It looks like the word on the street is that a Govenment leak exposed a plot to pay off online polling sites to exclude Ron Paul from their polls(Operation Silencer). I guess the global elitists are scared of his message.
[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
It looks like the word on the street is that a Govenment leak exposed a plot to pay off online polling sites to exclude Ron Paul from their polls(Operation Silencer). I guess the global elitists are scared of his message. [/quote]
It’s the illuminati.
[quote]doogie wrote:
Rocky101 wrote:
It looks like the word on the street is that a Govenment leak exposed a plot to pay off online polling sites to exclude Ron Paul from their polls(Operation Silencer). I guess the global elitists are scared of his message.
It’s the illuminati.[/quote]
If its that heavy handed, probably not.
Wake up, there are conspiracies.
Google COINTELPRO.
Why Ron Paul and other candidates deserve better
Posted by Jason Easley on 07.09.2007
Ron Paul finally got some air time on a national Sunday morning talk show this week, only to have the host tell him that he wasn’t going to win the election. In this brief commentary, I’ll talk about why candidates like Paul deserve better, and why they won’t get it.
Why Ron Paul and other candidates deserve better
While appearing on ABC’s This Week program on Sunday morning Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul formally announced that he had quadrupled his fundraising from the first quarter of the year. In the first quarter Paul raised $640,000, but that number soared in the second quarter due to the Texas Congressman’s large base of support on the Internet.
The Paul campaign took in $2.4 million in the second quarter, and the candidate said that they still have all that money in the bank. When host George Stephanopoulos asked why his campaign had done so well he replied, “Some of the candidates are on the down slope; we’re on the upslope. We feel good about what’s happening.”
It is rare that a candidate that is being dismissed the way that Ron Paul is actually gets a sit down interview on one of the Sunday morning talk shows. However, Stephanopoulos displayed the typical mainstream media ignorance about the popularity of the Ron Paul campaign on a few different occasions during the interview.
The host asked Paul why he thinks his campaign has grown in popularity. Paul replied, “I think people have underestimated the number of people in this country that are interested in a freedom message �?? just being free. Free of the government oppression of us, whether it’s on our personal liberties, our economic liberties, and they certainly like the foreign policy of nonintervention.” His biggest slight to Paul was when he told him that he can’t win. I’m sure George would never think about saying this to a top Republican or Democrat.
It must be pointed out that Dr. Paul still has a long way to go, if he is going to be a serious Republican contender in 2008. The floundering McCain campaign still managed to raise $11.2 million in the second quarter. Most of those funds were taken up by expenses and debt, and McCain was left with only $2 million in the bank.
The McCain campaign countered the claims that the Paul campaign had out raised them by pointing out that they also have $800,000 in the bank for use during a potential general election campaign. However, the $800,000 does McCain no good if he can’t win the 2008 Republican nomination. I think that the surge in fundraising for the Paul campaign is a continuation of what we learned during the 2004 Howard Dean Democratic campaign. The Internet is a powerful tool.
So far establishment politicians like Barack Obama have figured out how to use the Internet for fundraising, but the Paul campaign has taken it another step and is using the Internet to spread a grassroots message of freedom from big government. I think this message resonates particularly well with anti-war Republicans, conservative Democrats, and Libertarians.
After watching President Bush expand the federal government and his presidential powers for almost two terms, millions of Americans are fed up with it and want their freedom back. The biggest obstacle for candidates like Ron Paul is that the American political system has been corrupted to the point where fundraising dictates media coverage. McCain has gotten a week’s worth of bad publicity due to his inability to raise money.
However, it really shouldn’t be a surprise that the mainstream media wouldn’t really “get” why Ron Paul is popular. Mainstream media tends to view people like Paul as a novelty that should not be taken seriously because he isn’t on television all the time.
The problem for lower tier candidates who are trying to break though and gain mainstream coverage is that the media tends to devote most of the campaign coverage to the biggest fundraisers, the poll leaders, or the latest scandal.
Thus, the media creates a self fulfilling prophecy. Candidates like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich can’t raise money because they aren’t seen as able to win, and since the media thinks that they can’t win, they don’t get coverage. This is what made the fact that Paul got 7:21 of Sunday morning talk show airtime all the more important for him.
It is also illuminating that a Washington D.C. insider like Stephanopoulos didn’t feel that it was important enough to tell his views that Rep. Paul is the most watched Republican on YouTube. Paul has gotten 2.1 million views. The next closest Republican is Romney at 700,000, but both of them trail Barack Obama’s 5.2 million.
The difference is that Obama’s channel has been up since last September, where as Paul’s has been up for 3 months. Paul’s channel also has 19,328 subscribers which is twice as many as Obama. Rep. Paul’s Internet success has led to a small bump in the polls, but he is still mired far behind Giuliani, Thompson, and Romney.
I am not a Ron Paul supporter, because many of his positions on social issues are far too conservative for me, but I do respect him and his views deeply. After much thought, I think I have come up with the reason why Ron Paul has become so popular, sincerity.
In a campaign that is filled with prepackaged, imaged enhanced, sound byte machines, Ron Paul stands out because he is sincere. He is not taking positions to win votes. His positions are simply what he believes is right. There is something genuine about Ron Paul that causes him to stand out.
In a crowded Republican field where everyone is trying hard to prove their conservatism, Ron Paul is a real conservative. He is a throw back even further than Ronald Reagan. He is a direct ancestor of Goldwater conservatism.
The sad part of all this is that the good candidates in both parties are getting punished in the polls for taking positions and having plans. The Clintons, Obamas, and Giulianis have mastered the art of campaigning in vague generalities. When passionate and sincere candidates like Paul and Kucinich come along they are automatically penalized by the current system for wanting to talk about ideas.
The reality is that the 2008 primary system has been rigged in favor of the candidates that have the national name recognition and can raise the money required to mount expensive media campaigns for the de facto national primary election on February 5. Candidates like Ron Paul deserve a real chance to take their message to the American people, but that will never happen as long as money dominates our politics.
Here is the video of Ron Paul on ABC’s This Week with George Stephanopolous.
I thought it was a good interview. Stephanopolous did not exhibit any inherent bias against Ron Paul.
By the way, Ron Paul is the first economically literate politician in half a century, at least. This, alone, is reason enough to support him.
It’s not just about what you believe in. It’s about understanding how things fundamentally work, what can and can’t be accomplished by government. Ron Paul does. Like noone else.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Stephanopolous: What is your goal with this campaign?
Paul: To win.
Stephanopolous: You know that’s not going to happen.
Paul: Do you want to bet all the money you have in your pocket?
Stephanopolous: Yes!
[/quote]
It turns out george didn’t have much in his pocket lose…a pretty unimposing wager.
If all that is at stake is what’s in my pocket right now I’d bet that time travel will happen by years end–so what. Its still just speculation based on flawed statistics.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
It’s only by raging against the machine and losing that you become politically mature[/quote], says a man who never raged against anything and who has no ideology worth defending.
For such a “mature” individual you sure know how to bring yourself down to a sophomoric level.
Your opinion is noted, however, its being ignored. Carry on.
RonPaul2008
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I’ve been following the news. With the way things are going now for the Bush admin, I think Ron Paul is going to be the only electable Republican in 2008. The only problem is, we haven’t got that long to “elect” him. We’ve only got about half a year.
In this election, the nomination is the entire race. If Paul gets it, he will defeat the Dems in a landslide. I’m going to be sending him my first donation soon. I didn’t have any spare cash when he blew up in May & June, but now I do, and I intend to keep the donations coming on a monthly basis all the way until the primaries. Many other supporters are doing the same.
Gallup has its latest poll:
[i]Giuliani has the support of 30% of “Republicans and Republican leaners,” vs. 28% a month ago; Thompson comes in with 20%, vs. 19% in June; McCain has 16%, vs. 18% a month earlier.
Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney remains in fourth, at 9% vs. 7% in June.
The current numbers for the rest of the Republicans included in the survey: Former House speaker Newt Gingrich, 6%; former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, 2%; Rep. Duncan Hunter, 2%; Rep. Tom Tancredo, 2%; Sen. Sam Brownback, 1%; Sen. Chuck Hagel, 1%; former Wisconsin governor Tommy Thompson, 1%. Neither former Virginia governor Jim Gilmore nor Rep. Ron Paul registered any support.[/i]
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/07/usatgallup-poll.html
I haven’t bothered checking this thread in a while, but after further review, I see Nominal Prospect was tearfully sniveling that myself and others were “taunting” him.
To be clear - I have no distaste for Ron Paul. I don’t dislike him, and I am interested in hearing his views.
The point is not to go after Paul, but rather his tiny legion of space-cadet radicals who make the most ridiculous statements regarding the election in 2008.
Just look at the over-extended comments by NP and others. Ron Paul in a landslide versus a Democrat in a national election? What with ~50% of Americans typically voting Democrat with no interest in a starry-eyed libertarian utopia that Paul promises?
Ron Paul, the 2008 candidate? You think he is the greatest statesman since Lincoln - oop, bad choice, navel-gazing libertarian types have turned on Lincoln - but Paul isn’t even a blip on the national radar.
What is hilarious is that his supporters - immune to reality - constantly say otherwise.
It’d be fine to say “Paul is the man, but it will be next to impossible for him to get elected in 2008”. But instead, we get the predictable flow of nonsense.
As is, when the 2008 nomination finally settles, and Paul is on the outside looking in, our “raging against the machine” space cadets will make such remarks as…
A. “the people are too stupid to back a guy like Paul” or
B. “the [Illuminati/Freemasons/girl scouts] prevented him from winning” or
C. in the case of Just the Facts, “I just frickin’ hate Jews…wait…what are we talking about again?”
It isn’t Ron Paul who is a clown - it is his mindless lemmings.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Regardless of what the lixy’s of the world say, there is not an endless supply of scum.[/quote]
There is always an endless supply of scum.
[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate (that I know of) who says he will abolish the Federal Reserve System.
That’s reason enough to vote for him.
Money is the root of all evil. Destroy the fiat currency…you destroy the corporate imperialists too[/quote]
WTF?
Money is not the root of all evil. A hunger for power and control (like monopolies, facist states, communist governments) are the roots of evil.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
As in not going all starry eyed over a dude like Paul who CAN’T WIN.
[/quote]
This is the major point that you and the rest of the nay sayers are forgetting or purposely ignoring:
We are not supporting him because we think he is popular or that he has a snowballs chance in hell of winning. We are supporting him because we want him to win and we think he is the only capable person currently in the race that can turn this country around and restore the freedoms we have lost to BIG GOVERNMENT in the last century.
We support him because he is honorable and totally dedicated to his principles. He is not in this race for egotistical reasons. You cannot say that of any of the candidates on either side of the fence. I am going to vote for the candidate that I want to win and not the lesser “electable” evils that are running.
Does he have a chance of winning…no greater or lesser than any other candidate at this time.
You (plural) have failed to mention one reason why he would not make a good leader and have focused totally on his perceived “electability” which is only reinforced by his lack of mainstream media coverage. Focus your attention on polls and forget the issues at your own folly.
You think Ron Paul won’t make a good leader…that is fine…but you must have been asleep these last 6.5 years to think that 4 more years of the same rhetoric and demagoging are what this country need.
I urge you to wake up!
[quote]unbending wrote:
WTF?
Money is not the root of all evil. A hunger for power and control (like monopolies, facist states, communist governments) are the roots of evil.[/quote]
Money is the trail that we use to track evil–evil, on a large scale, cannot happen without means.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
You think Ron Paul won’t make a good leader…that is fine…but you must have been asleep these last 6.5 years to think that 4 more years of the same rhetoric and demagoging are what this country need.
I urge you to wake up![/quote]
Hey man! Don’t rag on Bush.
He’s a real man. Not like the sissy leaders before him. He does whatever he wants with no regard for anyone else. He’s a real cowboy.
And if he wants to plunge the country into Economic depression and strip down the rights of the citizens one by one until everyone is deemed a criminal of some sort, that’s his prerogative. He’s a real good President.
Vote in one that is better. Ron Paul is a sissy cause he actually cares. Who wants that?