RR's Once a Week to Twice a Week Cyp Log

Pharma TRT
121

Dropping my dose down to 45mg a week from 60mg. Side effects were just getting to be too much. It doesn’t feel like my body should be running this way. It’s a shame because everything else was perfect. I was on 40 already (actually a bit less than 40) without knowing it, and everything, especially mood and assertiveness, was rolling back then without the negative side effects. But at the time, energy, mental focus and libido all seemed like they could use improvement.

They’ve all gotten improvement from being on 60 but I can tell physically my body is running at too high a pitch. On the bright side, I feel MUCH better on 60mg than 80, and on 80 my body was really being taxed. Muscles were constantly crying in need of working out, heart rate was up from the tiniest amount of activity, etc.

So I’m trying to find the least dose I need to function well, and just sticking with that. The dose drop started today. Frustrating but… eight weeks afuckinghoy!

122

This was the first change I noticed in myself within hours of my first ever injection of Test Cyp. The impulse, voice in my head, or whatever you want to call it to make sure “we all just get along” and desire to sell my point of view got muffled and disappeared. Many exchanges with my wife are on the hostile spectrum and feel like firefights, and instinctively I’ve just started turning my back on her and walking away. That in itself is improving my quality of life immeasurably.

Thanks for your detailed log.

1 Like
123

So I lowered my dose officially on Monday after doing a slightly lower than usual amount on Friday and already it seems like the hunger/sugar issue is in the past. I was quite sick last night and had to completely skip dinner and I’ve been fine in terms of hunger. If this was a week or two ago I would have been seriously hurting.

There was another weird thing where I had lost sensitivity in my skin, and that seems to have gone back to normal. That came on about 3 weeks ago just as I was settling in to my dose.

This stuff isn’t in my head. I wasn’t even sure it was T causing it, but I’m definitely sensitive to even minor changes in dose, and sensitive to T itself, and with these side effects already disappearing this week, it gives me hope I’m doing the right thing in lowering again.

124

I’m glad you have read it (or some of it) . I wonder sometimes if I did it all for nothing, although it’s been helpful to me at times to look back at what was happening at a certain point.

125

Hello again! Week 2 of… yet another dose change! This time I am reducing from 60 to 40.

The last dose (60) was simply too strong for me. It settled into me having some very uncomfortable side effects - inexplicable starving hunger, low blood sugar “crashes”, and a fast resting heart rate - all of which basically went away as soon as I dropped my dose. I would not call myself a typical responder to T. Definitely hyper responsive. So bear that in mind when you read my log.

The heart rate is still an issue for me on T, but since I titrated down a week ago, it is only intermittently an issue. Whereas a couple weeks ago I was having entire days of an accelerated resting rate. On the dose before that (80), it was even more pronounced, with the mildest of physical activity causing a huge spike.

Not much else to report so far. I’ve had a big appetite this week but that’s all it is. A big appetite. No starving hunger or sugar issues. Otherwise the week has been up and down, marked by some good feeling, some depression (which I don’t get outside of T dose changes) and some anxiety as I get closer to my next shot. I will not be sad to see the anxiety behind me again. It has really roared back into my life since I screwed my dose back in September (about 15 weeks into this log).

I was on 40 for those first 15 weeks (accidentally) and it was for the most part a huge success. Having tested out the old bum syringes, it turns out I was probably on a little less than 40 at that time. Probably closer to 30. So this dose may still yet be too high for me.

I am loathe to go all the way down to 30 because I was having a few unresolved issues on that dose. But if I have to go there eventually, I will.

I’m trying to balance being repetitive in each of these posts with being informative so people know what the heck I’m talking about. Not sure how that’s working out.

Here is my revised dose schedule since starting TRT:

June '18 to June '19: 80mg per week, 1x
June '19 to Sept '19: 32mg per week, split 2x
Sept '19 to Nov '19: 76mg per week, split 2x
Nov '19 to Jan '20: 56mg per week, split 2x
1/27/20 - Present: 40mg per week, split 2x

126

What is your blood work on any of these doses? What’s the reason for not ever trying more than 100mg? Not questioning your approach just curious.

127

Hi Dex… I don’t mind the questions, thanks. Unfortunately I do not have much bloodwork. On 80mg 1x a week, I was around 1200 TT at my peak. Pretty sure I am in a state where I cannot obtain my own and my doctor is pretty old school on the hormone stuff. I am due to get more bloodwork done, as that was a year ago.

As far as 100mg, any time I have done a single dose (or a few in a row) that amounted to over 90mg in a week, it has caused agonizing intense anxiety where I wanted to crawl out of my own skin and/or die. I can actually feel the T peaking at between 40 and 42 hours. It’s happened enough times to know I never want to do it again.

128

That’s crazy man. When I was higher body fat when I started TRT I felt something similar. It made me drop my dose in half. One I lost some fat I went back to that initial dose and feel great. Not sure you’re body fat. Anyways, hang in there. You’ll figure it out and once you do you won’t have to worry about it again for a while.

1 Like
129

Not sure if you’ve seen this but this was from a book I just read. Dr. Rob Kominiarek has seen this issue with some of his patients. It’s very unfortunate and problematic, but select individuals with Monoamine oxidase A Single Nucleotide Polymorphism have a genetic predisposition to a slow degradation of neurotransmitter pathways. As soon as these patients take a shot of testosterone, they have full-blown panic attacks. Some attacks are so severe that they are unable to leave their homes, or even function properly. He offers a couple of reasons as to why this may happen, including depletion of pregnenolone or magnesium. If restoring both pregnenolone and magnesium to healthy levels doesn’t help, there’s a good chance that the patient doesn’t tolerate estrogens or androgens very well (if at all). As a result, any dose of testosterone will likely lead to panic attacks.

1 Like
130

I’m roughly 5’4" 145. Not incredibly lean but not a ton of fat, either. Thanks for the info. You’re full of it.

And information, too.

But seriously it was a post from you a few months back in another thread that made me question and subsequently discover how much oil my different syringes were actually delivering, so thanks. Without that I would have still been totally lost.

1 Like
131

It’s amazing you’re getting great results on such low doses.

MANY people don’t seem to reap the benefits of TRT and I wonder if they need very lower doses.

I may be one of them. I’ve never really been able to get anywhere with TRT. Especially libido wise.

132

I think in some desperate cases it can’t hurt to try a lower dose. I know it’s not the done thing, or advised by many here. And I am very clearly sensitive to the stuff.

There is a guy on YouTube that did like 5 years worth of a TRT video log and after a couple years of very good results, he reduced from 200mg to 100mg (I think) a week, and he said it was actually much better. I don’t know how much he’s doing now.

133

@rwr410
He was also drinking heavily and lowered his dose and got sober after 2 years at 200mg with an AI. He lowered his dose to 180 then 160 then 120mg based on numbers that a new doc wanted him at. The same doc convinced him he could quit TRT once he was at a certain point. Eventually he stated he slowly increased dose again to 160-180mg because he kept suffering from major instances of depression (he’s was diagnosed with bipolar disorder before TRT) which is where he’s at now. All of his videos were removed when YouTube changed their advertising policy and he didn’t repost all of them so you can’t see his whole story but he did repost many of them. His name is BigNoKnow.

1 Like
134

Just look at the difference between all of us physically. There’s guys from 5’4 to 6’6+ here with over 100lb weight differences. We all eat completely different food, are into completely different things and all have completely different issues with all kinds of shit. No one here knows anyone else’s answer to their problems. We can advise what works for many but in reality we all react differently to testosterone and it’s on the person to figure out what the ideal dosage is for them. Whether you start high and work down or start low and work up it’s usually a long process of trial and error with many mistakes made along the way. If you’re patient and have a bit of luck on your side you eventually get there and it’s all worth it.

2 Likes
135

Last I saw I thought that guy relapsed after all the dose lowering? Not saying it’s related, just making sure it’s the same guy. Dude was pretty huge at one point

136

Yep. He’s relapsed several times. His physique change over the course of time was incredible.

137

Thanks for the update/info. That is the guy. I can’t believe any rational doctor would advise that someone could quit TRT. Insane.

138

@rwr410
His videos were one of the first things I saw when getting on TRT.

139

Yep. Me too. At that point I think he had just reloaded them to YT.

140

Same here

Ah the days before @dbossa took over the YouTube TRT world :laughing:

2 Likes