Ron Paul's Chances in 2012?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
If Paul ever got nominated (he won’t) the newsletters, his conspiracy nut hanger-ons, Rockwellian history revisionists, and whatever other nuttery that seems to cling to him would be front and center in the media until election night. He doesn’t have a chance. [/quote]

They are not actually “Rockwellian” in that Rockwell is not a historian; however; given his knowledge of economics he is in better position to argue for a revisionist history than a non-economist.

And I would not call revisionism “nuttery” – rather I would say you just don’t understand the framework upon which it is based.

Unfortunately, you are correct when you say the media would focus on his “lunatic” supporters rather than the ideas he posits because the American media’s mandate is to dumb-down the American public. Not really that hard to do since most of them, like yourself, do not possess any powers of logic or reason.

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Paul is obviously the only politician worth actually voting for, per the comments from Lifticus.

Unfortunately, he has no chance for the simple fact that he “names names”. He knows the system is rigged. Big Business and the government are in bed together and Paul points this out. He will therefore not get the financial support from these interests, unlike Obama, Bush, etc, who all play the game.

We’re fucked.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
The Paultard base is Stormfront folks. [/quote]

He may well have received some support from fringe groups, but so what. Are you more afraid of some rednecks giving their water bill money to Paul, or statist cock-suckers like Obama or Bush that do whatever their Big Business handlers tell them to do?

edited-typo

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[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
The Paultard base is Stormfront folks. [/quote]

He may well have received some support from fringe groups, but so what. Are you more afraid of some rednecks giving their water bill money to Paul, or statist cock-suckers like Obama or Bush that do whatever their Big Business handlers tell them to do?

edited-typo[/quote]

If Paul’s support from anti-semites (David Duke was an early large supporter) was isolated datum, I’d agree with you.

It’s not isolated, however.

Paul has a consistently anti-Israel voting record (unique to Israel; he’s fine to violate his isolationist charade to favor anti-Israeli countries).

He wrote bizarro conspiracy theories about the Joooooos, etc.

(for the record, BTW, I am Israeli, although I happen to also have USA citizenship due to the fact both my parents are American — making me more American than Obama.)

And this false choice of “Paul” or “statist like Obama or Bush” is nonsense.

There are plenty of sane actual libertarian/conservatives out there.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

And yet his two biggest philosophical influences were Jews.

I don’t know how him getting idiots to send him money to run a campaign is any different from other campaigns. That’s typically how it’s done so you essentially have no argument, moron.[/quote]

The Paultard base is Stormfront folks. He wrote a scandal sheet for years that blamed everything on the Jooooooos. He’s a basic anti-semetic nut, who selectively plays the non-intervention card, but only when it harms Israel.

And “moron,” the difference in Paul and actual candidates who also beg for money, is, like Nader and other vanity candidates ---- and that is what Paul is a vanity candidate — is Paul has no serious intention of running a campaign.

He just wants the adulation of the Paultard crowds — and their money.
[/quote]

So the entire base is Stormfront? Besides, so what if some racists support the idea of ending the Federal resever – does that mean the rest of us are also racists because we also support that idea? You, young man, are a moron.

Also, Paul is the only person who returns any money at all. He’s the most honest person, in my opinion, in the entire Congress.

I would wager most people who support Paul (actually not Paul himself but the ideas he talks about) are way more intelligent that you Idol watchers.[/quote]

I don’t know what an “Idol watcher” is, but Paul is a fake with a good schtick.

It’s a seductive schtick, which is why he’s getting rich from Paultards that send him money.

But it’s just a schtick.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
The Paultard base is Stormfront folks. [/quote]

He may well have received some support from fringe groups, but so what. Are you more afraid of some rednecks giving their water bill money to Paul, or statist cock-suckers like Obama or Bush that do whatever their Big Business handlers tell them to do?

edited-typo[/quote]

If Paul’s support from anti-semites (David Duke was an early large supporter) was isolated datum, I’d agree with you.

It’s not isolated, however.

Paul has a consistently anti-Israel voting record (unique to Israel; he’s fine to violate his isolationist charade to favor anti-Israeli countries).

He wrote bizarro conspiracy theories about the Joooooos, etc.

(for the record, BTW, I am Israeli, although I happen to also have USA citizenship due to the fact both my parents are American — making me more American than Obama.)

And this false choice of “Paul” or “statist like Obama or Bush” is nonsense.

There are plenty of sane actual libertarian/conservatives out there. [/quote]

It may not be isolated but it is not the norm.

Besides, what do a few of his supporters have to do with the ideas he supports?

Do you even know any of his positions or are you just echoing what your Zionist masters have told you to?

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

And yet his two biggest philosophical influences were Jews.

I don’t know how him getting idiots to send him money to run a campaign is any different from other campaigns. That’s typically how it’s done so you essentially have no argument, moron.[/quote]

The Paultard base is Stormfront folks. He wrote a scandal sheet for years that blamed everything on the Jooooooos. He’s a basic anti-semetic nut, who selectively plays the non-intervention card, but only when it harms Israel.

And “moron,” the difference in Paul and actual candidates who also beg for money, is, like Nader and other vanity candidates ---- and that is what Paul is a vanity candidate — is Paul has no serious intention of running a campaign.

He just wants the adulation of the Paultard crowds — and their money.
[/quote]

So the entire base is Stormfront? Besides, so what if some racists support the idea of ending the Federal resever – does that mean the rest of us are also racists because we also support that idea? You, young man, are a moron.

Also, Paul is the only person who returns any money at all. He’s the most honest person, in my opinion, in the entire Congress.

I would wager most people who support Paul (actually not Paul himself but the ideas he talks about) are way more intelligent that you Idol watchers.[/quote]

I don’t know what an “Idol watcher” is, but Paul is a fake with a good schtick.

It’s a seductive schtick, which is why he’s getting rich from Paultards that send him money.

But it’s just a schtick.[/quote]

Haha! Paul is a fake compard to who?

Hahahahaha. Ok, that’s all I need to know to know how uninformed you are.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
The Paultard base is Stormfront folks. [/quote]

He may well have received some support from fringe groups, but so what. Are you more afraid of some rednecks giving their water bill money to Paul, or statist cock-suckers like Obama or Bush that do whatever their Big Business handlers tell them to do?

edited-typo[/quote]

If Paul’s support from anti-semites (David Duke was an early large supporter) was isolated datum, I’d agree with you.

It’s not isolated, however.

Paul has a consistently anti-Israel voting record (unique to Israel; he’s fine to violate his isolationist charade to favor anti-Israeli countries).

He wrote bizarro conspiracy theories about the Joooooos, etc.

(for the record, BTW, I am Israeli, although I happen to also have USA citizenship due to the fact both my parents are American — making me more American than Obama.)

And this false choice of “Paul” or “statist like Obama or Bush” is nonsense.

There are plenty of sane actual libertarian/conservatives out there. [/quote]

It may not be isolated but it is not the norm.

Besides, what do a few of his supporters have to do with the ideas he supports?

Do you even know any of his positions or are you just echoing what your Zionist masters have told you to?[/quote]

“what your Zionist masters”

Ah, proof of concept that Paultards are most-often anti-semites.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
The Paultard base is Stormfront folks. [/quote]

He may well have received some support from fringe groups, but so what. Are you more afraid of some rednecks giving their water bill money to Paul, or statist cock-suckers like Obama or Bush that do whatever their Big Business handlers tell them to do?

edited-typo[/quote]

If Paul’s support from anti-semites (David Duke was an early large supporter) was isolated datum, I’d agree with you.

It’s not isolated, however.

Paul has a consistently anti-Israel voting record (unique to Israel; he’s fine to violate his isolationist charade to favor anti-Israeli countries).

He wrote bizarro conspiracy theories about the Joooooos, etc.

(for the record, BTW, I am Israeli, although I happen to also have USA citizenship due to the fact both my parents are American — making me more American than Obama.)

And this false choice of “Paul” or “statist like Obama or Bush” is nonsense.

There are plenty of sane actual libertarian/conservatives out there. [/quote]

It may not be isolated but it is not the norm.

Besides, what do a few of his supporters have to do with the ideas he supports?

Do you even know any of his positions or are you just echoing what your Zionist masters have told you to?[/quote]

“what your Zionist masters”

Ah, proof of concept that Paultards are most-often anti-semites.[/quote]

I am not an anti-Semite. I just don’t think the Jews have a right to a Jewish state nor do I think it is the business of the US taxpayers to support such a notion.

BTW, I don’t vote, but I do without hesitation consider myself a Paultard – and proud of it, Shithead.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Do you even know any of his positions or are you just echoing what your Zionist masters have told you to?[/quote]

“what your Zionist masters”

Ah, proof of concept that Paultards are most-often anti-semites.[/quote]

I am not an anti-Semite. I just don’t think the Jews have a right to a Jewish state nor do I think it is the business of the US taxpayers to support such a notion.

BTW, I don’t vote, but I do without hesitation consider myself a Paultard – and proud of it, Shithead.[/quote]

You do know that Israel gets less aid than Hamasatan in Gaza, Hizbolialand in Lebanon, and Egypt, right? And the “aid” to Israel (unlike anywhere else) is returned in-kind by weapon development, deployment, production, and forward storage for the USA?

But, anyway, like I said, you are proof of concept. Scratch a Paultard, find an anti-semite (who cowardly cloaks his anti-semetism in the form of anti-Zionism).

Oh, sorry about your not voting. Felonies are a bitch.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Do you even know any of his positions or are you just echoing what your Zionist masters have told you to?[/quote]

“what your Zionist masters”

Ah, proof of concept that Paultards are most-often anti-semites.[/quote]

I am not an anti-Semite. I just don’t think the Jews have a right to a Jewish state nor do I think it is the business of the US taxpayers to support such a notion.

BTW, I don’t vote, but I do without hesitation consider myself a Paultard – and proud of it, Shithead.[/quote]

You do know that Israel gets less aid than Hamasatan in Gaza, Hizbolialand in Lebanon, and Egypt, right? And the “aid” to Israel (unlike anywhere else) is returned in-kind by weapon development, deployment, production, and forward storage for the USA?

But, anyway, like I said, you are proof of concept. Scratch a Paultard, find an anti-semite (who cowardly cloaks his anti-semetism in the form of anti-Zionism).

Oh, sorry about your not voting. Felonies are a bitch.[/quote]

Non sequitur is illogical.

Just because some other special interests wrongly get our money doesn’t mean Israel should also wrongly get our money.

You really do lack argumentation skills. But what do I know I am just a felonious Paultard…?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

You really do lack argumentation skills. But what do I know I am just a felonious Paultard…?[/quote]

Apparently nothing. Again, sorry about that not-voting. Go get a good Jewish lawyer and get it expunged.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Paul is a scam.

He’ll run, because that is his gig — getting idiots to send him money for a perenial campaign for president.

He’s like Ralph Nader, but for people who hate Jews.[/quote]

I like much of what Paul says but I think your statement is accurate. He is a political opportunist and his old guard supporters are real shady.

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This is absolutely the most hysterical stuff I have ever read about Ron Paul.

He is a political opportunist. Hahahahahaha! He’s the least politically ambitious person in Congress, you nitwit.

I agree some of his “old guard supporters” are shady, especially since they do not even know what the “old guard” ideal is.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
This is absolutely the most hysterical stuff I have ever read about Ron Paul.

He is a political opportunist. Hahahahahaha! He’s the least politically ambitious person in Congress, you nitwit.

I agree some of his “old guard supporters” are shady, especially since they do not even know what the “old guard” ideal is.[/quote]

You forgot the most important part - None of this is relevant as Paul will NEVER become President of the United States.

Who cares if his supporters are shady, Mother Theresa look alikes?

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Paul is a scam.

He’ll run, because that is his gig — getting idiots to send him money for a perenial campaign for president.

He’s like Ralph Nader, but for people who hate Jews.[/quote]

It’s amazing how many individuals will speak on subjects they remain completely ignorant of. Ron Paul’s two biggest influences are Ludwig von Mises and Murray N. Rothbard; both Jewish men. In fact, he has given speeches at The Mises Institute (www.mises.org). A man who hates Jews does not base his philosophical foundation from Jewish men.

This race-baiting crap is childish.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
The Paultard base is Stormfront folks. [/quote]

He may well have received some support from fringe groups, but so what. Are you more afraid of some rednecks giving their water bill money to Paul, or statist cock-suckers like Obama or Bush that do whatever their Big Business handlers tell them to do?

edited-typo[/quote]

If Paul’s support from anti-semites (David Duke was an early large supporter) was isolated datum, I’d agree with you.

It’s not isolated, however.

Paul has a consistently anti-Israel voting record (unique to Israel; he’s fine to violate his isolationist charade to favor anti-Israeli countries).

(for the record, BTW, I am Israeli, although I happen to also have USA citizenship due to the fact both my parents are American — making me more American than Obama.)
[/quote]

Oh, I see. You’re Israeli, that explains the hostility. So in other words, unless everyone kisses the government of Israel’s ass they’re anti-Semetic. Please. “Anti-Israel” does not translate into anti-Semetic silly. If by “anti-Israel” you mean he is not in favor of sending taxpayer dollars to its government then such a charge is absurd. Ron Paul does not favor foreign aid to ANY nation, not just Israel.

Difficult having duel loyalties to two different countries isn’t it?

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[quote]cloakmanor wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Dustin wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
The Paultard base is Stormfront folks. [/quote]

He may well have received some support from fringe groups, but so what. Are you more afraid of some rednecks giving their water bill money to Paul, or statist cock-suckers like Obama or Bush that do whatever their Big Business handlers tell them to do?

edited-typo[/quote]

If Paul’s support from anti-semites (David Duke was an early large supporter) was isolated datum, I’d agree with you.

It’s not isolated, however.

Paul has a consistently anti-Israel voting record (unique to Israel; he’s fine to violate his isolationist charade to favor anti-Israeli countries).

(for the record, BTW, I am Israeli, although I happen to also have USA citizenship due to the fact both my parents are American — making me more American than Obama.)
[/quote]

Oh, I see. You’re Israeli, that explains the hostility. So in other words, unless everyone kisses the government of Israel’s ass they’re anti-Semetic. Please. “Anti-Israel” does not translate into anti-Semetic silly. If by “anti-Israel” you mean he is not in favor of sending taxpayer dollars to its government then such a charge is absurd. Ron Paul does not favor foreign aid to ANY nation, not just Israel.

Difficult have duel loyalties to two different countries isn’t it?[/quote]

Well to be fair, most people find ot difficult to stay loyal to rationality and even one country, let alone two.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Well to be fair, most people find to difficult to stay loyal to rationality and even one country, let alone two.
[/quote]

That is partly my point.

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Ron Paul raised $5 million in 2008. Obama raised $750 million. I agree that the American public is more educated today as opposed to 2 years ago, but not enough to overcome a delta like that. The media is everything during a campaign, and they clearly went to great lenghts to discredit him in 2008. I about fell on the floor when the guy asked Ron if he had any credibility as a Republican candidate during the nationally televised Republican debate, and about hit the ceiling with a fist pump when he responded.

BTW, part of his response was edited out and not aired, hence the power of the media. Look at the bogus claims they made against Rand. They tried to make a huge deal about him “abducting a girl and making her pray to his aqua buddah”. Even when the girl openly admitted that she was with him at her own free will, the media still tried to make it look sinister.

Political opportunist? I extend the plethora of HAHAs by Lifticus.
If he can make some headway as chairman of the house subcommittee on domestic monetary policy he may catapult himself into the spotlight and as a contender.
The fact that govt documents list Ron Paul supporters as potential domestic terrorists makes me support him even more.
Ron Paul for President! Vice President…Lt. Col. Allen West.