Ron Paul's Chances in 2012?

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[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Ron Paul raised $5 million in 2008. Obama raised $750 million. I agree that the American public is more educated today as opposed to 2 years ago, but not enough to overcome a delta like that. The media is everything during a campaign, and they clearly went to great lenghts to discredit him in 2008. I about fell on the floor when the guy asked Ron if he had any credibility as a Republican candidate during the nationally televised Republican debate, and about hit the ceiling with a fist pump when he responded.

BTW, part of his response was edited out and not aired, hence the power of the media. Look at the bogus claims they made against Rand. They tried to make a huge deal about him “abducting a girl and making her pray to his aqua buddah”. Even when the girl openly admitted that she was with him at her own free will, the media still tried to make it look sinister.

Political opportunist? I extend the plethora of HAHAs by Lifticus.
If he can make some headway as chairman of the house subcommittee on domestic monetary policy he may catapult himself into the spotlight and as a contender.
The fact that govt documents list Ron Paul supporters as potential domestic terrorists makes me support him even more.
Ron Paul for President! Vice President…Lt. Col. Allen West. [/quote]

Yeah, if it were not for the big bad media Ron Paul would be President today. Most people want to vote for a 78 year old congressman for President. If they only gave him the chance to air his out of the mainstream views well that would have done it.

:slight_smile:

(Hey I like the guy but stop it really…all of you just stop it)

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[quote]Alffi wrote:
The conservatives won’t vote for a guy that does not put Israel’s interests above America’s.[/quote]

What? Not true. While Isreal is the ONLY ally in the middle east, we support them but never put their interest above ours.

We get enough “International Interest above the US Interest” from the current administration with UN and climategate and carbon taxes. Plus, not enforcing the borders and inviting south american countries to sue AZ for their new illegal immigration law. Now THAT’s putting the US first!

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The media’s coverage wasn’t his only obstacle, but probably his biggest. I’m being optimistic regardless of what you say! I will be satisfied if he runs and loses, but some of his policies gain traction. You can rub it in my face and read the sadness in my posts when he doesn’t even make it out of the primaries. :slight_smile:

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Ron Paul raised $5 million in 2008. Obama raised $750 million. I agree that the American public is more educated today as opposed to 2 years ago, but not enough to overcome a delta like that. The media is everything during a campaign, and they clearly went to great lenghts to discredit him in 2008. I about fell on the floor when the guy asked Ron if he had any credibility as a Republican candidate during the nationally televised Republican debate, and about hit the ceiling with a fist pump when he responded.

BTW, part of his response was edited out and not aired, hence the power of the media. Look at the bogus claims they made against Rand. They tried to make a huge deal about him “abducting a girl and making her pray to his aqua buddah”. Even when the girl openly admitted that she was with him at her own free will, the media still tried to make it look sinister.

Political opportunist? I extend the plethora of HAHAs by Lifticus.
If he can make some headway as chairman of the house subcommittee on domestic monetary policy he may catapult himself into the spotlight and as a contender.
The fact that govt documents list Ron Paul supporters as potential domestic terrorists makes me support him even more.
Ron Paul for President! Vice President…Lt. Col. Allen West. [/quote]

Yeah, if it were not for the big bad media Ron Paul would be President today. Most people want to vote for a 78 year old congressman for President. If they only gave him the chance to air his out of the mainstream views well that would have done it.

:slight_smile:

(Hey I like the guy but stop it really…all of you just stop it)
[/quote]

Could we not put the same limiting criteria on John McCain? Why was his bid entertained?

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[quote]storey420 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Ron Paul raised $5 million in 2008. Obama raised $750 million. I agree that the American public is more educated today as opposed to 2 years ago, but not enough to overcome a delta like that. The media is everything during a campaign, and they clearly went to great lenghts to discredit him in 2008. I about fell on the floor when the guy asked Ron if he had any credibility as a Republican candidate during the nationally televised Republican debate, and about hit the ceiling with a fist pump when he responded.

BTW, part of his response was edited out and not aired, hence the power of the media. Look at the bogus claims they made against Rand. They tried to make a huge deal about him “abducting a girl and making her pray to his aqua buddah”. Even when the girl openly admitted that she was with him at her own free will, the media still tried to make it look sinister.

Political opportunist? I extend the plethora of HAHAs by Lifticus.
If he can make some headway as chairman of the house subcommittee on domestic monetary policy he may catapult himself into the spotlight and as a contender.
The fact that govt documents list Ron Paul supporters as potential domestic terrorists makes me support him even more.
Ron Paul for President! Vice President…Lt. Col. Allen West. [/quote]

Yeah, if it were not for the big bad media Ron Paul would be President today. Most people want to vote for a 78 year old congressman for President. If they only gave him the chance to air his out of the mainstream views well that would have done it.

:slight_smile:

(Hey I like the guy but stop it really…all of you just stop it)
[/quote]

Could we not put the same limiting criteria on John McCain? Why was his bid entertained? [/quote]

I was asking myself that question daily about two years ago. If we are going to beat Obama in two years we need someone who can really shine. Perhaps a solid republican governor. And then a strong well known individual as his VP.

Either way I assure you it will NOT be Ron Paul. As I said several posts back his best chance of getting even close to the seat of power is to be appointed to a cabinet position by a republican President. And even that will probably not happen, but at least there is a glimmer of hope for cabinet spot. But he’s going to have to sit down and shut up during the campaign. Almost every time he opens his mouth he sounds nutty to the typical voter. I know, I know, you guys love him. But most people really don’t.

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[quote]storey420 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Ron Paul raised $5 million in 2008. Obama raised $750 million. I agree that the American public is more educated today as opposed to 2 years ago, but not enough to overcome a delta like that. The media is everything during a campaign, and they clearly went to great lenghts to discredit him in 2008. I about fell on the floor when the guy asked Ron if he had any credibility as a Republican candidate during the nationally televised Republican debate, and about hit the ceiling with a fist pump when he responded.

BTW, part of his response was edited out and not aired, hence the power of the media. Look at the bogus claims they made against Rand. They tried to make a huge deal about him “abducting a girl and making her pray to his aqua buddah”. Even when the girl openly admitted that she was with him at her own free will, the media still tried to make it look sinister.

Political opportunist? I extend the plethora of HAHAs by Lifticus.
If he can make some headway as chairman of the house subcommittee on domestic monetary policy he may catapult himself into the spotlight and as a contender.
The fact that govt documents list Ron Paul supporters as potential domestic terrorists makes me support him even more.
Ron Paul for President! Vice President…Lt. Col. Allen West. [/quote]

Yeah, if it were not for the big bad media Ron Paul would be President today. Most people want to vote for a 78 year old congressman for President. If they only gave him the chance to air his out of the mainstream views well that would have done it.

:slight_smile:

(Hey I like the guy but stop it really…all of you just stop it)
[/quote]

Could we not put the same limiting criteria on John McCain? Why was his bid entertained? [/quote]
It’s simple. Ron Paul is anti-establishment and John McCain is not. Ron Paul needs to win establishment support even while he attempts to discredit it which a candidate like John McCain does not have to do. Who has the harder task?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]storey420 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]AdamDrew wrote:
Ron Paul raised $5 million in 2008. Obama raised $750 million. I agree that the American public is more educated today as opposed to 2 years ago, but not enough to overcome a delta like that. The media is everything during a campaign, and they clearly went to great lenghts to discredit him in 2008. I about fell on the floor when the guy asked Ron if he had any credibility as a Republican candidate during the nationally televised Republican debate, and about hit the ceiling with a fist pump when he responded.

BTW, part of his response was edited out and not aired, hence the power of the media. Look at the bogus claims they made against Rand. They tried to make a huge deal about him “abducting a girl and making her pray to his aqua buddah”. Even when the girl openly admitted that she was with him at her own free will, the media still tried to make it look sinister.

Political opportunist? I extend the plethora of HAHAs by Lifticus.
If he can make some headway as chairman of the house subcommittee on domestic monetary policy he may catapult himself into the spotlight and as a contender.
The fact that govt documents list Ron Paul supporters as potential domestic terrorists makes me support him even more.
Ron Paul for President! Vice President…Lt. Col. Allen West. [/quote]

Yeah, if it were not for the big bad media Ron Paul would be President today. Most people want to vote for a 78 year old congressman for President. If they only gave him the chance to air his out of the mainstream views well that would have done it.

:slight_smile:

(Hey I like the guy but stop it really…all of you just stop it)
[/quote]

Could we not put the same limiting criteria on John McCain? Why was his bid entertained? [/quote]

I was asking myself that question daily about two years ago. If we are going to beat Obama in two years we need someone who can really shine. Perhaps a solid republican governor. And then a strong well known individual as his VP.

Either way I assure you it will NOT be Ron Paul. As I said several posts back his best chance of getting even close to the seat of power is to be appointed to a cabinet position by a republican President. And even that will probably not happen, but at least there is a glimmer of hope for cabinet spot. But he’s going to have to sit down and shut up during the campaign. Almost every time he opens his mouth he sounds nutty to the typical voter. I know, I know, you guys love him. But most people really don’t.[/quote]

True on all points. McCain was the worst opponent. “Hey guys hope and change (of course we all know it was 95% hope and 5% change) or another old ass white guy spouting the same doctrine.”

Paul doesn’t have a chance but could get a cabinet spot if he played along.

“I know, I know, you guys love him. But most people really don’t.” Not him as much as the thought of someone actually calling out the nonsense that goes on in Washington. But I would say change the him to her and your quote applies to all supporters of Palin.

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[quote]storey420 wrote:

“I know, I know, you guys love him. But most people really don’t.” Not him as much as the thought of someone actually calling out the nonsense that goes on in Washington. But I would say change the him to her and your quote applies to all supporters of Palin.
[/quote]

You are spot on with that one. One of the worst candidates that the republicans could nominate would be Palin. They may just as well hand Obamawitz another term.

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True on that Zeb. You think Mitt has used up his juice?

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[quote]storey420 wrote:
True on that Zeb. You think Mitt has used up his juice?[/quote]

He’d have to be about the favorite this far out. But he has that Mormon thing going on and the liberal media will eat him up over it like they did two years ago. It’s okay to be a lesbian midget former drug addict if YOU’RE A LIBERAL - If you’re a republican you better have your act together or you’ll be eaten for lunch by the MSLM.

I see a a republican gov stepping up. Don’t know who yet.

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Don’t forget he has a son who I am sure shares a lot of the same views as his father, and is a lot younger.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
…The liberal media will eat him up over it like they did two years ago…[/quote]

You’re way off on this one, Zeb…

It was neither the “MSLM” or liberal anything that gave Romney his greatest headaches and derided him the most during the last election…it was the Religious Right.

Southern Baptist; Evangelicals; Pentacostals; even Televangelist were on record in opposition to what Romney’s religion meant to them…and that they would never, ever vote for him.

And that feeling has not changed.

Mufasa

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[quote]Dustin wrote:
Paul is obviously the only politician worth actually voting for, per the comments from Lifticus.

Unfortunately, he has no chance for the simple fact that he “names names”. He knows the system is rigged. Big Business and the government are in bed together and Paul points this out. He will therefore not get the financial support from these interests, unlike Obama, Bush, etc, who all play the game.

We’re fucked.[/quote]

Dude I thought you were into hip-hop. You follow politics and shit too?

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:

You’re way off on this one, Zeb…[/quote]

Oh like this is the first time? Ha…I’ve been way off plenty of times! I guess I told you…Oh wait…

[quote]It was neither the “MSLM” or liberal anything that gave Romney his greatest headaches and derided him the most during the last election…it was the Religious Right.

Southern Baptist; Evangelicals; Pentacostals; even Televangelist were on record in opposition to what Romney’s religion meant to them…and that they would never, ever vote for him.

And that feeling has not changed.

Mufasa[/quote]

Yeah, they didn’t like it -But then again they didn’t like the fact that Ronald Reagan was divorced when he ran back in 1980, but they got over it quickly when they heard his views on policy matters. If Romney is the nominee every person and group on the right will be behind him in order to get rid of the plague that now inhabits the White House.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:
Paul is obviously the only politician worth actually voting for, per the comments from Lifticus.

Unfortunately, he has no chance for the simple fact that he “names names”. He knows the system is rigged. Big Business and the government are in bed together and Paul points this out. He will therefore not get the financial support from these interests, unlike Obama, Bush, etc, who all play the game.

We’re fucked.[/quote]

Dude I thought you were into hip-hop. You follow politics and shit too?
[/quote]

Dustin is wrong about big business and government being in bed together they are and have been natural enemies, only uniting in rare instances.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:
Paul is obviously the only politician worth actually voting for, per the comments from Lifticus.

Unfortunately, he has no chance for the simple fact that he “names names”. He knows the system is rigged. Big Business and the government are in bed together and Paul points this out. He will therefore not get the financial support from these interests, unlike Obama, Bush, etc, who all play the game.

We’re fucked.[/quote]

Dude I thought you were into hip-hop. You follow politics and shit too?
[/quote]

Dustin is wrong about big business and government being in bed together they are and have been natural enemies, only uniting in rare instances.
[/quote]

Yeah, except for the railroads and pharma companies and agriculture and the media and the steel industry and construction and healthcare and education and oil…

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Ah, and banks.

How could I forget.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
This is absolutely the most hysterical stuff I have ever read about Ron Paul.

He is a political opportunist. Hahahahahaha! He’s the least politically ambitious person in Congress, you nitwit.

I agree some of his “old guard supporters” are shady, especially since they do not even know what the “old guard” ideal is.[/quote]

Running for President is the MOST ambitious!!!

He is lining his pockets with contributions. Find out how much he took in and how much he spent.

He votes for pork in committee and against it for show. He is phony.

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[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:
Paul is obviously the only politician worth actually voting for, per the comments from Lifticus.

Unfortunately, he has no chance for the simple fact that he “names names”. He knows the system is rigged. Big Business and the government are in bed together and Paul points this out. He will therefore not get the financial support from these interests, unlike Obama, Bush, etc, who all play the game.

We’re fucked.[/quote]

Dude I thought you were into hip-hop. You follow politics and shit too?
[/quote]

Fo show, broski!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:
Paul is obviously the only politician worth actually voting for, per the comments from Lifticus.

Unfortunately, he has no chance for the simple fact that he “names names”. He knows the system is rigged. Big Business and the government are in bed together and Paul points this out. He will therefore not get the financial support from these interests, unlike Obama, Bush, etc, who all play the game.

We’re fucked.[/quote]

Dude I thought you were into hip-hop. You follow politics and shit too?
[/quote]

Dustin is wrong about big business and government being in bed together they are and have been natural enemies, only uniting in rare instances.
[/quote]

Errr, what? What country do you live in?