Ron Paul On The Record

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Overflow Crowds Hear Ron Paul Speak at Google Headquarters

Ron Paul’s day at Google was a great success, with 250 employees filling the room to hear him and another 100 in an overflow room to watch him on closed-circuit TV.

His reception from Google employees was enthusiastic. Many wore Ron Paul t-shirts, like Vijay Boyapati, an Indian immigrant who gained citizenship last year. Boyapati flew from Google’s Seattle office just to hear him in person.

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Googlers applaud GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul – The Mercury News [/quote]

Always remember: No one man IS Caesar.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm

Hey Nominal, you seem to be in the know about other politics forums etc…you have any good suggestions where I might find the debate to be a little more sophisticated and civil?

Translation: “Where can I go where everyone agrees with me.”
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Damn! You beat me to it!!

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I just thought this was hilarious:

http://www.goupstate.com/article/20070715/NEWS/707150346/1051/NEWS01

Terry Sullivan, who runs Romney’s campaign in this state, added in an e-mail to the Herald-Journal, “Ron Paul certainly has more signs and money than some candidates thought to be in the top tier.”

Paul’s visit is the result of a tit-for-tat with Beltram, who tried to ban the Libertarian-leaning candidate from county events. A couple hundred widely distributed e-mails later, Beltram agreed to arrange a forum for Paul and his supporters. Beltram predicts about 200 people will show up.

"It just so happened that I had my dispute with the Paul campaign, and then right after that, they were like, ‘We have more money on hand (than McCain), and let’s redouble our efforts,’ " Beltram said.

When asked whether he thought Paul was a viable candidate, Beltram said, “yes.”

When asked the same about McCain, Beltram would
not comment.

I don't know if you remember the stink that Beltram made about Ron Paul after the GOP debate where Ron ripped Rudy apart concerning foreign policy.  Basically, Beltram said he would do everything in his power to keep Ron Paul from campaigning in his state.

Say, "Uncle!"
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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Translation: “Where can I go where everyone agrees with me.”

Damn! You beat me to it!!
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That’s because you are slow. And no, I don’t want to just read opinions that support my position. I want to be informed.

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Ron Paul Asked about 9/11

http://infowars.net/articles/june2007/210607Ron.htm

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Damn! You beat me to it!![/quote]

It’s entirely possible to disagree with someone without being an obnoxious, condescending, prick. Could it be that he was really after some civil discourse, rather than uniform agreement? I think so.

Nice find, LIFTICVSMAXIMVS.

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[quote]SouthernBrew wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Start with his description of “all wars” above. If you can explain that away to my satisfaction we can move on.

I responded to this earlier but will do so again.

He was referencing the frequent use of the word “War” by the Government in order to drum up support and in some cases fear.

I share your opinion that he is going to have to pull off a miracle to win the Presidency however despite his personal lack of charisma and speaking abilkity I do think he would make a better President than anyone else running.

As such I plan on voting for him

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Second that.

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Towards a New Gold Standard

[quote]Aaron Russo: So the Federal Reserve is actually an illegal entity functioning within the government.

Ron Paul: It is illegal. And what we have given to this so-called agency is the authority to counterfeit money.

Aaron Russo: Do you have any points of view about the Federal Reserve and how the Federal Reserve operates?

Ron Paul: They just enter something on a computer. “Oh, you need $20 billion today? Well, here’s $20 billion.” But they got that out of thin air. It came out of thin air. It goes to the Treasury, and the Treasury then pays the bills.

We have already seen how this process is inflationary. However, the relationship to the IRS is a little less clear, so let’s tease it out: Congress formerly had the power to coin money, but it delegated that power to the Federal Reserve in 1913. When The Fed creates that $20 billion out of thin air, it doesn’t give the money to the Treasury - it loans it to the Treasury. There is a huge difference.

In exchange for the loan, the Treasury gives the Fed collateral: $20 billion worth of Treasury bonds (T-bonds). But as we all know, T-bonds are not simply static collateral, T-bonds also pay interest to the holder. In this case, the holder is the Federal Reserve.

But where does the Treasury get the extra money required to pay the interest back to the Fed? The Fed didn’t create the interest - it only created enough money for the face value of the bond. If the T-bonds pay 5% interest, the Treasury needs to come up with an additional $1 billion each year to pay the interest back to the Fed! Where do they get it?

You guessed it, friends! It comes from you - the generous American Taxpayer. The IRS - also founded in 1913 - was part of a package deal. It is required in order to raise the money to pay back the interest on the money the Treasury “borrowed” from the Federal Reserve.

You didn’t know that? Now you know why Henry Ford said, “It is well enough that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” And you also now know why Dr. Ron Paul is so vehemently opposed to both the Fed and the IRS.[/quote]

http://bullnotbull.com/archive/gold-standard-2.html

None of the money you send to the IRS is actually being used to run the country. Woops. Tax protesting just got a whole lot more legitimate.

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Guys, check out this old campaign video about Ron Paul:

The Ron Paul Story

Pretty amazing stuff. Despite it’s age, it could have been released yesterday. Paul’s stances on the issues haven’t changed a bit.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Translation: “Where can I go where everyone agrees with me.”

Damn! You beat me to it!!

That’s because you are slow. And no, I don’t want to just read opinions that support my position. I want to be informed.
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No, its because I just returned from vacation and am reading this thread for the first time.

You and Nominal are supporting a gent (who has ideas I like a lot) who has no chance. Americans rarely vote far from the middle, Reagan being about as far right as they’ll go.

About 52% of our Federal budget is for entitlements. You honestly expect the people to vote for someone, when you come down to it, who would shrink their entitlements? What happened to Bush when he wanted to ever-so-slightly change Social Security? The Dems had the old fools convinced that Republicans wanted them to eat cat food.

I hope Paul wins. I hope that some American people will want to quit using government as a club against the productive and intelligent.

How likely is that?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:

I hope Paul wins. I hope that some American people will want to quit using government as a club against the productive and intelligent.

How likely is that?[/quote]

This is key. I like a few things Paul has to say. I don’t like other things. That isn’t the problem.

The problem is his legion of space cadets who can’t remain objective about his candidacy, like Nominal “Self-Declared Fascist” Prospect proclaiming that if Paul gets the nomination, the Democratic Party would fold!

(If that were to be the case, do we declare Paul eternal emperor? After all, since there would be no Democratic Party anymore, presumably everyone would be in support of Paul, right, center, and left…right?)

Such stupidity, in an ironic twist, actually hurts the Ron Paul movement, largely because it taints his constituency with the odor of being unserious, or in Mick28’s words, “bat shit crazy”.

If Uncle Ron has any chance at all, his advocates would have to be sober and convincing to moderate folks - since they are not, Paul is the Kucinich of the right and turns otherwise interested voters off.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
If Uncle Ron has any chance at all, his advocates would have to be sober and convincing to moderate folks - since they are not, Paul is the Kucinich of the right and turns otherwise interested voters off.
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This I completely agree with. It is because he wants to change so much so quickly that he is perceived to be “bat-shit crazy”. He needs to convince moderates that 1) entitlements; 2) unconstitutional acts of the federal gov’t; and 3) debt-backed currency are a real threat to this country. He needs to release a plan as to how they could be changed over time so as to cause the least amount of disturbances to the system. Reaching moderates is key here.

The one reason I would vote for him alone is his voting record in congress. He would not allow congress to pass unconstitutional laws–this subverts the need to elect libertarian congressmen across the entire country, for example.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
No, its because I just returned from vacation and am reading this thread for the first time.

You and Nominal are supporting a gent (who has ideas I like a lot) who has no chance. Americans rarely vote far from the middle, Reagan being about as far right as they’ll go.

About 52% of our Federal budget is for entitlements. You honestly expect the people to vote for someone, when you come down to it, who would shrink their entitlements? What happened to Bush when he wanted to ever-so-slightly change Social Security? The Dems had the old fools convinced that Republicans wanted them to eat cat food.

I hope Paul wins. I hope that some American people will want to quit using government as a club against the productive and intelligent.

How likely is that?
[/quote]
Well, I hope you had a good break. I need one my-self.

  1. I hope there are a majority of voters who don’t receive govt entitlements who would see that eliminating them is a good thing–i.e., the middle-class tax-payer

  2. Informing moderate voters why it needs to change and how it can be changed for the better is the real hard part.

  3. I think after the Iowa straw-poll he will get a little more recognition as moderates get to hear more of what he has to say–I just wish he could debate Rudy McRomney head-to-head without all the fluff. He’s got them beat on every issue; not to mention, he’s got the cleanest, most consistent record in the entire history of congress.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

The one reason I would vote for him alone is his voting record in congress. He would not allow congress to pass unconstitutional laws–this subverts the need to elect libertarian congressmen across the entire country, for example.[/quote]

This has problems, largely because Congress can override a President’s veto. Ordinarily, that might not be a big deal if Congress is reasonably split, but in the case of a radical-libertarian vetoing “unconstitutional” legislation all over the place, it wouldn’t be a stretch in my mind to easily override such a veto in the name of bipartisan reaction to an extreme approach.

Paul’s weakness is in his extremism. A “libertarian” presidency in the Paul vein would only galvanize Congress against him. He would need a heckuva lot more libertarians elected in his mold to get much done.

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Politics reflects philosophy.
Politics reflects philosophy.
Politics reflects philosophy.

The only way that a government can NOT reflect the philosophy of its citizens is if the government makes itself immune to their will. That’s the nature of totalitarianism.

The government we have, since we get to choose it (mostly) reflects the philosophy of the majority of Americans. Americans want freedom, but also (in a sense) want to be led. They WANT a big government as long as they get to choose it (De Toqueville).

When Americans learn the hard lessons about what they’ve created, perhaps we will get someone like Ron Paul. I would LOVE a gold-backed currency, the Fed being mothballed, and all that. But until the philosophy of the common man (crude altruism) changes, we’re stuck.

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Military Favors Ron Paul Over McCain

The US Department of Elections has released the Selected Presidential Reports for the 2007 July Quarterly, and there are a few surprises. No surprise, of course, is that people in the armed services and veterans overwhelmingly support the Republican Party. However, after digging through individual candidates�?? contributions by employers, we find an elating (or disturbing, if you�??re rooting for Rudy McRomney) trend. The breakdown? Here you go: