing heart. The heart rate thing always happens early in a dose switch for me and I hate it. But it was a constant when I was on my highest dose and frequency. Actually quite scary.
Thank you again for the feedback. Obviously if I find myself still struggling in 6 weeks time, I’m going to have to go to a different doctor who will run all the tests I need and I can try a different route of dialing in via numbers.
Rest assured, if that’s the case, it will all be documented here!
Ok that’s good . In a few weeks go get your free t; dht and estrogen tested. It’s doable without a doc at discountedlabs.com. You can get those labs and show them to us and many of us will be able to guide you better. You have tried this long enough without a guide. Save yourself precious time and Get er did:)
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Checking in again with an update. This is the beginning of Week 4 of my dose drop from 56mg to 36mg.
So I’ve had my tenth good day in a row. I feel great… way better than I have any right to at the end of Week 3 of a 30% drop in dose. Mood was eh in morning but absolutely euphoric after today’s shot. I’ve been in a great mood for over a week.
Had some confusion/memory issues today. Not uncommon for a dose change. Some tiredness here and there too. Everything else is generally trucking along, including energy and libido. And my motivation is returning after a long malaise.
As I detailed a few posts ago, I think I was able to cut out some bad weeks by “sub-loading” my dose. On that note, I noticed something interesting. Since I’ve been on 2x and done a few dose changes and I keep a detailed daily log (with an estimated “blood level” of T based on half-life), I have enough data now to say this for sure…
Whenever I get to three shots on the run that put me at around the same “blood levels” (not an actual medical number, but just how much T should be in me based on my dosing schedule), that’s when I start to feel real good. For normal consistent dosing, this would occur between Week 5 and 6. If you frontload or subload your dose, this can happen quicker, like between Week 2 and 3 if you do it gently. I’m sure it won’t work for everyone, and certainly not when you first start out and your body still has it’s own production to deal with. I’m talking about when you’re moving from already steady levels of exogenous T.
I clearly can’t predict the future (see this log for details), but although I’ve just had some confusion/memory issues kick in today, I haven’t (yet) had the depression, anxiety and intrusive thoughts that have plagued me early in every other dose change. Here’s hoping I skip that shit.
Hi again!
So the last time I talked about “gliding” through my days - a feeling like time passes without worry or boredom, and I am ready for anything and can handle any situation - was way back before I switched to better syringes and unwittingly doubled my dose last September. And I had glided through my days for a month or more straight before that and it felt like I was living life with a cheat code. It was amazing. Better than my honeymoon period when I felt like Superman (which lasted all of about five days).
In fact, if I look back in my own thread here, I complain about no longer “gliding” through my days… and yes, it was very soon after I doubled the dose. Son of a gun. Sort of figures, doesn’t it.
Anyway… last week and the week before were difficult for me. The days just absolutely dragged even though my mood and everything else was good. In fact I’ve had a pretty rough go of it since September, really, but definitely since November. Finally, yesterday I got the sense things may be picking up in this regard. And today it was 2:30pm before I even looked at the clock with any interest. It wasn’t even a particularly busy day. I think I am gliding again!!!
I’m also feeling much more self-assured and strong, moreso than any time since I was on this dose where I started this log. I’ve still got this hunger thing going - no low blood sugar episodes but it is a starving hunger - I do think it may resolve itself on its own in due course. On that note, for the last six weeks my balls have been sweating a LOT, like they did when I was Low T. This is not a big deal to me, but hormones are so fucking weird. Today and yesterday that has finally stopped. Or at least taken a hiatus.
I cannot emphasize enough that this has been by far my best dose change. It helps that it’s the right dose for me (or getting a lot closer to it anyway) but by “subloading” my dose I appear to have skipped a boatload of depression, intrusive thoughts, anxiety and overall misery. I wish there was a calculator online for people to try what I did. I know it may not work for everyone but I shaved possibly 3 weeks of ups and downs off a 30% drop in dose by doing “transition” shots rather than jumping straight onto the next dose. The idea was to get my blood levels closer to stable sooner. My other dose changes have been 6-8 weeks like clockwork. I’m not yet through Week 4 here and it feels like at least Week 8.
I’m most certainly not out of the woods yet, and I’ve got my fingers crossed for no crazy side effects, new or old, but so far I highly recommend this strategy of carefully modulating the dose for people who are having to make changes.
You are taking 36mg a week that’s it?