Ron Paul On The Record

[quote]storey420 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
storey420 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
storey420 wrote:
The problem is that not enough people have heard of Paul thanks to mainstream media neglect but if the funds can be raised and he can buy exposure, more will surely join America’s last chance for change.

We know…we know…if only more people could hear about Ron Paul they’d immediately fall in love with him. They’d love that shrill voice, and the way he rambles on about dismantling the federal government and pulling every American solider out of Iraq with no thought or plan. Hey…what’s not to like right? That damn media, they’re always ignoring those who have less than 5% in all of the legitimate national polls.

It must be a conspiracy…right?

Yes…that’s what it is.

Mick,

What about the people like you and I who have heard his “message” and soundly reject it?

Wait, we are the “sheep” and the “establishment.”

What a dean-like waste of money.

Wait, it’s not dean-like. howard “arrgghhh” dean actually had part of his party’s support.

JeffR

That is not why you are sheeple. It is because you joy in trying to trounce people for believing in a cause, for standing up for someone that while being a long shot is absolutely the best choice to effect a change in our government, also you are sheeple because you like the distraction that is our current situation. If you seriously think Guliani is the man for the job, then yes you a sheeple.

I believe Rudy is the man for the job.

Your candidate doesn’t have to SUCK (ron paul) in order to “effect a change.”

In fact, if they SUCK (ron paul) they have no chance to make any change.

See howard dean, THE DUKE (dukakis), walter mondale, john “for, against, for, against” kerry, ross “Mighty ME” perot, and ron “No Compromise/Fortress America (what the hell are we going to do if someone threatens our trade?)” paul.

Fads come and go.

ron paul will have a grave with some misunderstood and misquoted Founding Fathers’ line under his name.

There will be a bunch of twirps who make the annual trek on his birthday. Tears in front of the camera. “Oh, if they just would have understood…” ron paul songs from some tool’s garage. ron paul shirts with things like, “He tried to give us back our country.”

ron paul sightings at safeway.

Some asshat will get “Ron Paul Lives” tattooed on his back.

Then the Rage Against the Machiners will grow up and mend fences with their dads.

After that, ron paul will be another footnote to history.

It’s so predictable. It’s also quite boring.

Viva la Revolution…What a bunch of flatus.

JeffR

P.S. Except for Mike. ron paul isn’t worthy of his support.

Seriously Jeff? That’s it? That’s your retort. I may disagree with you alot of the time but usually you have some kind of decent rhetoric to back your position not just blathering ad hominems and faulty logic. I have to break out the Billy Madison on you…“Nowhere in your incoherent rambling did you come close to anything that resembles a point. In fact, we are all dumber for having listened to it”
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storey, I have to admit to being disappointed.

It’s like telling a great joke only to get a blank stare.

I guarantee everyone else (but you) understood the references. The prediction and discussion was RIGHT ON.

Want some parallels?

Want examples of this phenomena? Try ross perot, che, ralph nader, elvis, and kirk cobain.

All fads. Same amount of slobbering, chest thumping, finger pointing, and noise.

All amounting to exactly nothing.

In the future, read my posts five or six times before throwing your hands up and admitting to being a simpleton.

Deal?

Great.

JeffR

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Hey Zap that idiot (jeffdirect) joined 11-5-07 and has about 15 or 20 posts all on this thread. I’m going to ignore the idiot. It’s obvious that it’s one of the Paul worshippers under a different screen name.

The Paul crowd seems bordline retarded.[/quote]

Except for Mike. However, I have to agree that the paul crowd has real problems.

I suggest they all GET JOBS.

Then call their fathers.

If they listened to my advice, ron paul’s support would drop from three to zero.

JeffR

[quote]JeffR wrote:
If they listened to my advice, ron paul’s support would drop from three to zero.
[/quote]
getting a little worried…?

Why don’t you try and start a money bomb for Guiliani? Ha ha ha!

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
JeffR wrote:
If they listened to my advice, ron paul’s support would drop from three to zero.

getting a little worried…?

Why don’t you try and start a money bomb for Guiliani? Ha ha ha![/quote]

moRon,

Why do you keep saying this?

Let me assure you that I have absolutely no worries about ron paul.

Let me emphasize it: ron paul won’t come within a mile of the Republican nomination.

I AM disturbed about romney spending big money in Iowa and N.H. If he wins both, he’ll get a ton of press.

I don’t worry about him beating Rudy. However, I don’t look forward to hearing all the pundits talk about his “suprising” showing.

JeffR

[quote]JeffR wrote:
I don’t worry about him beating Rudy. However, I don’t look forward to hearing all the pundits talk about his “suprising” showing.
[/quote]

Ha! Whatever. Romney will get less than 10% of the entire vote.

Ron Paul will win with greater than 20% and Guiliani will come in a close second. Romney will come in 5th place.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Hey Zap that idiot (jeffdirect) joined 11-5-07 and has about 15 or 20 posts all on this thread. I’m going to ignore the idiot. It’s obvious that it’s one of the Paul worshippers under a different screen name.

The Paul crowd seems bordline retarded.[/quote]

That’s exactly what i would do if i knew i was going to be exposed as a liar this coming 12 th november.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
orion wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

Paul really doesn’t present solutions in many fields, just chaos. It may make people that are mad at the system feel good in the short run but the solutions are not there.

Very well put.

And that’s one of the things that is very disturbing about Paul.

No, that is one of the things that is disturbing about freedom.

People make their own rules.

You can call that chaos if you wish.

You’re forgetting about how If I want to hear from an austrian (small “a” on purpose) whore I’ll let you know.[/quote]

You are forgetting that your wishes are irrelevant.

[quote]JeffR wrote:
storey420 wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
storey420 wrote:
The problem is that not enough people have heard of Paul thanks to mainstream media neglect but if the funds can be raised and he can buy exposure, more will surely join America’s last chance for change.

We know…we know…if only more people could hear about Ron Paul they’d immediately fall in love with him. They’d love that shrill voice, and the way he rambles on about dismantling the federal government and pulling every American solider out of Iraq with no thought or plan. Hey…what’s not to like right? That damn media, they’re always ignoring those who have less than 5% in all of the legitimate national polls.

It must be a conspiracy…right?

Yes…that’s what it is.

Mick,

What about the people like you and I who have heard his “message” and soundly reject it?

Wait, we are the “sheep” and the “establishment.”

What a dean-like waste of money.

Wait, it’s not dean-like. howard “arrgghhh” dean actually had part of his party’s support.

JeffR

That is not why you are sheeple. It is because you joy in trying to trounce people for believing in a cause, for standing up for someone that while being a long shot is absolutely the best choice to effect a change in our government, also you are sheeple because you like the distraction that is our current situation. If you seriously think Guliani is the man for the job, then yes you a sheeple.

I believe Rudy is the man for the job.

Your candidate doesn’t have to SUCK (ron paul) in order to “effect a change.”

In fact, if they SUCK (ron paul) they have no chance to make any change.

See howard dean, THE DUKE (dukakis), walter mondale, john “for, against, for, against” kerry, ross “Mighty ME” perot, and ron “No Compromise/Fortress America (what the hell are we going to do if someone threatens our trade?)” paul.

Fads come and go.

ron paul will have a grave with some misunderstood and misquoted Founding Fathers’ line under his name.

There will be a bunch of twirps who make the annual trek on his birthday. Tears in front of the camera. “Oh, if they just would have understood…” ron paul songs from some tool’s garage. ron paul shirts with things like, “He tried to give us back our country.”

ron paul sightings at safeway.

Some asshat will get “Ron Paul Lives” tattooed on his back.

Then the Rage Against the Machiners will grow up and mend fences with their dads.

After that, ron paul will be another footnote to history.

It’s so predictable. It’s also quite boring.

Viva la Revolution…What a bunch of flatus.

JeffR

P.S. Except for Mike. ron paul isn’t worthy of his support.[/quote]

How about you get your lips off of Mike’s dick for a second, and realize the reasons he supports Ron Paul are legitimate good reasons. You are so preoccupied with people and daddy issues, I can’t begin to take you seriously. May I suggest Dr. Phil. It’s just the kind of bollocks you’d swallow. If anybody has a monopoly on boring,… heard it all before tripe, its you Jeff.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
jeffdirect wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Hey Zap that idiot (jeffdirect) joined 11-5-07 and has about 15 or 20 posts all on this thread. I’m going to ignore the idiot. It’s obvious that it’s one of the Paul worshippers under a different screen name.

The Paul crowd seems bordline retarded.

That’s exactly what i would do if i knew i was going to be exposed as a liar this coming 12 th november.

Hey Nommy is that you under another name? You should grow a sack and post under your own name. You can be as nasty as you want, no one cares. We all know the level of frustration that the Paulies have to endure.
[/quote]

Souce: federal election commission third quarter .

Eat your heart away.

[quote]JeffR wrote:

storey, I have to admit to being disappointed.

It’s like telling a great joke only to get a blank stare.

I guarantee everyone else (but you) understood the references. The prediction and discussion was RIGHT ON.

Want some parallels?

Want examples of this phenomena? Try ross perot, che, ralph nader, elvis, and kirk cobain.

All fads. Same amount of slobbering, chest thumping, finger pointing, and noise.

All amounting to exactly nothing.

In the future, read my posts five or six times before throwing your hands up and admitting to being a simpleton.

Deal?

Great.

JeffR
[/quote]

Yeah Jeff I got the references, in fact I read Mick’s drivel earlier in the post that mirrors that. Unless you have something besides ad hominems and red herrings please don’t bother.

There are tons of reasons–personal character and more importantly voting/job performance history that makes Guiliani a completely unacceptable candidate for Pres. yet you still cling to him–amazing. Does Paul have stances that I disagree with? Absolutely.

Does he have the charisma of say Reagan? Not by a long shot. But unlike people like Mick who like to have the Presidential contest be more like American Idol(someone with pizzazz), I would prefer to look at someone’s voting/job performance record and make a decision for what someone has proven themselves to be.

Even the haters out there have trouble finding too many actual votes cast by Paul during his tenure that are not obviously sonpsored by special interests like the majority of the other candidates. Our currency is teetering and the status quo cannot sustain America for so much longer.

Either way if Paul goes down then I’ll have to start an “Anyone but Hillary” campaign.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2007/11/06/paul-passes-thompson-and-mccain-in-gop-primary.html?s_cid=related-links:TOP

Is that legit’?

[quote]lixy wrote:
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2007/11/06/paul-passes-thompson-and-mccain-in-gop-primary.html?s_cid=related-links:TOP

Is that legit’?[/quote]

Legit…yes. Accurate? Anyone’s guess. I just found this same info posted at the Lew Rockwell News Blog linked to this:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23331

Another great example of military NOT SUPPORTING Ron Paul:

Dear Mr. Beck,

The image you have so carelessly planted in the minds of your viewers, that regular, honest, hardworking American supporters of Dr. Ron Paul are a bunch of terrorists is not only inaccurate, but grossly negligent sir! And I take extreme umbrage with you assertions. I am a former Marine, decorated with a Good Conduct Medal, a Navy Unit Commendation, and an Overseas Deployment ribbon for my service to these United States from 1982 to 1986. Seeing as we are both forty three I think its safe to say that while I was serving my country, you were much more busy becoming a drug addict and practicing to become an alcoholic, correct?

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You see, unlike you sir, I have taken the time to gather some facts to support my position. I love this country and its people more than life itself, and would at a moments notice put my life on the line once again in her defense. I took an oath to uphold our Constitution, and I take this oath very seriously.

You sir have done a grave disservice to me personally by implying that I am a terrorist because I support Dr. Ron Paul. Over my forty three years of life’s trials and tribulations I have developed pretty thick skin, and am not easily bothered by someone’s words. But when I heard you imply that Ron Paul supporters are “akin to terrorists” for choosing the fifth of November as the day for our fund raising donation, I have to admit that I was a highly upset! I sincerely believe you have a right to your opinion, as do we all. But where you enjoy an assumed position of authority in Television and Radio with the potential to influence millions of viewers and listeners alike comes an even greater obligation to ensure that the opinions you espouse are well founded, and responsible ones. Is that a fair statement sir? I work very hard to introduce my friends and family to the issues that Dr. Ron Paul supports, and believe with great sincerity that our Country is in very serious trouble and we need to elect someone to the highest office who exemplifies the kind of qualities of a Dr. Ron Paul.

I was with my wife and 18 year-old daughter when we watched you’re ‘Ron Paul supporters may be domestic terrorists’ piece. My family knows how strongly I feel about Dr. Paul’s views and I got a strange feeling in the pit of my stomach upon hearing your comments. Especially in front of my family, who trusts my decision making process in order that I provide a stable, moral example for them to follow. It was an awkward moment to say the least, I was at a loss for words. I simply gritted my teeth and supported your right to your views regardless. Mr Beck, your implication that Ron Paul supporters, like myself, are terrorists, is so far beyond the pale of reasoning that I fail to understand how you could formulate this opinion. Now I’m not naive, I know this was not some spontaneous thoughts you were sharing with your audience. I realize this was something you ran by your staff and bosses alike. You had to book the guests that would be sympathetic to your views in order to project the desired effect for your viewers. Plain and simple sir, this was a tongue in cheek political hit piece directed at Dr. Ron Paul’s Presidential Campaign by casting his supporters as domestic terrorists. I find this type of guerrilla journalism very distasteful and a betrayal of America and our ideals of the sanctity of a free press that is suppose to inform its body politic, not to deceive its people as you have chosen to do. As I stated earlier, I am not naive sir, and I realize you could care less how I feel or what my opinions of you are, and that’s just fine by me. But what you are doing is just plain wrong, and you will have to atone for your actions at some point in time. But until then you have lost a faithful viewer.

I know it is of little consequence to you but as a matter of principle I can no longer support a network that supplies you a platform from which you so carelessly use as a tool to spew your hate and rhetoric. I will also be boycotting all of your sponsors products until they pull their support by way of advertising dollars that go to pay you’re salary. Here is the list of people and companies I will be contacting.

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I know people have temporary lapses in judgment, and will leave some of my personal information to assure you that I am a real person and not a “spambot” just in case you would like to reply to this e-mail, but, ummm, I’m not holding my breath though.

Respectfully Submitted,
Stephen Dupont
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[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
Another great example of military NOT SUPPORTING Ron Paul:

Dear Mr. Beck,

The image you have so carelessly planted in the minds of your viewers, that regular, honest, hardworking American supporters of Dr. Ron Paul are a bunch of terrorists is not only inaccurate, but grossly negligent sir! And I take extreme umbrage with you assertions. I am a former Marine, decorated with a Good Conduct Medal, a Navy Unit Commendation, and an Overseas Deployment ribbon for my service to these United States from 1982 to 1986. Seeing as we are both forty three I think its safe to say that while I was serving my country, you were much more busy becoming a drug addict and practicing to become an alcoholic, correct?

	[/quote]

While I agree with the sentiment, a Good Conduct Medal, NUC, and deployment ribbons aren’t exactly big shit.

mike

Oh i forgot.

When it comes to pulling rank, Mikeyali can always be counted on.