[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Interesting points. I am starting to go with a closer grip on my bench because of some shoulder discomfort and it seems to be helping. For me anyway I think it still helps possibly with shoulder stabilization, but I love the OH press in itself.
BTW where did you get that I was yelling at you? I paid you a compliment for chrissakes lol[/quote]
lol I meant that in reply to my new comment that OHP is useless, no one needs to yell at me. Some people get very defensive about their opinions so I just like to clearly state that these are merely mine. I know you weren’t yelling at me. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Regarding the clsoe grp… For raw press, I say hold the bar wherever you want because whatever moves the most weight is best. If you get into gear, there really is no option but widening the gri. That being said, I think that in time, if you work on benching with really tight form, that wide grip will likely triumph in the end. Obviously some people argue with this opinion (such as Jeremy Hoornstra), but remember that no ‘rules’ are absolute, but just apply to the majority.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Interesting points. I am starting to go with a closer grip on my bench because of some shoulder discomfort and it seems to be helping. For me anyway I think it still helps possibly with shoulder stabilization, but I love the OH press in itself.
BTW where did you get that I was yelling at you? I paid you a compliment for chrissakes lol[/quote]
I think that was more of a preventive statement than it was a response to anything you said.
In any case, thank y’all for all the help. I’ll probably log my progress pretty diligently (because I enjoy it), so I can post on here if there is any interest. I am gonna stick with the intermediate program for a couple reasons:
- I am coming off about a month away from squatting and will therefore be setting my max at about 405.
- I am going to move my hands in on my bench press because this is a requirement of my soon-to be strength and conditioning coach.
- I have never trained Standing Overhead, Rows, or Deadlifts extensively and therefore am far from being peaked in these movements.
I think these three criteria qualify me as intermediate rather than advanced (at least for this cycle).
[quote]JGrace55 wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Interesting points. I am starting to go with a closer grip on my bench because of some shoulder discomfort and it seems to be helping. For me anyway I think it still helps possibly with shoulder stabilization, but I love the OH press in itself.
BTW where did you get that I was yelling at you? I paid you a compliment for chrissakes lol[/quote]
I think that was more of a preventive statement than it was a response to anything you said.
In any case, thank y’all for all the help. I’ll probably log my progress pretty diligently (because I enjoy it), so I can post on here if there is any interest. I am gonna stick with the intermediate program for a couple reasons:
- I am coming off about a month away from squatting and will therefore be setting my max at about 405.
- I am going to move my hands in on my bench press because this is a requirement of my soon-to be strength and conditioning coach.
- I have never trained Standing Overhead, Rows, or Deadlifts extensively and therefore am far from being peaked in these movements.
I think these three criteria qualify me as intermediate rather than advanced (at least for this cycle).[/quote]
These all seem reasonable. Also, starting more basic is usually better IMO because it leaves more room to customize and add in time. Kinda like dieting - better to cut only 500kcal at first, then slowly drop more and more to continue seeing the progress, rather than cutting 2000kcal right from the start. Will follow your log.
[quote]arramzy wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Interesting points. I am starting to go with a closer grip on my bench because of some shoulder discomfort and it seems to be helping. For me anyway I think it still helps possibly with shoulder stabilization, but I love the OH press in itself.
BTW where did you get that I was yelling at you? I paid you a compliment for chrissakes lol[/quote]
lol I meant that in reply to my new comment that OHP is useless, no one needs to yell at me. Some people get very defensive about their opinions so I just like to clearly state that these are merely mine. I know you weren’t yelling at me. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Regarding the clsoe grp… For raw press, I say hold the bar wherever you want because whatever moves the most weight is best. If you get into gear, there really is no option but widening the gri. That being said, I think that in time, if you work on benching with really tight form, that wide grip will likely triumph in the end. Obviously some people argue with this opinion (such as Jeremy Hoornstra), but remember that no ‘rules’ are absolute, but just apply to the majority.[/quote]
Internet comprehension fail!
Thanks for the info brother
[quote]arramzy wrote:
[quote]JGrace55 wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Interesting points. I am starting to go with a closer grip on my bench because of some shoulder discomfort and it seems to be helping. For me anyway I think it still helps possibly with shoulder stabilization, but I love the OH press in itself.
BTW where did you get that I was yelling at you? I paid you a compliment for chrissakes lol[/quote]
I think that was more of a preventive statement than it was a response to anything you said.
In any case, thank y’all for all the help. I’ll probably log my progress pretty diligently (because I enjoy it), so I can post on here if there is any interest. I am gonna stick with the intermediate program for a couple reasons:
- I am coming off about a month away from squatting and will therefore be setting my max at about 405.
- I am going to move my hands in on my bench press because this is a requirement of my soon-to be strength and conditioning coach.
- I have never trained Standing Overhead, Rows, or Deadlifts extensively and therefore am far from being peaked in these movements.
I think these three criteria qualify me as intermediate rather than advanced (at least for this cycle).[/quote]
These all seem reasonable. Also, starting more basic is usually better IMO because it leaves more room to customize and add in time. Kinda like dieting - better to cut only 500kcal at first, then slowly drop more and more to continue seeing the progress, rather than cutting 2000kcal right from the start. Will follow your log.[/quote]
Curious to see how it works out for you…I ran the intermediate Madcow and my lifts are not as good as yours and I started to fail at around week 8 or 9,
I guess I should also post my goals:
Before July of next year (when I leave for summer practice),
Gain 20 lbs (230 to 250)
1x BW Standing Overhead (250)
1.5x BW Bench (375)-obviously this one shouldn’t be too hard
2x BW Squat (500+)
2.5x BW Deadlift (625)
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Curious to see how it works out for you…I ran the intermediate Madcow and my lifts are not as good as yours and I started to fail at around week 8 or 9, [/quote]
Well I guess we will have to see. Should be interesting. I feel like I tend to respond well to a higher volume, but hell I could be completely wrong
Just as some background, I’ve been heavily influenced by the Bulgarian style of training because I train with their former olympic lifting coach. If you want to take the time to read through this, I think it says a lot of good stuff about the philosophy:
Namely: Maxing every day is not an issue. Approaching daily maxes as if you were in a competition is. There is no need to attack a daily max like one in a competition because the end goal is different. By carefully avoiding failure and taxation of the CNS, you can be sure to avoid overtraining while still making unbelievable gains. I loved this article by one of my favorite authors on the site:
It’s hard to argue with those kind of results. I love the mantra “If you can’t lift heavy every day, you’re not overtrained, you’re undertrained”
Yes, I know I’ll get plenty of push back from everyone here. And honestly, I know you might be right. But at the end of the day, I approach training this way and it’s seemed to work well for me. As an athlete, it also has the added benefit of training you to perform while fatigued.
I try to be smart about it, hence the setting my maxes lower than what they may be in a competition. I think moving into the cycle, my maxes will be:
Bench 365x1 (325x5)
Squat 405x1 (360x5)
Row 225x1 (200x5)
Press 175x1 (155x5)
Deadlift 455x3 (430x5)