Roulette Computers: Win Every Time??

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I don’t know whether any of you are familiar with the technology. Sounds a bit too good to be true I reckon.

Apparently, such technology can be hidden in mobile phones and other devices and claims to measure the deceleration of the ball and wheel, thus lowering the odds 36-1 to like 6-1. Amazing if it worked. I think the technology is called LIDAR.

Apparently last year in the UK, several Eastern european Gamblers won over 1million in a major casino and were allowed to keep it since such technology was not illegal at the time. I can only find sketchy news reports on it which may mean it is a bogus story. possibly circulated by the sellers of such technology, the casinos who want people to think they have an advantage or the UK Labour party who were looking to expand casino’s I think.

Interesting stuff nonetheless.

Anybody have any thoughts/experience with this???

CD

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Yeah that tech exists … people used to do it with simple machines wired to their boots etc… … you can “time it” in roulette because you can place bets whilst the wheel is a’spinnen … however … if you get caught you will be in a lot of trouble ranging from being asked to politely leave, to charged, beaten up or even taken care of depending on what place/country you are in.

If you win consistently in any game in any casino even 100% legally, you WILL be excluded from ALL casinos. They have face recognition software + experts watching everyone and as soon as you walk in they will know you and escort you out before you do too much damage. They also network with each other.

Another good scam is, you watch the slot machines and when they have not jackpotted for awhile, about 50-100 of your friends come in and play them like bananas. You lose money of course but the odds are that one of you will jackpot, then you split the prize equally. It pays pretty well. It works. The casino does not lose. But the regular slot machine players DO lose because you outsiders come in and bombard the joint, taking the jackpot.

Overall though all casinos are stacked heavily against you.

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Cheating a casino… greeaaaaat idea…

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[quote]CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:
I don’t know whether any of you are familiar with the technology. Sounds a bit too good to be true I reckon.

Apparently, such technology can be hidden in mobile phones and other devices and claims to measure the deceleration of the ball and wheel, thus lowering the odds 36-1 to like 6-1. Amazing if it worked. I think the technology is called LIDAR.

Apparently last year in the UK, several Eastern european Gamblers won over 1million in a major casino and were allowed to keep it since such technology was not illegal at the time. I can only find sketchy news reports on it which may mean it is a bogus story. possibly circulated by the sellers of such technology, the casinos who want people to think they have an advantage or the UK Labour party who were looking to expand casino’s I think.

Interesting stuff nonetheless.

Anybody have any thoughts/experience with this???

CD[/quote]

If you would only channel your thought process into something good you might be on the right track.

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well, considering a few people in the UK won 1.3 MILLION with such technology I don’t think it’s that ridiculous to look into. THey court ruled they could keep it too.

Also, such technology is not illegal where I come from (ireland) so the likelihood is that if you get caught, you are still legally entitled to the money.

the risk in this country (ireland) is also much lower since we have no super-casinos like the US with facial recognition technology/countermeasures etc…all the casinos here are small time.

Look at the MIT kids, they did it with their brains and nobody told them it was a dumb idea. i’d love you to tell them to their face that it was a dumb idea…oh, what a dumb idea that they decided to win millions of dollars…

If you can get away with it, and there are no legal ramifications then what’s so bad about using technology…

It’s not ‘ripping off’ a casino. I find it funny that people would be reluctant to ‘rip off’ a casino when they exist for that very same purpose in respect to us. I, for one, have no moral objection to changing the odds, which are mathematically wieghted in their favor from the start.

As long as you make sure you aren’t walking into SIn city where the casino is run by gangsters, I figure you should be fine.ie. only hit casino’s with a good rep (attached to hotel chains etc) Worst that can happen is that you get caught.

Even if you did get caught, it’s likely that you would have run up some nice earnings before that happened, which legally, you are entitled to keep.

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[quote]Magarhe wrote:

Another good scam is, you watch the slot machines and when they have not jackpotted for awhile, about 50-100 of your friends come in and play them like bananas. You lose money of course but the odds are that one of you will jackpot, then you split the prize equally. It pays pretty well. It works. The casino does not lose. But the regular slot machine players DO lose because you outsiders come in and bombard the joint, taking the jackpot.

Overall though all casinos are stacked heavily against you.

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Umm…no. The odds are never in your favor at anytime with slot machines (unless you jury rig them). Casinos live for myths like this, since it results in a bunch of people pouring their money into the machines, while still coming out losers.

And the big casinos are not run by gangsters as someone above suggested. You watch too many movies.

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[quote]CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:

Look at the MIT kids, they did it with their brains and nobody told them it was a dumb idea. i’d love you to tell them to their face that it was a dumb idea…oh, what a dumb idea that they decided to win millions of dollars…

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They also almost ended up dead when they tried to pull that in an Indian casino.

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Also important to note is that besides vegas, most casinos are owned by Indians. On Indian land you are under Indian jurisdiction. Important to note.

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[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:

Look at the MIT kids, they did it with their brains and nobody told them it was a dumb idea. i’d love you to tell them to their face that it was a dumb idea…oh, what a dumb idea that they decided to win millions of dollars…

They also almost ended up dead when they tried to pull that in an Indian casino.[/quote]

I was just going to say that. Read the part where they have shotguns in their face.

Besides there is a difference between beating a game and cheating. Using a timer to track a roulette wheel is cheating. I’d like to see a link to the page where it says these kids timed a wheel and there was no legal ramifications. This certainly would not be the case in the US. I believe felony cheating in a US casino is something like 6 years if convicted

. Blackjack is the only house game that can be beaten (well, I guess technically there are variations of Baccharat, but the edge would be so small and so difficult…) is blackjack and good luck doing that for more than a few thousand before you get banned.

There’s a much better risk-reward ratio in stealing cars than there is in trying to cheat a casino.

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[quote]Magarhe wrote:
Overall though all casinos are stacked heavily against you.
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Exactly, and that will never, ever change.

The moment you think of a casino as a money-making opportunity rather than entertainment, you’re one step away from just throwing away your money.

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Why not just play high stakes poker or play the stock market? I don’t get people that throw away their money on casinos.

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[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
cap’nsalty wrote:
CELTIC-DEVIL wrote:

Look at the MIT kids, they did it with their brains and nobody told them it was a dumb idea. i’d love you to tell them to their face that it was a dumb idea…oh, what a dumb idea that they decided to win millions of dollars…

They also almost ended up dead when they tried to pull that in an Indian casino.

I was just going to say that. Read the part where they have shotguns in their face.

Besides there is a difference between beating a game and cheating. Using a timer to track a roulette wheel is cheating. I’d like to see a link to the page where it says these kids timed a wheel and there was no legal ramifications. This certainly would not be the case in the US. I believe felony cheating in a US casino is something like 6 years if convicted

. Blackjack is the only house game that can be beaten (well, I guess technically there are variations of Baccharat, but the edge would be so small and so difficult…) is blackjack and good luck doing that for more than a few thousand before you get banned.

There’s a much better risk-reward ratio in stealing cars than there is in trying to cheat a casino.[/quote]

I disagree.

Yes, I have read the book, which is what I qualified my above statements by sating that you should only try to hit reputable casinos, such as casino’s attached to Hotel chains etc. Where’s the risk there? They are not going to kill or threaten you if you get caught and since it is not illegal here, wheres the risk other than being banned???
That said, I would NOT do it in the US or mainland europe.

I have alreaedy said that it would be a dumb idea to walk into a casino you were not sure of who ran it or a casino on the European continent where they very often ARE controlled by the mob etc. THAT, is dumb. But hitting reputable casino’s where it may be quite possible to win with no legal ramifications is NOT. Wouldn’t you agree?? If you don’t I really cant see why not.

As I said, I think the technology is illegal in the US. However, the gamblers who I talked of did it in the UK, as I already stated. And they WERE allowed keep their money…all 1.3million of it. The story is widely avaliable on the net, although I never came across extensive details of it, you can simply google it and I’m sure you would find it.

HAve you ever seen anyone get 1.3million out of stealing cars. I’d like you to show me who. Also, stealing cars is very much illegal. In Ireland, this technology is not. Still sound dumb?

As for yous assertion that it is cheating, I absolutley disagree. I am merely doing the same thing the casinos are doing. They exist for the very purpose of ripping us off through mathematical advantage. If you accuse me of cheating, then you must accept they are doing the same!!! So then, what is so wrong with what I suggest???

Personally, I cant think of someone better to take money off than a casino who have been taking money off us for decades. Do you not agree?

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[quote]cap’nsalty wrote:
Also important to note is that besides vegas, most casinos are owned by Indians. On Indian land you are under Indian jurisdiction. Important to note. [/quote]

Really? I thought they are mostly owned by Native Americans?

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The guys who invented the original. I can’t remember their names weird considering they are household names. Are doing a very similar thing currently in the stock market. This may sound odd, but in their view if you can get even a .1% advantage over the public and hit it repeatedly over time you can make alot of money.

Look into it. Not so much from the market, but from the return from peoples accounts they manage.

Basicly they are utilising large computers, custom designed math systems, etc… its weird there are a few article on it round the net…