[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
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I still think you’re a useless spineless coward, and i only hope one day you join a pro iraq war demonstration so i can stomp on your testicules and show you the way out of America.
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Go away troll. Your tough guy act is laughable.
[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
I am openly challenging you both as to your credentials as to why you are such great patriots.
1-Eagle Scout
2-Infantry Marine (served in Phillipines during OEF)
3-Voted George Bush in 2000
…ad nauseum…
Where’s your attempt to equate PATRIOTISM with PRO IRAQ WAR stand, OLD GAY FART ?
You want people to give you a medal ?
Is it what your post is about ?
I still think you’re a useless spineless coward, and i only hope one day you join a pro iraq war demonstration so i can stomp on your testicules and show you the way out of America.
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laugh Dammit, you got me kid. I knew I shouldn’t have humored the trolls.
mike
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
So you are anti-war…? Just not necessarily pro-peace? Yikes, dude. Get a grip. You cannot know the motivations of a person’s heart. Why don’t you take a cue from Paul put his principles to practice?
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Paul voted against the Iraq war; he also said the war was illegal and that America was only there for the oil and to implant military bases.
I’m supposed to believe it is patriotic to invade a country for it’s oil??
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:laugh Dammit, you got me kid. I knew I shouldn’t have humored the trolls.
mike[/quote]
Just cut the bullshit and give a straight answer: pro Iraq war people = american patriots ??
[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
So you are anti-war…? Just not necessarily pro-peace? Yikes, dude. Get a grip. You cannot know the motivations of a person’s heart. Why don’t you take a cue from Paul put his principles to practice?
Paul voted against the Iraq war; he also said the war was illegal and that America was only there for the oil and to implant military bases.
I’m supposed to believe it is patriotic to invade a country for it’s oil??
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He also voted for the Afghanistan war because 19 criminals hijacked 4 planes. There is no oil to steal in Afghanistan. Paul is very confused.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
jeffdirect wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
So you are anti-war…? Just not necessarily pro-peace? Yikes, dude. Get a grip. You cannot know the motivations of a person’s heart. Why don’t you take a cue from Paul put his principles to practice?
Paul voted against the Iraq war; he also said the war was illegal and that America was only there for the oil and to implant military bases.
I’m supposed to believe it is patriotic to invade a country for it’s oil??
He also voted for the Afghanistan war because 19 criminals hijacked 4 planes. There is no oil to steal in Afghanistan. Paul is very confused. [/quote]
Paul voted to get Bin Laden who was hiding in Afghanistan and then to get the hell out of there.
They invaded and let Bin Laden get away, then went into nation building.
Pail didn’t vote for that.
You’re the one confused, mr hater of america.
[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
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Paul voted to get Bin Laden who was hiding in Afghanistan and then to get the hell out of there.
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Show me that in the bill that authorized Bush to invade Afghanistan. I think you are lying.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
I humbly await my history lesson.
Semper Fidelis,
mike[/quote]
I’m not sure if this list was supposed to justify you as a “patriot” or whatever but thanks for the info. I voted for Badnarek too. Also prior military and firm believer in 2nd amendment rights.
The point I was conceding to Jeffdirect is that simply supporting the Iraq war does NOT make you a patriot and in fact, the opposite argument could be made. You may be a true patriot for other resasons(sounds like it) but not for that one
Mikey may be the only pro-Iraq war guy around here worthy of respect. That is because his intentions are noble (the man genuinely believes the US is bringing freedom to Iraqis), and he puts his money where his mouth is.
So do us all a favor Jeffdirect, and quit throwing around the unpatriotic label. It makes you sound like a silly kid. Also, I thank you not for hijacking and ruining a 5 stars thread.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
I humbly await my history lesson.
Semper Fidelis,
mike
I’m not sure if this list was supposed to justify you as a “patriot” or whatever but thanks for the info. I voted for Badnarek too. Also prior military and firm believer in 2nd amendment rights.[/quote]
No, I just intended to make my actions and beliefs clear to allow you two to make the decision on your own. [quote]
The point I was conceding to Jeffdirect is that simply supporting the Iraq war does NOT make you a patriot and in fact, the opposite argument could be made. You may be a true patriot for other resasons(sounds like it) but not for that one[/quote]
You can be pro-Iraq and patriotic and anti-Iraq and patriotic. This board is full of both. One’s patriotism can be inferred from, but not directly linked to the standing on this single war. There are plenty of pro-Iraq and anti-Iraq bootlickers. I have seen a great many more anti-Iraq authoritarians in my experience.
Too many people equate dissent with patriotism. I suppose we all have our own definition for it, but to me patriotism is a genuine love of country. That isn’t blind support, but that isn’t blind dissent either. It’s a willingness to sacrifice for your beliefs and to press those for the betterment of your fellow man. That’s why I get a kick out of Bush haters. I don’t like Bush, but at the same time it’s funny to see all these people thinking they’re cutting edge by protesting the man. Hell, he was at 24% approval the other week. It reminds me of an old Greek saying, “To rebel in season is not to rebel.”
mike
[quote]storey420 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
storey420 wrote:
The problem is that not enough people have heard of Paul thanks to mainstream media neglect but if the funds can be raised and he can buy exposure, more will surely join America’s last chance for change.
We know…we know…if only more people could hear about Ron Paul they’d immediately fall in love with him. They’d love that shrill voice, and the way he rambles on about dismantling the federal government and pulling every American solider out of Iraq with no thought or plan. Hey…what’s not to like right? That damn media, they’re always ignoring those who have less than 5% in all of the legitimate national polls.
It must be a conspiracy…right?
Yes…that’s what it is.
Mick,
What about the people like you and I who have heard his “message” and soundly reject it?
Wait, we are the “sheep” and the “establishment.”
What a dean-like waste of money.
Wait, it’s not dean-like. howard “arrgghhh” dean actually had part of his party’s support.
JeffR
That is not why you are sheeple. It is because you joy in trying to trounce people for believing in a cause, for standing up for someone that while being a long shot is absolutely the best choice to effect a change in our government, also you are sheeple because you like the distraction that is our current situation. If you seriously think Guliani is the man for the job, then yes you a sheeple.[/quote]
I believe Rudy is the man for the job.
Your candidate doesn’t have to SUCK (ron paul) in order to “effect a change.”
In fact, if they SUCK (ron paul) they have no chance to make any change.
See howard dean, THE DUKE (dukakis), walter mondale, john “for, against, for, against” kerry, ross “Mighty ME” perot, and ron “No Compromise/Fortress America (what the hell are we going to do if someone threatens our trade?)” paul.
Fads come and go.
ron paul will have a grave with some misunderstood and misquoted Founding Fathers’ line under his name.
There will be a bunch of twirps who make the annual trek on his birthday. Tears in front of the camera. “Oh, if they just would have understood…” ron paul songs from some tool’s garage. ron paul shirts with things like, “He tried to give us back our country.”
ron paul sightings at safeway.
Some asshat will get “Ron Paul Lives” tattooed on his back.
Then the Rage Against the Machiners will grow up and mend fences with their dads.
After that, ron paul will be another footnote to history.
It’s so predictable. It’s also quite boring.
Viva la Revolution…What a bunch of flatus.
JeffR
P.S. Except for Mike. ron paul isn’t worthy of his support.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
jeffdirect wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
I am openly challenging you both as to your credentials as to why you are such great patriots.
1-Eagle Scout
2-Infantry Marine (served in Phillipines during OEF)
3-Voted George Bush in 2000
…ad nauseum…
Where’s your attempt to equate PATRIOTISM with PRO IRAQ WAR stand, OLD GAY FART ?
You want people to give you a medal ?
Is it what your post is about ?
I still think you’re a useless spineless coward, and i only hope one day you join a pro iraq war demonstration so i can stomp on your testicules and show you the way out of America.
I’d have to call troll on this guy. You’re not worth Mikes time.
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I’m suing him for misuse of THE NAME.
JeffR
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
storey420 wrote:
Mikeyali wrote:
I humbly await my history lesson.
Semper Fidelis,
mike
I’m not sure if this list was supposed to justify you as a “patriot” or whatever but thanks for the info. I voted for Badnarek too. Also prior military and firm believer in 2nd amendment rights.
No, I just intended to make my actions and beliefs clear to allow you two to make the decision on your own.
The point I was conceding to Jeffdirect is that simply supporting the Iraq war does NOT make you a patriot and in fact, the opposite argument could be made. You may be a true patriot for other resasons(sounds like it) but not for that one
You can be pro-Iraq and patriotic and anti-Iraq and patriotic. This board is full of both. One’s patriotism can be inferred from, but not directly linked to the standing on this single war. There are plenty of pro-Iraq and anti-Iraq bootlickers. I have seen a great many more anti-Iraq authoritarians in my experience.
Too many people equate dissent with patriotism. I suppose we all have our own definition for it, but to me patriotism is a genuine love of country. That isn’t blind support, but that isn’t blind dissent either. It’s a willingness to sacrifice for your beliefs and to press those for the betterment of your fellow man. That’s why I get a kick out of Bush haters. I don’t like Bush, but at the same time it’s funny to see all these people thinking they’re cutting edge by protesting the man. Hell, he was at 24% approval the other week. It reminds me of an old Greek saying, “To rebel in season is not to rebel.”
mike[/quote]
Well said Mikey and why you are on e fo the few people on this forum that I have respect for. No need for huffing and puffing, no attitude, just a well stated opinion. I can respect that and my love for this country runs deep, which is why I criticize when things are out of line and why I want to find good people in office to do something other than the status quo.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
storey420 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
storey420 wrote:
The problem is that not enough people have heard of Paul thanks to mainstream media neglect but if the funds can be raised and he can buy exposure, more will surely join America’s last chance for change.
We know…we know…if only more people could hear about Ron Paul they’d immediately fall in love with him. They’d love that shrill voice, and the way he rambles on about dismantling the federal government and pulling every American solider out of Iraq with no thought or plan. Hey…what’s not to like right? That damn media, they’re always ignoring those who have less than 5% in all of the legitimate national polls.
It must be a conspiracy…right?
Yes…that’s what it is.
Mick,
What about the people like you and I who have heard his “message” and soundly reject it?
Wait, we are the “sheep” and the “establishment.”
What a dean-like waste of money.
Wait, it’s not dean-like. howard “arrgghhh” dean actually had part of his party’s support.
JeffR
That is not why you are sheeple. It is because you joy in trying to trounce people for believing in a cause, for standing up for someone that while being a long shot is absolutely the best choice to effect a change in our government, also you are sheeple because you like the distraction that is our current situation. If you seriously think Guliani is the man for the job, then yes you a sheeple.
I believe Rudy is the man for the job.
Your candidate doesn’t have to SUCK (ron paul) in order to “effect a change.”
In fact, if they SUCK (ron paul) they have no chance to make any change.
See howard dean, THE DUKE (dukakis), walter mondale, john “for, against, for, against” kerry, ross “Mighty ME” perot, and ron “No Compromise/Fortress America (what the hell are we going to do if someone threatens our trade?)” paul.
Fads come and go.
ron paul will have a grave with some misunderstood and misquoted Founding Fathers’ line under his name.
There will be a bunch of twirps who make the annual trek on his birthday. Tears in front of the camera. “Oh, if they just would have understood…” ron paul songs from some tool’s garage. ron paul shirts with things like, “He tried to give us back our country.”
ron paul sightings at safeway.
Some asshat will get “Ron Paul Lives” tattooed on his back.
Then the Rage Against the Machiners will grow up and mend fences with their dads.
After that, ron paul will be another footnote to history.
It’s so predictable. It’s also quite boring.
Viva la Revolution…What a bunch of flatus.
JeffR
P.S. Except for Mike. ron paul isn’t worthy of his support.[/quote]
Seriously Jeff? That’s it? That’s your retort. I may disagree with you alot of the time but usually you have some kind of decent rhetoric to back your position not just blathering ad hominems and faulty logic. I have to break out the Billy Madison on you…“Nowhere in your incoherent rambling did you come close to anything that resembles a point. In fact, we are all dumber for having listened to it”
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Paul really doesn’t present solutions in many fields, just chaos. It may make people that are mad at the system feel good in the short run but the solutions are not there.
Very well put.
And that’s one of the things that is very disturbing about Paul. [/quote]
No, that is one of the things that is disturbing about freedom.
People make their own rules.
You can call that chaos if you wish.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
jeffdirect wrote:
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Paul voted to get Bin Laden who was hiding in Afghanistan and then to get the hell out of there.
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Show me that in the bill that authorized Bush to invade Afghanistan. I think you are lying.[/quote]
If you’re denying everything was not done to capture Bin Laden and that after he fled, america went into nation building in afghanistan, you’re the one lying here ( as usual)
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
You can be pro-Iraq and patriotic and anti-Iraq and patriotic. [/quote]
And i can be in favour of the right to choose but absolutely opposed to abortion.
In your troubled mind everything is a wash when you look at it from both sides, and this is precisely the reason there’s such a moral crisis in this country.
Show me a sane person not loving the country he was born in.
Following your definition, 99% of the citizens of a country are patriots.
You’re telling other people to shut up over this kind of definition of patriotism ?
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:That isn’t blind support, but that isn’t blind dissent either.
mike[/quote]
Blind dissent…
Great STUPID remark, and you probably still don’t realise it.
I could spend 1 hour citing the reasons the Iraq war is among the most evil deeds in the history of the last hundred years, a stubborn imbecile like you would still try to shove it’s “patriotism” down my throat.
Don’t try to use the “anti war” argument against me; i am ready as much as anyone to blow to kingdom come anyone threatening my loved ones.
People supporting the Iraq wae are creating future bin ladens and it is precisely their stupid stance that is directly endangering me and the people around me.
I am less secure because of people like you.
Take a hike to San Francisco, fuck.
[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
jeffdirect wrote:
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Paul voted to get Bin Laden who was hiding in Afghanistan and then to get the hell out of there.
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Show me that in the bill that authorized Bush to invade Afghanistan. I think you are lying.
If you’re denying everything was not done to capture Bin Laden and that after he fled, america went into nation building in afghanistan, you’re the one lying here ( as usual)
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What are you blathering about? You claim Paul voted for a bill that authorized a war and that the same bill required removal of US troops immediately after a certain objective was achieved. You lied.