Ron Paul Revolution

Ron Paul stuns in Arizona, upset win is game changer!

In a repeat of Iowa, where a Mitt Romney State Chairman held up accurate results of the vote for weeks, the Arizona State Convention has gone into overtime. Ballots are supposedly locked up, waiting to be counted “tomorrow.” But citizens and journalists on the floor had no trouble discerning that Ron Paul forces had seized the day and if the vote is fair, he will likely win the majority of delegates from Arizona to the Republican National Convention in Tampa.

If the victory in Arizona proves true, and remember, there is a tantalizing and suspicious delay, then Ron Paul will likely win the right to be nominated on the floor of the Republican National Convention in Tampa. It isn’t over yet, there are some Ron Paul states that have been won at the County or District level, that still need the formality of winning the state convention, but barring parliamentary jujitsu, it is on track to happen. It is big news.

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The past weekend began with infuriating news for the Ronulans, from Norman, Oklahoma, where Santorum and Romney forces united to shut out the Ron Paul people at the Oklahoma State GOP Convention. By some estimates Ron Paul supporters were a majority on the floor of the convention and thus should have walked away with another win. Others, basing the vote on an attempt to elect Ron Paul supporter, Richard Engle as national committeeman, suggested that they actually accounted for 48.2% of the state convention vote.
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Said Engle, “Under a one man, one vote scenario, I had a majority. This was acknowledged as the roll call came in from each county. When the program to apportion the votes was done 48.2% was reported. I am challenging the results and calling for a recount as the difference between victory and defeat is less than 2% as we have proof of prior mis-reporting of county numbers as well as a history of making rounding errors. Regardless, the actual majority of Delegates did support me. There is no way of knowing if that directly represents a majority for Dr. Paul.”
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And we may never know. Frightened that the Ron Paul delegates had become the majority in the convention, the establishment GOP, running the event, used its own errors in the Credentials Report to stall the convention for several hours. On the premise that the time for the convention hall rental was coming to an end they refused to hold a final vote on credentials or to acknowledge the calls for a roll call vote on the Delegates and Alternates as required under the rules.
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Said Engle, “They played fast and loose with the rules. If they had not used a roll call vote on my race I would have won and then they used a voice vote on 50 members of the Delegation and refused a roll call vote at that point. The chair ruled that a roll call was not required when the party rule was shown him in plain English. When the ruling of the chair was challenged he called for a voice vote and proceeded to rule that his decision was upheld despite the overwhelming sound of Delegates against him.”
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The final slate was 62% Romney, 22% Santorum, 4% Gingrich and 4% Ron Paul. A devastating defeat for the majority.

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Paul delegates who had give up weeks and months of their lives to get elected as delegates at the precinct and county levels were scandalized. Taking a chapter from Missouri, they tried to convene outside the venue in the parking lot, claiming a plurality and calling to do things in order. But was it too late? Challenges will surely follow.

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Meanwhile, in Phoenix, Arizona, cocky Romney forces led by Nathan Sproul saw defeat snatched from the jaws of victory. Ironically, the Ron Paul forces came to the state GOP convention to play nice. They offered a deal. “You know our knack for organizing?” They said, “You know we have the numbers? Why don’t we make sure there are no surprises and nothing embarrassing. Your candidate has the nomination, we will give you 50% plus one of the delegation to Tampa, that gives you the majority, and let us have a nice delegation of the leftovers for our man too.”

But no. The Mitt Romney forces insisted on scorched earth. “You can have one,” they said.

The Romney team then proceeded to fall apart. It was so bad that Ron Paul operative Shawn Dow couldn’t have given them a victory if he had wanted it. Said a Ron Paul staffer, “No matter how we tried, the Romney people wouldn’t move off their one delegate offer. We had no choice. We had to win.”

Sydney Hay, a Ron Paul spokesman who is sometimes seen on the Bill Mahr Show and once won a congressional nomination in Arizona , gave a positive, conciliatory speech to the convention. And Josh Romney was well received by all. And then, in a moment poorly handled, he returned to the microphone to pitch his daddy’s green ballot, with the Romney slate.

Yes, indeed, at that point there were boos but they came from the whole floor, even from Romney supporters who had worked hard to get their names considered as delegates. No one was in the mood to let outsiders dictate a list of his friends who should go to Tampa. It was yet another example of a poorly run machine. The Romney kid should never have been given such an assignment.

“Why make Josh Romney get involved in a precinct level fight for delegates?” asked Sydney Hay. “Here was a presidential candidate’s son down in the gutter in a fight. They never should have put him in this place.”

Ron Paul took 11 of 18 delegates decided in the district caucuses. It was the “at large” delegates that were left in the air. The Romney forces stalled for hours, hoping to outlast the Ronulans who stayed put as Romney delegates, disgusted with their own organization, finally began to drift away.

In a last ditch effort the Romney forces tried to declare that there was now no quorum and other motions were offered. When the vote for the “at large” delegates was finally taken it was sealed, under lock and key, with the promise that “tomorrow we will count those and sort things out.”

Uh huh.

Finally, the lights were turned out and the Ronulans were sent home, exhausted and weary, unaware that they had probably just made history and put their man into nomination at Tampa. For the Romneyites, the unthinkable had happened. It is not done yet, but Ron Paul may very well see his name entered into nomination in Tampa.

This last weekend was perhaps the most mean spirited of all. One has to wonder, if Mitt Romney has won the nomination, why canâ??t they communicate that message to the state conventions? The fact is that something bigger is happening than the nomination of a candidate. The Republican Party is being remade in the image of Ron Paul, the Thomas Jefferson of our generation. The Ronulan invasion continues. It is not a conspiracy. It is organic. It is natural. And it cannot be stopped.

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Update: Friends in Oklahoma insist that the convention which continued on the parking lot outside was indeed legal, had the quorum needed, and resulted in another win for Ron Paul. I hope they are right and we need to support that process legally and follow the challenges involved.

Romney delegates on the attack.

I may have to take back all the bad things I have said about AZ legislators , not , not but I would give them more credit than I do

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I heard an interesting conspiracy theory last night about the assassination of JFK . The person claimed he was killed by the real people that run America . He claimed that JFK would not play the game like all Presidents should , so they killed him.

IMO Romney or Obama are what all the powers in America want , (STATUS QUO)[/quote]

Yeah, I’m sure that’s it.

Or it could be that they represent two entirely different ideas about government and how it should be run.

Obama = Big government, belief in gay marriage, high taxes, pro abortion and a lot of regulation on small business.

Romney = Smaller government, belief that marriage is between one man and one woman low taxes (as he cut taxes 19 times as Governor) and he is anti-abortion. And less regulation on small business.

You see Pitt? Thinking people understand the vast differences between the two candidates. There is a real choice to make in November.

As for your conspiracy theory…Well it’s not even a theory is it? It’s just a guy claiming that something happened that didn’t.

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I doubt you will se I am right , Romney is not for small Government and he may waffle on whether boys can marry boys and girls girls ? Name one subject Romney has not waffled on ? Can’t do can you :slight_smile:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I heard an interesting conspiracy theory last night about the assassination of JFK . The person claimed he was killed by the real people that run America . He claimed that JFK would not play the game like all Presidents should , so they killed him.

IMO Romney or Obama are what all the powers in America want , (STATUS QUO)[/quote]

Yeah, I’m sure that’s it.

Or it could be that they represent two entirely different ideas about government and how it should be run.

Obama = Big government, belief in gay marriage, high taxes, pro abortion and a lot of regulation on small business.

Romney = Smaller government, belief that marriage is between one man and one woman low taxes (as he cut taxes 19 times as Governor) and he is anti-abortion. And less regulation on small business.

You see Pitt? Thinking people understand the vast differences between the two candidates. There is a real choice to make in November.

As for your conspiracy theory…Well it’s not even a theory is it? It’s just a guy claiming that something happened that didn’t.

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I doubt you will se I am right , Romney is not for small Government and he may waffle on whether boys can marry boys and girls girls ? Name one subject Romney has not waffled on ? Can’t do can you :slight_smile:
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  1. Romney has ALWAYS been for the reduction of regulation on small business, and while Governor of Massachusetts reduced those regulations.

  2. Romney was always against gay marriage. Did you read that? ALWAYS!

  3. Romney has ALWAYS been for lower taxes and in fact lowered them 19 times as Governor.

But you keep swallowing the main stream liberal media’s take on Mitt Romney. They take the gullible fill them so full of lies that they don’t know up from down.

And why would they do that?

Because if enough people really believe that Romney is no different than Obama that will suppress the republican (and pro Romney independent) vote and their hero mister under performer will get reelected.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I heard an interesting conspiracy theory last night about the assassination of JFK . The person claimed he was killed by the real people that run America . He claimed that JFK would not play the game like all Presidents should , so they killed him.

IMO Romney or Obama are what all the powers in America want , (STATUS QUO)[/quote]

Yeah, I’m sure that’s it.

Or it could be that they represent two entirely different ideas about government and how it should be run.

Obama = Big government, belief in gay marriage, high taxes, pro abortion and a lot of regulation on small business.

Romney = Smaller government, belief that marriage is between one man and one woman low taxes (as he cut taxes 19 times as Governor) and he is anti-abortion. And less regulation on small business.

You see Pitt? Thinking people understand the vast differences between the two candidates. There is a real choice to make in November.

As for your conspiracy theory…Well it’s not even a theory is it? It’s just a guy claiming that something happened that didn’t.

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I doubt you will se I am right , Romney is not for small Government and he may waffle on whether boys can marry boys and girls girls ? Name one subject Romney has not waffled on ? Can’t do can you :slight_smile:
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  1. Romney has ALWAYS been for the reduction of regulation on small business, and while Governor of Massachusetts reduced those regulations.

  2. Romney was always against gay marriage. Did you read that? ALWAYS!

  3. Romney has ALWAYS been for lower taxes and in fact lowered them 19 times as Governor.

But you keep swallowing the main stream liberal media’s take on Mitt Romney. They take the gullible fill them so full of lies that they don’t know up from down.

And why would they do that?

Because if enough people really believe that Romney is no different than Obama that will suppress the republican (and pro Romney independent) vote and their hero mister under performer will get reelected.

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This is the beginning of a major waffle :slight_smile:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=romney+waffles+&oq=romney+waffles+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=youtube-psuggest.12...286.4266.0.5929.14.13.0.1.1.1.410.2638.6j0j3j2j2.13.0...0.0.FdK6ryeucD8

didn’t work , go to youtube and search Romney waffles see all the subjects he has waffled on . It is a matter off time and he will waffle , shit he may be the first President to have Gay sex :slight_smile:

Why Ron Paul’s 2012 effort may not really be over

The Ron Paul campaign won’t run ads in upcoming primaries, but Paul is still out to make his mark at the GOP’s August convention. That means getting supporters elected as delegates and even picking up some ‘stealth’ delegates.

By Peter Grier, Staff writer / May 14, 2012

Is Ron Paul ending his official campaign for the Republican presidential nomination? That seems to be case, as he announced Monday that he wonâ??t be spending any more money in states that have not yet voted.

That would mean no Ron Paul ads in Texas, no Ron Paul travel to California, no Ron Paul pamphlets in Kentucky, and in general no Paul presence on the stump.

Continuing on â??with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have,â?? said Congressman Paul in a statement posted Monday on his campaign website.

However, does the end of the Ron Paul campaign mean the end of the Ron Paul 2012 effort? We would argue that it does not. Paul will continue to look for ways to make headlines and press forward to some sort of appearance at the GOPâ??s August convention in Tampa, Fla.

Why do we think this? First, Paul said so. In his statement today, he noted that â??we will continue to take leadership positions, win delegates, and carry a strong message to the Republican National Convention that Liberty is the way of the future."

Obviously, the Paul campaign will continue with its strategy of urging supporters to swamp state conventions and get themselves elected delegates to the national confab. As weâ??ve written before, this is a clever, cheap way of using complicated delegate-allocation rules to Paulâ??s advantage.

What the Texas libertarian may be doing is amassing â??stealth delegatesâ?? â?? delegates bound by primary or caucus vote to Mitt Romney, or one of the withdrawn GOP candidates, who are personally in favor of Paul. Itâ??s hard to count how many such delegates there are â?? or whether theyâ??ll abstain in the first round, or otherwise cause some sort of disturbance, in Tampa.

OK, Paul is not exactly winning the nomination this way. The 192 delegates at stake in California â?? a state Paul is no longer contesting â?? are more then heâ??ll pick up with his state convention-packing approach.

But â?? and this is our second point â?? we think Paul will still continue with a quasi-campaign. Sure, he may take time off, but for the most part he was already appearing at college campuses and other places where he might have gone in any case to push his libertarian agenda. There was something sly in his announcement Monday â?? he said he didnâ??t have the â??tens of millionsâ?? of bucks needed to keep going. He has millions in the bank, however, as near as we can determine, and thatâ??s enough to keep him from fading away this election cycle. If he doesnâ??t want to, that is.

Just look at his most recent money figures, as crunched by the Center for Responsive Politics. At the end of March, Paul had $1.8 million in cash on hand, with no debt. Heâ??d raised more than $2 million in the preceding 30 days.

Yes, that was a month and a half ago. Itâ??s still plenty of cash for him to jet around and appear where and when he wants to, particularly since we suspect heâ??s still raising a steady stream of cash from small donations to his online â??money bombs.â??

So whatâ??s ending? Ron Paul TV ads. Look at Paulâ??s expenditures this campaign cycle, and youâ??ll see that he has spent $15 million on communications and media services. That figure is equal to about 40 percent of the total $37 million heâ??s raised.

Mr. Romney is going to be the GOP nominee, so thereâ??s really no point in Paul wasting money on expensive air time in upcoming primary states. Instead, he can now husband his resources to continue to build his base of committed supporters. Heâ??s spent less than $2 million on air charters in the whole campaign, so continued travel to selected appearances shouldnâ??t be a financial strain.

So the official Ron Paul presidential campaign may be over. But we donâ??t think thatâ??s the same thing as an end to the Ron Paul effort to push his agenda in the months ahead.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I heard an interesting conspiracy theory last night about the assassination of JFK . The person claimed he was killed by the real people that run America . He claimed that JFK would not play the game like all Presidents should , so they killed him.

IMO Romney or Obama are what all the powers in America want , (STATUS QUO)[/quote]

Yeah, I’m sure that’s it.

Or it could be that they represent two entirely different ideas about government and how it should be run.

Obama = Big government, belief in gay marriage, high taxes, pro abortion and a lot of regulation on small business.

Romney = Smaller government, belief that marriage is between one man and one woman low taxes (as he cut taxes 19 times as Governor) and he is anti-abortion. And less regulation on small business.

You see Pitt? Thinking people understand the vast differences between the two candidates. There is a real choice to make in November.

As for your conspiracy theory…Well it’s not even a theory is it? It’s just a guy claiming that something happened that didn’t.

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I doubt you will se I am right , Romney is not for small Government and he may waffle on whether boys can marry boys and girls girls ? Name one subject Romney has not waffled on ? Can’t do can you :slight_smile:
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  1. Romney has ALWAYS been for the reduction of regulation on small business, and while Governor of Massachusetts reduced those regulations.

  2. Romney was always against gay marriage. Did you read that? ALWAYS!

  3. Romney has ALWAYS been for lower taxes and in fact lowered them 19 times as Governor.

But you keep swallowing the main stream liberal media’s take on Mitt Romney. They take the gullible fill them so full of lies that they don’t know up from down.

And why would they do that?

Because if enough people really believe that Romney is no different than Obama that will suppress the republican (and pro Romney independent) vote and their hero mister under performer will get reelected.

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This is the beginning of a major waffle :slight_smile:

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(Yawn) It’s called states rights, which every major conservative that I know of agrees with.

Got anything else?

I think I’m done with you anyway Pit you are just flat out boring.

Are you a Paul supporter?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/2012/0120/Are-you-a-true-Ron-Paul-supporter-Take-our-quiz/What-board-game-best-represents-your-vision-of-a-just-society

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I heard an interesting conspiracy theory last night about the assassination of JFK . The person claimed he was killed by the real people that run America . He claimed that JFK would not play the game like all Presidents should , so they killed him.

IMO Romney or Obama are what all the powers in America want , (STATUS QUO)[/quote]

Yeah, I’m sure that’s it.

Or it could be that they represent two entirely different ideas about government and how it should be run.

Obama = Big government, belief in gay marriage, high taxes, pro abortion and a lot of regulation on small business.

Romney = Smaller government, belief that marriage is between one man and one woman low taxes (as he cut taxes 19 times as Governor) and he is anti-abortion. And less regulation on small business.

You see Pitt? Thinking people understand the vast differences between the two candidates. There is a real choice to make in November.

As for your conspiracy theory…Well it’s not even a theory is it? It’s just a guy claiming that something happened that didn’t.

[/quote]

I doubt you will se I am right , Romney is not for small Government and he may waffle on whether boys can marry boys and girls girls ? Name one subject Romney has not waffled on ? Can’t do can you :slight_smile:
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  1. Romney has ALWAYS been for the reduction of regulation on small business, and while Governor of Massachusetts reduced those regulations.

  2. Romney was always against gay marriage. Did you read that? ALWAYS!

  3. Romney has ALWAYS been for lower taxes and in fact lowered them 19 times as Governor.

But you keep swallowing the main stream liberal media’s take on Mitt Romney. They take the gullible fill them so full of lies that they don’t know up from down.

And why would they do that?

Because if enough people really believe that Romney is no different than Obama that will suppress the republican (and pro Romney independent) vote and their hero mister under performer will get reelected.

[/quote]

This is the beginning of a major waffle :slight_smile:

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(Yawn) It’s called states rights, which every major conservative that I know of agrees with.

Got anything else?

I think I’m done with you anyway Pit you are just flat out boring.[/quote]

Nothing to do with state rights , it is all about Mitt’s multible faces

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I heard an interesting conspiracy theory last night about the assassination of JFK . The person claimed he was killed by the real people that run America . He claimed that JFK would not play the game like all Presidents should , so they killed him.

IMO Romney or Obama are what all the powers in America want , (STATUS QUO)[/quote]

Yeah, I’m sure that’s it.

Or it could be that they represent two entirely different ideas about government and how it should be run.

Obama = Big government, belief in gay marriage, high taxes, pro abortion and a lot of regulation on small business.

Romney = Smaller government, belief that marriage is between one man and one woman low taxes (as he cut taxes 19 times as Governor) and he is anti-abortion. And less regulation on small business.

You see Pitt? Thinking people understand the vast differences between the two candidates. There is a real choice to make in November.

As for your conspiracy theory…Well it’s not even a theory is it? It’s just a guy claiming that something happened that didn’t.

[/quote]

I doubt you will se I am right , Romney is not for small Government and he may waffle on whether boys can marry boys and girls girls ? Name one subject Romney has not waffled on ? Can’t do can you :slight_smile:
[/quote]

  1. Romney has ALWAYS been for the reduction of regulation on small business, and while Governor of Massachusetts reduced those regulations.

  2. Romney was always against gay marriage. Did you read that? ALWAYS!

  3. Romney has ALWAYS been for lower taxes and in fact lowered them 19 times as Governor.

But you keep swallowing the main stream liberal media’s take on Mitt Romney. They take the gullible fill them so full of lies that they don’t know up from down.

And why would they do that?

Because if enough people really believe that Romney is no different than Obama that will suppress the republican (and pro Romney independent) vote and their hero mister under performer will get reelected.

[/quote]

This is the beginning of a major waffle :slight_smile:

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(Yawn) It’s called states rights, which every major conservative that I know of agrees with.

Got anything else?

I think I’m done with you anyway Pit you are just flat out boring.[/quote]

Nothing to do with state rights , it is all about Mitt’s multible faces
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Because that’s what you’re media guru’s have spoon fed you. But you see Pitt if you had cracked a book like I asked you to you’d understand that traditionally conservatives are for less consolidated power in the hands of the federal government. Conservatives are for states rights. They believe that the each state has a right to decide these things for themselves.

Now you run along there must be something on MSNBC that you can gobble up.

Gee, what do you suppose this means?

http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-suspends-us-presidential-campaign-185854237.html

His supporters will say that he’s doing so well that he doesn’t need to campaign in any other states.

I’m being serious, I wonder how the blind faithful will spin this one.

Moving Forward: Mitt Romney, Tampa and The rEVOLution
PAULitical ticker >> with Jack Hunter

Let me be blunt: Mitt Romney represents the same, old Republican Party I’ve been fighting against my entire adult life. The question today is, to what degree is the GOP the same, old Republican Party? To what degree will it remain the same, old Republican Party?

When I signed on with the 2012 Ron Paul campaign I viewed it as Part 2 of the Part 1 of our movement that Paul had inspired in 2008. Before 2008, the Republican Party was a depressing wilderness, offering absolutely nothing for constitutional conservatives. I had supported Pat Buchanan’s presidential runs in 1996 and 2000 in my early 20â??s because he was the only candidate willing to take on the neoconservatives who were steadily influencing American foreign policy. With the election of George W. Bush, the neoconservatives would dominate on foreign policy. The GOP became so obsessed with championing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that the party became little more than apologists for big government so long as it was Republican. Medicare Plan D, No Child Left Behind, doubling our national debt, destroying the 4th amendment with The Patriot Act-nobody cared. That period of the GOP was all about support for war at any cost, literally. At the 2008 RNC convention, neocon liberal Joe Lieberman was even given a prime time speaking spot while strict constitutionalist Ron Paul wasn’t even allowed in the building.

Like I said, during that time there was literally nothing of worth to constitutional conservatives in the Republican Party.

This is no longer true.

In his quest to save America, Ron Paul is also saving the Republican Party.

The Democrat-lite, big government hacks and neoconservative maniacs who still think the George W. Bush model represents Republicanism defined-and believe me, they do-are quickly becoming yesterday’s news. Yes, they’re still there, and yes, they still have much influence.

But that influence is shrinking. Their base is shrinking. Want to know why more than half the votes cast by the under 30 crowd in each GOP primary state were for Ron Paul? Because the rising generation of libertarians and conservatives understand something many of their elders don’t-that we can’t afford the status quo anymore. Sure, many Americans share Paul’s young supporters fear that the country is going bankrupt, yet they still jealously guard the entitlements that are bankrupting us, or can’t imagine the U.S. not being militarily engaged all over the world, another massive drain on American taxpayers. The rising generation does not have these attachments. In fact, they can’t wait to detach themselves from them. American youth don’t expect to ever see Social Security or Medicare. Nor do they find it particularly strange that perhaps America shouldn’t police the world anymore.

In short, while the GOP establishment’s base is shrinking, Ron Paul’s is growing. For the first time in a long time-the Republican Party might actually become the limited government party it has always pretended to be. This is due to the ideas and influence of Ron Paul.

This is not wishful thinking on my part. Last month, renowned pollster John Zogby broke down the numbers at Forbes , citing what he calls “First Globals” (18-29 year olds):

[i]Mitt Romney has spent months selling himself to the Republican base. Now, Barack Obama is working overtime trying to re-sell himself to his base of voters age 18-29. Team Obama knows that hard times and the growing libertarian leanings of young voters will make them a more difficult target than four years ago…

However, on some key issues, majorities of First Globals are not doctrinaire liberals. The poll found less than majorities agree with liberals on some of their most cherished beliefs. For example: 44% agree health insurance is a right government should provide for those who can’t afford it, 43% agree with the same statement about food and shelter, 37% agree government should spend more to reduce poverty, 20% agree government spending is an effective way to economic growth…

Lest Republicans get too giddy at those findings, they should also know less than majorities agree with these conservative and neo-con ideals: 22% agree it’s sometimes necessary to attack potentially hostile countries rather than waiting until we are attacked, 23% are willing to give up some personal freedoms for the sake of national security…

These attitudes betraying both the traditional left and right fall generally within the bounds of libertarianism. Live and let live. Individual responsibility is as important as collective responsibility. Avoid military interventions. Distrust both government and corporations. Protect civil liberties.

[b]Young voters have been the energy behind Ron Paul…

Ron Paul and his supporters have not yet taken over the Republican Party. But they are taking over the Republican Party.[/b] In many states, Paul supporters have become significant parts of the GOP apparatus and even Republican Party leaders. I remember the head of the Iowa GOP saying that Ron Paul shouldn’t be allowed in the next debate after Paul’s spat with Rudy Giuliani about “blowback” in 2007. That same position in Iowa is now held by a Ron Paul supporter.

It is Paul’s ideas of liberty and individual freedom that are winning the day. There has been much written about how Ron Paulâ??s ideas about the Federal Reserve, sound money, civil liberties and even foreign policy have become standard Republican talking points. But more importantly, only Paulâ??s ideas address the emerging attitudes and concerns cited by Zogby. Conventional liberalism is bankrupt, and with Obama in office millions of Americans have come to this realization. But also conventional Republicanism, or establishment â??conservatism,â?? is bankrupt, which millions of Americans learned under Bush and still see in too many Republican candidates. Paulâ??s constitutional conservatism is as old as the Founding Fathers, yet refreshing and new to a whole new generation. We could very well see an electorate emerging that doesnâ??t even immediately identify with conservatism or the GOP per se, but that is still more conservative in a true limited government sense than the current Republican partisans who brandish that label.

These are Ron Paulâ??s supporters. They are the future.

When I signed on with the campaign, we were all in it to make Ron Paul President of the United States. But I knew that even if Dr. Paul did not get the nomination, this fightâ??our fightâ??would be the most important political course of action in 2012.

Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012 is the Barry Goldwater campaign in 1960 and 1964. Goldwater failed twice in trying to win electoral victories (VP slot in 1960, President in â??64) but the Arizona Senatorâ??s campaigns changed the Republican Party forever. Ask Ronald Reagan.

Likewise, the Texas Congressmanâ??s two campaigns are changing the Republican Party before our very eyes. Ask Rand Paul. Ask Justin Amash. Ask Thomas Massie, Kurt Bills or any of the other countless liberty candidates running for national office in 2012â??who actually have a shot at winning those offices. Ask the liberty candidates who end up running in 2014, 2016 and beyond how much Ron Paul has changed the Republican Party.

[b]Ask meâ??before Ron Paul I had little to no hope for this country. Today, Iâ??m filled with hope thanks to Paul and his movement. In saving the Republican Party, Ron Paul also, at least politically, saved me.

By most accounts, Mitt Romney will likely be the Republican nominee. Though still confusing, the delegate counts are what they are. This is significant. But from the perspective of any Paul supporter, a nominee Romney should be far less significant than it sounds.

If Romney loses the general election, we will have to endure another 4 painful years of Obamaâ??but the Ron Paul movement remains, and the Republican Party will continue to be cast even more in the mold of Ron Paul.

If Mitt Romney wins the election, there will be a different dynamic in the GOP than what we suffered through under Bush.[/b] There was no conservative pushback against Bushâ??s big government offenses because, as I noted earlier, there was really no conservatism to be found in the Republican Party. Now we have Senator Rand Paul, and regular allies like Senators Mike Lee and Jim DeMint. We have Congressman Justin Amash. We have a number of Ron Paul-inspired candidates running in 2012 that might be joining these leaders on Capitol Hill. There will be even more in 2014. [b]If a President Romney were to insist on protecting and expanding the status quo, like Bush did, there is a genuinely liberty-minded and limited government wing of the Republican Party to resist any such agenda. This is the first time this has occurred in my lifetime.

The current fight over the direction of the Republican Party will continue to be fought whether or not a Republican or Democrat wins the next presidential election. And that fight has been defined, and will continue to be defined, by the philosophy and person of Ron Paul.

The campaign will continue to rack up delegates, and needs to rack up as many delegates as possible, so that we roll into Tampa with as much influence as possible. Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton has stressed that rewriting not only some platform tenetsâ??but also, and perhaps most importantly, standing Republican rulesâ??will be necessary to loosen the establishmentâ??s stranglehold on the process and to give future liberty candidates some leverage.

Running for office has always been about two things: Winning elections and building coalitions. The latter is as important as the former, precisely because you canâ??t eventually win elections without first building coalitions. [/b]Ask coalition-builder Goldwater and election-winner Reagan. The coalition weâ??ve builtâ??and continue to buildâ??will withstand and triumph over anything that happens in this particular election. [b]What we represent is bigger than Mitt Romney. Seriously.

This is precisely why Ron Paul is not suspending his campaign or dropping out. He canâ??t. This campaign remains the most important in the entire 2012 race, no matter how little the mainstream media gets it, or even if sometimes Paul supporters donâ??t get it. Ups and downs, confusion, happiness and sometimes bewilderment are inherent in any genuine grassroots movement. But we canâ??t lose focus of the big picture.

I signed on with this campaign for Part 2 of the Revolution that Paul began in 2008. After Tampa, we will begin Parts 3, 4, 5 and however many are necessary until this movement triumphs philosophically, ideologically, electorallyâ??totally.

And we will. This is why itâ??s vitally important not to give up on Part 2 before it is complete. Even if he wins, I predict Mitt Romney will be an asterisk in the history booksâ??while Ron Paul and his movement will help write the history books.

Ron Paul is the most important political figure of our time. In time, the whole world will know it.[/b]

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/05/15/moving-forward-mitt-romney-tampa-and-the-revolution/

Yhea that’s all well and good kneedragger, but the choice is either Romney or Obama. And everyone with a functioning brain stem knows that Romney is more conservative than Obama.

So…that’s pretty much the choice.

Keep knocking Romney and put up with Obama for four more years.

Pretty simple.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Yhea that’s all well and good kneedragger, but the choice is either Romney or Obama. And everyone with a functioning brain stem knows that Romney is more conservative than Obama.

So…that’s pretty much the choice.

Keep knocking Romney and put up with Obama for four more years.

Pretty simple.[/quote]

As we get closer and closer to GE, Romney will not be nearly as conservative as he was in the Primaries.

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Yhea that’s all well and good kneedragger, but the choice is either Romney or Obama. And everyone with a functioning brain stem knows that Romney is more conservative than Obama.

So…that’s pretty much the choice.

Keep knocking Romney and put up with Obama for four more years.

Pretty simple.[/quote]

As we get closer and closer to GE, Romney will not be nearly as conservative as he was in the Primaries.[/quote]

I hope that’s the case I want him to beat your hero.

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:

These are Ron Paul’s supporters. They are the future.

[/quote]

Maybe you’re right.

“A revolution can be neither made nor stopped. The only thing that can be done is for one of several of its children to give it a direction by dint of victories.” Bonaparte