[quote]Mick28 wrote:
If you have anymore meaningless information that is pro Ron Paul please post it. Hey, we can only do this for another few months before Paul drops out.
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Hannity? is that you?
Hmmm…yeah, that makes sense. These figures are actual dollar amounts from military and veterans. I can’t see someone contributing to a campaign and not voting–kind of defeats the purpose of donating–try again.
As to your comment about age; I suspect that the donations came from officers and senior staff–who would actually have left over money to spend at the end of the month and not your typical enlisted (18 - 24) that barely pulls in $1000/month after taxes and living expenses.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Name one law that Congress passed that is “unconstitutional”.
I won’t hold my breath…
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One may or may not support Dr. Paul. Personal opinion is a luxury that should always be respected. However a statement such as the above, at least from the perspective of many, is quite surprising.
Now let’s have some fun - explain why you think they are unconstitutional.
Or are you just repeating something you heard?[/quote]
Because of the following:
A) They weren’t written into the Constitution nor subsequently added through properly-ratified amendments (which the 16th was not).
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B) The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved for the States respectively, or to the people.
-Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
That wasn’t hard.
Now let’s have some fun - explain why you think they are unconstitutional.
Or are you just repeating something you heard?
Because of the following:
A) They weren’t written into the Constitution nor subsequently added through properly-ratified amendments (which the 16th was not).
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B) The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved for the States respectively, or to the people.
-Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
That wasn’t hard.[/quote]
It’s your turn, now. Demonstrate how the IRS, Fed, and Patriot Act derived their powers from Constitutional authority. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
If you have anymore meaningless information that is pro Ron Paul please post it. Hey, we can only do this for another few months before Paul drops out.
Hannity? is that you?
Hmmm…yeah, that makes sense. These figures are actual dollar amounts from military and veterans. I can’t see someone contributing to a campaign and not voting–kind of defeats the purpose of donating–try again.
As to your comment about age; I suspect that the donations came from officers and senior staff–who would actually have left over money to spend at the end of the month and not your typical enlisted (18 - 24) that barely pulls in $1000/month after taxes and living expenses.
Let’s wax analytic some more…thanks for playing.[/quote]
Guess he failed to notice that RP received more donations from vets than any other candidate. In fact, several of them posted comments on the page you linked. I like this one:
[quote]I think the answer is obvious: the military is full of Blame-America liberal moonbats who think we should all just surrender to bin Laden and convert to Islam.
As a side note, I just got my copy of Pat Buchanan’s A Republic, Not an Empire: Reclaiming America’s Destiny. I took a picture of it alongside another great book, The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve, by G. Edward Griffin.
These are both fantastic, incredibly informative works about American foreign policy and banking, respectively. Anyone who wants to inform themselves for the coming election should pick these up used from Amazon, asap.
I found the back-cover quote from A Republic, Not an Empire particularly interesting. Writing in 1999, Buchanan had predicted:
“If we continue on this course of reflexive interventions, enemies will one day answer our power with the weapon of the weak-terror, and eventually cataclysmic terrorism on US soil.”
Pat Buchanan is certainly not a liberal, and he knows what he is talking about. He supports Ron Paul’s candidacy.
A) They weren’t written into the Constitution nor subsequently added through properly-ratified amendments (which the 16th was not). [/quote]
Neither is the US air force.
Unconstitutional?
[quote]B) The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved for the States respectively, or to the people.
-Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
That wasn’t hard.[/quote]
And one wonders why Ron Paul doesn’t stand a chance. Take Nominal “Self-Declared Fascist” Prospect and put him in front of an undecided voter.
After the laughter died down…well, the laughter wouldn’t die down, so there is no reason to speculate.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Get a clue.
It’s your turn, now. Demonstrate how the IRS, Fed, and Patriot Act derived their powers from Constitutional authority. Go ahead, I’ll wait.
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Congress passed bill, President signed into law, judiciary does not rule it unconstitutional.[/quote]
Years pass, students learn that it has allways been this way, wasting no time on the founders intentions and discussions on a certain topic, only the second rate arguments of an ill chosen supreme court and suddenly para-military is marching down your streets in goose steps.
The Ron Paul fanatics seem to be experts on the Founding Fathers intentions, despite the fact that the most important founders were often as ideologically opposite as any other group of men and their opinions changed over time.
They also seem to be experts on what is Constitutional and what is not, especially when people interpret it the exact same way that they do. The Louisiana Purchase was unconstitutional, also. Maybe we should give it back.
[quote]Jack_Dempsey wrote:
The Ron Paul fanatics seem to be experts on the Founding Fathers intentions, despite the fact that the most important founders were often as ideologically opposite as any other group of men and their opinions changed over time.
They also seem to be experts on what is Constitutional and what is not, especially when people interpret it the exact same way that they do. The Louisiana Purchase was unconstitutional, also. Maybe we should give it back. [/quote]
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
SouthernBrew wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Start with his description of “all wars” above. If you can explain that away to my satisfaction we can move on.
I responded to this earlier but will do so again.
He was referencing the frequent use of the word “War” by the Government in order to drum up support and in some cases fear.
I share your opinion that he is going to have to pull off a miracle to win the Presidency however despite his personal lack of charisma and speaking abilkity I do think he would make a better President than anyone else running.
What do you guys think Ron Paul would actually be able to do if he was elected?
Is he going to issue fiats from the white house declaring mass disbanding of all kinds of federal institutions?
I too really like some of the ideas that Ron Paul espouses, but I really haven’t heard anything approaching any type of transition plan from the current realities towards Ron Paul world.
Seriously, if you understood the scope of the some of the changes being proposed, and the huge impact that would be felt, you’d understand why he comes across as bat-shit crazy from time to time.
If he steps back from talking about a complete governmental fiscal rewrite and starts talking about a rational migration path towards a more republic oriented system then he’d have a lot less “handles” sticking around for sinking him if he were to become a serious contender.
Anyway, if he is talking in that capacity, the followers in this thread are doing a poor job of reflecting it.
