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0r just for any Romney supporter
Often Romney supporters claim he is different than Barry. Yet the truth is that Romney is the EXACT SAME as our current president! Maybe just in a different party. Read the below link for evidence of the claim I am making.
http://www.nationofchange.org/mysterious-mitt-5-big-issues-romney-ducking-1336568856
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Often Romney supporters claim he is different than Barry. Yet the truth is that Romney is the EXACT SAME as our current president! Maybe just in a different party.
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Romney is NOT the same as the community organiser. No comparison. It’s just more of the same RP gibberish.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Zeb-
0r just for any Romney supporter
Often Romney supporters claim he is different than Barry. Yet the truth is that Romney is the EXACT SAMEas our current president! Maybe just in a different party. Read the below link for evidence of the claim I am making.[/quote]
And that’s exactly what the democrats want everyone to believe. This they hope will surpress voter turnout for Romney.
The facts:
Romney cut taxes as a Governor 19 times!
Romney has pledged to end Obamacare and will do so if only to appease those who helped get him elected. If there is on thing that Rommey is it is smart. And he knows that to get reelected he must end Obamacare and he will!
Romney made over 200 million dollars in business which proves that he understands economics far better than Obama. What was Obama before he rose to power as a Senator? A community organizer and a lawyer.
Romeny was a Chief executive of a state and of a business he knows how to lead!
Romney will appoint judges that are more conservative than say Sonya Sotomayer!
The list of differences is endless…You’re too smart to buy into the Romney is the same as Obama lie.
Ron Paul is not going to be President so who do you want? Four more years of Obama, or perhaps someone who can actually help the country move forward?
There is a choice don’t buy into the lie!
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Often Romney supporters claim he is different than Barry. Yet the truth is that Romney is the EXACT SAME as our current president! Maybe just in a different party.
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Romney is NOT the same as the community organiser. No comparison. It’s just more of the same RP gibberish.[/quote]
Funny.
RP gibberish?
From a MR supporter?
Naaaaaaaaaa…
Yup, the pictures prove the only differences they share ; )
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Often Romney supporters claim he is different than Barry. Yet the truth is that Romney is the EXACT SAME as our current president! Maybe just in a different party.
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Romney is NOT the same as the community organiser. No comparison. It’s just more of the same RP gibberish.[/quote]
So the Democrats are the ones who have supported Ron Paul. The conventions for the GOOD Dr. are actually more Democrats than Paul’s supporters.
Romney cutting taxes at the state level means nothing when he supports the current war machine. If Romney is so smart why doesn’t he come out and be consistent? He will be just like every politician before him. Provide evidence otherwise.
This was about Romney and Paul, NOT Barry shakes head in wonder
How far behind others is Paul in the campaign money he has? Wait, talk about business and Barry again.
Ron Paul not being President is nothing more than your opinion. How many times has Ron changed his stance on a given political issue? Compare that number with Romney.
Look Zeb, I want nothing but the best for my country. Romney is talented in some ares but how are his stances consistent? Tell me Ron changes his stance on a single topic.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
And that’s exactly what the democrats want everyone to believe. This they hope will surpress voter turnout for Romney.
The facts:
Romney cut taxes as a Governor 19 times!
Romney has pledged to end Obamacare and will do so if only to appease those who helped get him elected. If there is on thing that Rommey is it is smart. And he knows that to get reelected he must end Obamacare and he will!
Romney made over 200 million dollars in business which proves that he understands economics far better than Obama. What was Obama before he rose to power as a Senator? A community organizer and a lawyer.
Romeny was a Chief executive of a state and of a business he knows how to lead!
Romney will appoint judges that are more conservative than say Sonya Sotomayer!
The list of differences is endless…You’re too smart to buy into the Romney is the same as Obama lie.
Ron Paul is not going to be President so who do you want? Four more years of Obama, or perhaps someone who can actually help the country move forward?
There is a choice don’t buy into the lie!
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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So the Democrats are the ones who have supported Ron Paul. The conventions for the GOOD Dr. are actually more Democrats than Paul’s supporters.[/quote]
Pay attention…I said that the democrats want you (Paul supporters and anyone who will listen) to believe that there is no difference between Romney and Obama.
It means everything when one candidate has cut taxes 19 times as a Governor and his opponent has never seen a tax that he didn’t like and wouldn’t support.
So don’t say there’s no difference because that is a HUGE difference!
Well…I don’t know of any dumb people that graduate from Harvard with a degree in business and also one in law. Nor have I heard of any dumb people who’ve made over 200 million bucks in their own business. Look, he’s a politician and just like any politician he’s going to try to get elected and then reelected. And you don’t get reelected by supporting Obamacare…That is a no brainer since about 67% of the people are against it. Why don’t you put down the Paul talking points and actually think for yourself?
Ron Paul will support Mitt Romney at or prior to the convention. Pauls not going to be President it will either be Obama or Romney-- Wake up!
Who cares? It’s over open your eyes.
Ron Paul not being President is a whole lot more than just my opinion. If you paid attention to what’s actually happening you’d realize this.
There you go again. Paul can be the most consistent man who ever lived but it doesn’t matter he’s ABSOLUTELY NOT going to be the party nominee! So it doesn’t matter. What matters is do you want another four years of Obama. If you do then stay home and don’t vote for Romney. Simple!
By the way I like Ron Paul as a human being I think he’s a really great guy. And I bet that Romney gives him some sort of cabinet post. And there may also be a spot for Rand Paul as well, maybe even on the ticket who knows.
You have to start looking ahead my friend.
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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Often Romney supporters claim he is different than Barry. Yet the truth is that Romney is the EXACT SAME as our current president! Maybe just in a different party.
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Romney is NOT the same as the community organiser. No comparison. It’s just more of the same RP gibberish.[/quote]
Funny.
RP gibberish?
From a MR supporter?
Naaaaaaaaaa…[/quote]
Okay so I didn’t bother reading the article. Really, I don’t understand why people think Romney needs Ron Paul and his 5%er headbangers. So he draws a few a independents and swing voters. So what? He’s a screwball. Romney would be better off appealing to Reagan Democrats and people concerned about the economy and exposing Obamaland for what it is.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Often Romney supporters claim he is different than Barry. Yet the truth is that Romney is the EXACT SAME as our current president! Maybe just in a different party.
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Romney is NOT the same as the community organiser. No comparison. It’s just more of the same RP gibberish.[/quote]
Funny.
RP gibberish?
From a MR supporter?
Naaaaaaaaaa…[/quote]
Okay so I didn’t bother reading the article. Really, I don’t understand why people think Romney needs Ron Paul and his 5%er headbangers. So he draws a few a independents and swing voters. So what? He’s a screwball. Romney would be better off appealing to Reagan Democrats and people concerned about the economy and exposing Obamaland for what it is.[/quote]
Because those headbangers are taking over the Republican party right now along with the teabaggers.
No Republican future without them, because unlike Newtonites and Santorumbots they actually stay and vote when the rubber hits the road.
Incidentally, the decisions are made by those who show up.
Reality Check: All Republican Delegates Are “Free Agents” and Unbound?
Ben Swann takes a look at why all the delegates headed to the Republican National Convention may be unbound on the first round of voting.
Soon this back and forth will grow tiresome. My views can and do change when shown evidence to the counterpoint. This applies to any topic, especially a scientific one.
I see an opinion, like chocolate vs vanilla ice cream ; )
[quote] It means everything when one candidate has cut taxes 19 times as a Governor and his opponent has never seen a tax that he didn’t like and wouldn’t support.
So don’t say there’s no difference because that is a HUGE difference![/quote]
So the opponent you support, likes specific taxes. Good to know, the wars he has a desire to fight, need to be funded by the government and have to be paid for them one way or another. Rather than taxes, they will be called “fees.” Good to know thumb up
[quote]Well…I don’t know of any dumb people that graduate from Harvard with a degree in business and also one in law.[/quote] So now we should be basing our choices on degrees? First, Paul has a PhD. And I will make my own mind up, thank you very much. Just FYI,my brother is going to law school and he will have a business and law degree in four years. I sure wouldn’t want him running our country just because he goes to college for eight years. [quote] Nor have I heard of any dumb people who’ve made over 200 million bucks in their own business. [/quote] So now its an arbitrary number we look for? [quote] Look, he’s a politician and just like any politician he’s going to try to get elected and then reelected. And you don’t get reelected by supporting Obamacare…That is a no brainer since about 67% of the people are against it. Why don’t you put down the Paul talking points and actually think for yourself? [/quote] So you don’t like my opinions and I should just follow your stance? Should we go for just this one topic, or do I need to run all of my political options by you first? Or how about all my own life choices? Will you come make all the hard decisions life throws my way, for me? Will it be free? What credentials do you have to back your position?
Again Zeb, I will decide for myself long before I listen to others and their opinions. Thanks for believing I am too weak minded and feeble to think for myself. I personally like that the IRS will be abolished after eliminating the income tax. You are free to hang with the fees though.
[quote] Ron Paul will support Mitt Romney at or prior to the convention. Pauls not going to be President it will either be Obama or Romney-- Wake up! [/quote] Is that ANOTHER opinion?? Sure sounds like it. Provide evidence to your claim.
[quote]Who cares? It’s over open your eyes.[/quote] Still have a few months if I am not mistaken.
Ron Paul not being President is a whole lot more than just my opinion. If you paid attention to what’s actually happening you’d realize this. [/quote] I bolded the part of my question you failed to even address, because YOU chose to ignore the two queries. They are right before your last opinion, again with no evidence.
[quote] There you go again. Paul can be the most consistent man who ever lived but it doesn’t matter he’s ABSOLUTELY NOT going to be the party nominee! So it doesn’t matter. What matters is do you want another four years of Obama. If you do then stay home and don’t vote for Romney. Simple! [/quote] There you go again with your simpleton opinions. shrug
[quote] By the way I like Ron Paul as a human being I think he’s a really great guy. And I bet that Romney gives him some sort of cabinet post. And there may also be a spot for Rand Paul as well, maybe even on the ticket who knows. [/quote] Now you are predicting the future cabinet posts? Did you know Barry would screw this country up like he has? I didn’t know how but I knew Barry WOULD tear this country at her seams. Which he is. I have similar reservations for Romney.
[quote] You have to start looking ahead my friend. [/quote] Don’t worry Zeb I know how I will vote in every single election, almost without fail! Can you tell me that you chose every candidate through a single topic? Well I can! I choose simply and consistently. Never once have two candidates voted the same on the given topic. If they hypothetically were the same I could go down a list and vote from there.
Want to guess what that is? Want a hint? They respect ALL life, from the very binging until the very end of natural life.
I heartily and honestly believe until we have a President who also has the same respect for life, our country will never turn herself around. Show me with Romney’s voting record that he would repeal Roe v Wade. Please try to convince me he has the same zeal as Paul on the topic. Until that day comes along I will support a candidate who has the pro-life record.
The best part, one who is pro-life tends to follow MY stance on every other topic down the line. Now please do NOT take my stance as any kind of insult on any future topics we both converse over. Also, how about you start a Romney thread and you can write to your hearts content about all of us Paulbots. However I know that would never happen ; )
Here is a site to show the majority of my points, especially on taxes. More accurately on Dr. Paul’s stances - Ron Paul on Tax Reform
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The fact that people on here claim that Obama is far left just goes to show how well the propaganda machine in the U.S. works. Extraordinary![/quote]
Yeah, we all know that Obama is a right wing conservative. Those lying bastards![/quote]
Yes and we all know what a committed socialist he is as well. His record speaks…[/quote]
If you understood even a little of how American politics works you would know that if a President wants to move either left or right he does so in increments. Some large some not so large. In his first term he passed the biggest government take over and control of individual rights in the history of the country, national health care. This was against the wishes of about 70% of the American people as well. In his second term he will move even further to the left as there will be no electorate to answer to.
Yes, he’s the most liberal President that we’ve ever had. But this would have been well known by the people had the press done their job. But they were busy trying to get Obama elected.
Stop playing the part of clueless Internet poster…You are playing right?
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I would certainly challenge your assertion about the largest take over and control of individual rights being the health care plan.[/quote]
When you control such a large part of the economy you control it’s population. That’s why I laugh at the idiots who scream for “free” health care. As you’ve no doubt heard before, a government large enough to give you everything you need is also large enough to take everything that you have!
Control of the economy is by the private banking industry - not a national health care plan! Obama is a socialist - for the ultra rich.
Thank you for further proving my point.
You were wrong on your point. The Patriot Act is the most egregious personal rights grab over the general populace ever in the history of this country.
Not at all true. Most Americans are against national health care. And there is a good reason for that, 75% of Americans are very happy with their current health care. Obama did this to help the roughly 15% without health care. And that was nothing but a power grab by this progressive President.[/quote]
Actually this is true and has been so for decades. Americans want control over the unbelievable rising costs in our private run healthcare system. Their is something fundamentally wrong with a healthcare system that puts profits over health.[/quote]
No it isn’t true and simply saying it is doesn’t make it so…sorry.
I was a little off there are more Americans that are happy with their own health care than I originally thought.
“A combined 82% rate their healthcare as either excellent or good, which is on par with previous years.”
This is sort of like Congress. When people are polled “what do you think of Congress” they get low ratings. But, when asked, “what do you think of your own Congressman” the person gets high ratings.
As I said the overwhelmng majority of Americans are Happy with their health care and DO NOT want Obamacare!
[quote]. Why should the public be gouged with outrageous healthcare costs? So we can keep the pharmaceutical companies and the like incredibly rich? Why should the public suffer the consequences?
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And the answer to that is competition. By the way Americans are more happy with their health care than any other industrialized nation.
Now stop the nonsense.
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So the answer -according to you- as to why Americans pay about twice as much for healthcare is competition? Seriously?
Why aren’t the government run aspects of healthcare increasing in costs the way the private sector is?
And if you really believe that people are happy paying twice as much for anything to get less than stellar results, you my friend ae blind.
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I just posted a survey which clearly demonstrates that most are happy with their health care.
You don’t like it? Too bad those are the facts!
If you’re not happy with your health care and you want others to pay your way just admit it. Because that’s all national health care is. Those who have worked hard for their money handing some of it to those who have not worked for it and don’t deserve it.
And that sucks for those of us who work hard and don’t feel a compulsion to pay for your health care.
Honestly liberals are not good for my health because they make me sick to my stomach![/quote]
Big deal. You posted a survey. How was the survey conducted? What questions were asked and in what way? Polls can be used as a way to guide people to come out with the answers wanted by those who fund the poll itself.It has been well known for decades that Americans favor some form of government run healthcare system. It has only been talked about recently because some major sectors of American power were starting to push back (manufacturing sector). It costs an extra $1,000 to produce a car in Detroit than it does in Canada because of the outrageous costs of healthcare, for example.
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Every survey taken on the topic has pretty much come out to the same thing. Americans are happy with their health care. And if you don’t believe all the polls regarding how happy they are all you have to do is look at all the polls which clearly show Obamacare to be unpopular. Now why would that be if Americans were unhappy with their health care? Think about that.
[quote]The cost of American healthcare is a big deal and one of the reasons for a climbing deficit. What I want is a more efficient system that benefits the majority of the population for less costs. And that can be achieved as it is being done so in other 1st world countries. Our system should not be designed in order to enrich those at the expense of others.
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Do you even know what you just said?
The system should not be designed to enrich others? But that IS the capitalist system. What we need is to open the borders and have a true free market health insurance system. So that more people might be enriched–More and better competition will drive down costs.
Show me how it’s fair that I have to pay for your health care because I make a lot of money and you are poor.
Honestly, do those on the left even think before spewing this nonsense?[/quote]
There have been plenty of surveys that say the exact opposite of what you say. Americans have for decades believed there should be some form of universal healthcare.
Yes you made my point. It is the capitalist system to enrich some at the expense of others.
What we need is open borders? Like NAFTA?
Please explain to me why a person who makes good money should force others who don’t to pay outrageous healthcare costs?
This country is a one-party country. Half of it is called Republican and half is called Democrat. It doesn’t make any difference. All the really good ideas belong to the libertarians. ? Hugh Downs
There is a nice map on the website provided at the bottom.
The Real 2012 Delegate Count for the Republican Primaries & Caucuses
2012 Real Time Map
(May 11 6:15 EDT)
We received an email from Mark who wanted to know how our delegate count could possibly be so low. The reason for that is because we only assign delegates after the state convention is held and delegates have been selected rather than guessing like the AP does. I asked Ben Swann to share how that process works so that we could answer Mark’s question. Here was his response
"Actually it is really not that complicated. The process runs like this: Primary or caucus in any given state and a vote is taken where voters are able to decide who their “preference” is for the nominee. In the primary that is all show.
The real contest is for delegates. They are selected through a variety of processes depending on the states. In some states, voters cast a ballot for delegates at the polls and in other states delegates apply for the position. Once selected, delegates on to county or district caucuses. Many times that can equate to thousands of delegates in any given state.
Again, depending on the states some delegates will attend Congressional District conferences and At Large delegate conferences. These votes are held at various times after the first primary or caucus and are culminated by the state Republican convention. At the convention slates of delegates are postured and manuvered, it is a chance for delegates to be “elected” or chosen by other delegates in attendance.
At the conclusion of the state Republican convention each state will select their national delegates as well as a group of alternates. It is only after that selection process takes place that we really know how many delegates a candidate has.
Consider in contrast who the AP determines delegates: When the primary or caucus is held in any given state, the AP takes the number of delegates allotted to that state and divides the total by the percentage of the vote gained by the candidate in the election. Even though no state convention has been held, the AP projects the number of delegates who will be “required” to vote for a candidate. If have seen Reality Check recently then you know there is precedent for why delegates are not bound.
The way you all are listing delegates is the most “fair” way to do so because you are not guessing and yet you will have a very clear count by the middle to end of June.
Hope this helps
B"
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
There have been plenty of surveys that say the exact opposite of what you say. Americans have for decades believed there should be some form of universal healthcare.[/quote]
You see Americans HATE government run health care.
Now post all the polls that show Americans love government run health care. I couldn’t find any.
When someone sells goods or services they are entitled to make money from their efforts. And if they have a really good product or service they may even become wealthy. And if they do become wealthy that means that a whole lot of people really liked the goods or services that were provided. You see everyone wins.
You don’t like the capitalist system? Then get your socialist ass out of the country and move to a country where the government can tell you how much to make, what to eat, where to work what sort of health care you can have and when to take a crap.
Personally, I enjoy freedom!
[quote]Please explain to me why a person who makes good money should force others who don’t to pay outrageous healthcare costs?
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In a competitive market you will actually pay less, you don’t understand that? (eye roll)
In a free market system various businesses battle it out for your dollar. This drives the price down not up. that’s how it works chump!
You’re wasting my time with your drivel do some reading on capitalism.
kneedragger79, you’re a nice guy and a real fan of Ron Paul that’s obvious. But he’s not getting the republican nomination. And it’s not worth posting a line by line retort. At the same time I wonder who is helped by trying to keep this ghost alive? Certainly not all the young and impressionable followers of Paul. I think most of them are rational enough to have come to conclusion that Paul is not going to win. But then there are others like you. Maybe you’re just trying to have some debate fun, who knows? I’m hoping that’s the reason you’ve wasted your time with this nonsense.
All I can say is that when Paul loses the nomination I hope you are as zealous for getting Obama out of office as you appear to be right now for Ron Paul.
One more thing, when Romney captures the nomination it is only human nature to want to rub your nose in the fact that you were 100% wrong! And I want to warn you right now that I am only all too human.
Zeb, have I ever given you any kind of reason to think I want another four years, of Barry? The worst president in my lifetime and arguably our countries history? Now please tell me you will follow your own advice if, God forbid you are wrong? As of this posting, this all happened almost an hour ago. - http://www.policymic.com/articles/8256/ron-paul-supporters-chased-by-mitt-romney-at-oklahoma-republican-state-convention -
[quote]ZEB wrote:
kneedragger79, you’re a nice guy and a real fan of Ron Paul that’s obvious. But he’s not getting the republican nomination. And it’s not worth posting a line by line retort. At the same time I wonder who is helped by trying to keep this ghost alive? Certainly not all the young and impressionable followers of Paul. I think most of them are rational enough to have come to conclusion that Paul is not going to win. But then there are others like you. Maybe you’re just trying to have some debate fun, who knows? I’m hoping that’s the reason you’ve wasted your time with this nonsense.
All I can say is that when Paul loses the nomination I hope you are as zealous for getting Obama out of office as you appear to be right now for Ron Paul.
One more thing, when Romney captures the nomination it is only human nature to want to rub your nose in the fact that you were 100% wrong! And I want to warn you right now that I am only all too human.
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I heard an interesting conspiracy theory last night about the assassination of JFK . The person claimed he was killed by the real people that run America . He claimed that JFK would not play the game like all Presidents should , so they killed him.
IMO Romney or Obama are what all the powers in America want , (STATUS QUO)
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Zeb, have I ever given you any kind of reason to think I want another four years, of Barry? The worst president in my lifetime and arguably our countries history? Now please tell me you will follow your own advice if, God forbid you are wrong? As of this posting, this all happened almost an hour ago. - http://www.policymic.com/articles/8256/ron-paul-supporters-chased-by-mitt-romney-at-oklahoma-republican-state-convention -
[quote]ZEB wrote:
kneedragger79, you’re a nice guy and a real fan of Ron Paul that’s obvious. But he’s not getting the republican nomination. And it’s not worth posting a line by line retort. At the same time I wonder who is helped by trying to keep this ghost alive? Certainly not all the young and impressionable followers of Paul. I think most of them are rational enough to have come to conclusion that Paul is not going to win. But then there are others like you. Maybe you’re just trying to have some debate fun, who knows? I’m hoping that’s the reason you’ve wasted your time with this nonsense.
All I can say is that when Paul loses the nomination I hope you are as zealous for getting Obama out of office as you appear to be right now for Ron Paul.
One more thing, when Romney captures the nomination it is only human nature to want to rub your nose in the fact that you were 100% wrong! And I want to warn you right now that I am only all too human.
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IMO Barry is no different than Bush , Clinton, or any other President other than REAGAN (THE WORST) Barry is more conservative than Reagan was. The Republicans have a machine they turn against any Democrat that occupies the White House. It is so compelling and unrelenting that it gains traction. I do not know if you remember the Clinton years . Clinton was secretly flying Cocaine into Little Rock , He had Vince foster Killed for boinking Hillary. The list goes on and on . It is the same strategy they are using on Obama . Not American , secret Muslim ,Chicago Mafia ,
The real problem with Barry is he is a Democrat and the Republicans are no better
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I heard an interesting conspiracy theory last night about the assassination of JFK . The person claimed he was killed by the real people that run America . He claimed that JFK would not play the game like all Presidents should , so they killed him.
IMO Romney or Obama are what all the powers in America want , (STATUS QUO)[/quote]
Yeah, I’m sure that’s it.
Or it could be that they represent two entirely different ideas about government and how it should be run.
Obama = Big government, belief in gay marriage, high taxes, pro abortion and a lot of regulation on small business.
Romney = Smaller government, belief that marriage is between one man and one woman low taxes (as he cut taxes 19 times as Governor) and he is anti-abortion. And less regulation on small business.
You see Pitt? Thinking people understand the vast differences between the two candidates. There is a real choice to make in November.
As for your conspiracy theory…Well it’s not even a theory is it? It’s just a guy claiming that something happened that didn’t.
