Rounded Shoulders

[quote]Vyapada wrote:
DeadOnArrival wrote:
Yeah dude, where did you get your info? It makes sense that stronger/tighter internal rotators will cause a natural lean towards forward head and excessive kyphosis.

Generally the right idea, but stronger doesn’t necessarily mean tighter and vice versa.
I think unbalanced hypertrophy will also affect posture simply due to the pull of gravity - just look at the posture of most well endowed ladies…[/quote]

My wife has humongous breasts… and perfect posture. She hasn’t trained back (or anything) in five years. Still perfect posture.

[quote]on edge wrote:
Vyapada wrote:
DeadOnArrival wrote:
Yeah dude, where did you get your info? It makes sense that stronger/tighter internal rotators will cause a natural lean towards forward head and excessive kyphosis.

Generally the right idea, but stronger doesn’t necessarily mean tighter and vice versa.
I think unbalanced hypertrophy will also affect posture simply due to the pull of gravity - just look at the posture of most well endowed ladies…

My wife has humongous breasts… and perfect posture. She hasn’t trained back (or anything) in five years. Still perfect posture.

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Please post a picture for reference :wink:

[quote]on edge wrote:
Modi wrote:
on edge wrote:
It’s obviously good to keep your training balanced, however, the idea that developing your pecs and not developing your upper back or Lats will cause your shoulders to “round” is complete bullshit.

This is one of the pervasive misconceptions that everyone mindlessly blathers about and everyone just believes it without a second thought. (I’m talking skeletal posture, not distribution of muscle mass and the appearance it may cause).

Where are you getting your information from?

The majority of people who overtrain their pecs and undertrain their mid-back end up with overly tight pecs. This leads to rounded shoulders and potentially forward head posture. Training the mid-back will help keep the shoulders back with less conscious effort.

What makes you think this is some urban legend?

Also, as was said earlier, the pecs and lats are both internal rotators, that’s why I don’t advocate balancing bench press/pushups with pulldows/pullups.

Most people would benefit from adding external rotator cuff work into their program, as well as balancing push/pull exercises (both horizontally and vertically)

I get my information from original thought. I see no reason to believe that developed pecs, with underdeveloped midback will lead to “tight” pecs. A big muscle is going to be relaxed most of the time and about the same amount of time as if it were a small muscle. It’s not going to “pull” the structure forward.

This idea is less of a leap than believing it will pull the shoulders forward and way less than believing it will pull the neck forward. I could see a neck subluxation forming from constantly pressing the head back on a bench but that might happen regardless of the balance of training.

I agree with the rest of your post.[/quote]

Dude original thought is not good enough. While it may not always be the cause of rounded shoulders a strength imbalance should always be looked at as a possible cause. I am taking this straight out of a great book.

[quote]on edge wrote:
My wife has humongous breasts… and perfect posture. She hasn’t trained back (or anything) in five years. Still perfect posture.
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n = 1 for the win

Most postural issues are caused from sitting at computers and tv’s. We become lazy. Doing crunches and bench press just makes things worse for people.

I think you train your body into bad posture with repetition.

A strenght imbalance can cause faulty loading of joints as far as i can tell. Strong muscles will want to do most of the work, they will eventually become over worked and tight. A contraction of a pec will usually deactivate a rhomboid, or a contracted psoas will deactivate a glute.

Just paying attention to good posture when doing exercises will help.

I think big tits on women force them to have good posture. Although they usually end up with neck pain or something. I sometimes wear my backpack on the front - to train the muscles that lift my chest and keep me aligned.

[quote]DeadOnArrival wrote:
I think big tits on women force them to have good posture. Although they usually end up with neck pain or something.[/quote]

I think the stat is something like 90% of all people have back/neck pain sometime in their lives… from various origins.

I made the above comment due to the fact that 1) I have never met a person whose posture could not be improved, and 2) all the ladies with big knockers that I’ve met or seen from a reasonably close distance have had scapula control and positioning that made me cringe.

This is from my experience and may not mirror the greater universe… but I’d love to see examples of the perfect or good posture mentioned - oh and the boobies!

Ok, I rephrase. Big titties ‘may’ force good posture. I guess this depends on the individual and how big were talking. Thinking about it a little more, I can see it leading to over worked scap retractors.

Either way, they should work to balance out push pull strength in the saggital plane.

I often see thoracic extension as an attempt to compensate for ‘rounded shoulders’ with our hypermammaried friends, which may be the cause or the result of poor serratus anterior and lower trapezius function and shortened pectoralis minor.

From what I’ve noticed, it seems that this stiffness in the thoracic spine leads to an overcompensation of flexion in the lumbar spine when reaching - leading to other problems.

Often these problems don’t exist in isolation and poor activation of or weakness of gluteals is also a factor, but that is another story.

Please note that these are just things that have caught my attention and certainly aren’t definitive or universal.

Another excellent exercise to balance this out is the reverse push up off the Smith Machine (set at arms length off ground). It has the added benefit of making the chest appear wider.

Match it rep for rep with push ups and you won’t have rounded shoulders any longer.

[quote]AllTraps wrote:
Another excellent exercise to balance this out is the reverse push up off the Smith Machine (set at arms length off ground). It has the added benefit of making the chest appear wider.

Match it rep for rep with push ups and you won’t have rounded shoulders any longer.
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Yes, this is the exercise I was calling ‘modified pullups’ in an earlier post.

And to think, all these years I thought the Smith Machine was only good for hanging your towel on. Now it has two uses.