Ron Paul On The Record

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Okay, I have to admit that Ron Paul is really doing well in the polls…Err…Um…well Internet polls that is.

Read all about why Internet polls are so very scientific and quite an accurate barometer of the voters feelings.

Um…you mean they’re not?

Dude, we get it.

Now to the things you don`t get.

100+ million something potential voters?

Your vote means shit.

You might as well vote for the one you believe in and actually change something by reminding the public that there is more out there…

We could of course always vote for the lesser evil, marry the lesser evil and get the job that sucks the least and after ten years or so we go search ourselves a nice tower with lots of ammunition in our pockets.

ABC News: Ron Paul Tops McCain in Cash on Hand

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/ron-paul-tops-m.html

He is now third place. Watch him go. Next debate is August 5 in Des Moines. Broadcast by ABC. Ron will be there and so will his supporters.

McCain is finished. Rudy will be next.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
ABC News: Ron Paul Tops McCain in Cash on Hand

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/ron-paul-tops-m.html

He is now third place. Watch him go. Next debate is August 5 in Des Moines. Broadcast by ABC. Ron will be there and so will his supporters.

McCain is finished. Rudy will be next.[/quote]

McCain was never in it. Paul is a distant 3rd. I think Obama raised more money in a week.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
ABC News: Ron Paul Tops McCain in Cash on Hand

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/ron-paul-tops-m.html

He is now third place. Watch him go. Next debate is August 5 in Des Moines. Broadcast by ABC. Ron will be there and so will his supporters.

McCain is finished. Rudy will be next.

McCain was never in it. Paul is a distant 3rd. I think Obama raised more money in a week.

Shh Zap you’ll burst the fantasy bubble that’s imperative to all Paul supporters. It’s a convenient buffer between between reality and Paulisms.

What’s a Paulism?

“Paul is climbing in the polls”

Translation, A few half baked Internet Polls.

“Paul is going to win in New Hampshire”

Translation, If we’re lucky he’ll finish a distant 3rd so that we can have bragging rights.

“Paul kicked ass in those debates”

Translation, We’re so thankful that Paul got to speak.

This will continue for about another 6 months.

So I say let’s have some fun with it.

lol

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There is such a thing as sexual intercourse.

Have you experienced it yet?

If the answer is no, that is perfectly ok at the ripe age of 13…

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
ABC News: Ron Paul Tops McCain in Cash on Hand

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/ron-paul-tops-m.html

He is now third place. Watch him go. Next debate is August 5 in Des Moines. Broadcast by ABC. Ron will be there and so will his supporters.

McCain is finished. Rudy will be next.

McCain was never in it. Paul is a distant 3rd. I think Obama raised more money in a week.[/quote]

You’re right. The Dems are raising more money than all the GOPers, not just Ron Paul. But that hardly matters, because they were short-sighted enough to run a black man and Hillary Clinton as their primary candidates in an election that they could have taken easily.

As such, they will lose, unless the GOP does something idiotic, like nominating Giuliani or Romney (I don’t see this happening). If Ron Paul is nominated, the Democratic party is finished. For good. We are watching history in the making.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
You know, after reading Nominal Prospects latest flurry of posts it occurred to me why he won’t give an inch in the face of all the solid political facts thrown in his face.

Nominal Prospect IS RON PAUL!

Mr. Paul, or should I address you as Congressman?

Either way, a few questions if you don’t mind.

  1. How do you intend to overcome such seemingly insurmountable odds? I mean most polls (not done by retards or Paul followers) have you at only 2% of the vote. And you’ve been languishing at this level debate after debate. I bet you are surprised that people have not caught onto the fact that you’re George Washington like. Um…that is to say you’re founding father material. A friggin genius.

  2. Where will your money be coming from in the future? Don’t you agree that you’ll just about have to win, or finish a strong second in NH in order to keep the money flowing into your campaign? Or, because of your super intellect do you have some other way of reaching the people? Are you going to give them a tin foil hat like the one you wear on Tuesday nights…at home when no one sees you? And communicate with them that way? And do you feel that after you become President that the “tin” prices will jump because of this?

  3. What do you tell those people who feel that you do not have the capacity to lead this great country after serving only as a Congressman? And by the way no modern President has ever been elected as a sitting Congressman. You do know that don’t you sir? Ahh…stupid question sorry. I know that you’ve never allowed the facts to slow you down. And that’s because you are a true visionary sir. Yes sir…you see things that others never see. You’re quite the hallucinator sir.

  4. Is it true that you pee’d yourself after not moving up even one fraction of one point after the last debate? Now don’t get me wrong…2% is good…um…it’s really good…

  5. Is it true that they won’t let you into the Iowa debate because they’re scared of what you have to say? Or, is it the fact that they’ve never let insignificant nobody’s like yourself into the Iowa debate since they started having Iowa debates? And if they started doing that every knuckle head with half baked ideas would try to get a little Iowa face time?

I have other questions but please answer these first Congressman. I’m sure that I’ll have plenty of opportunities to ask you more questions on your way to the White House. I mean after this t nation interview your name will be huge among muscle builders, strong men and other strength minded athletes.

And this support along with your other support could very well launch your poll numbers into the 2.2% to 2.4% range. Clearly this would give your followers even more of a thrill than when you literally shot from 1.7% to your current 2% level. Watching a catapulting political star such as yourself is nothing short of watching history in the making. Um…wow.

Yes this will kick start your campaign like nothing you’ve ever done in the past. And heaven knows you need to kick start this sagging campaign of yours…err I mean…you’re going to make a fine President Mr. Paul…a fine President.

Oh, just one more thing, for the purposes of this thread can we address you by your screen name, Nominal Prospect? Or, should we stick with Congressman?

Either way is fine with me sir. After all next year it’s going to be Mr. President anyway.

:wink:

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Greetings!!!

Regardless of your stance on ron paul, everyone should agree that this post was GENIUS!!!

Now, Mick and I have gone round and round about Rudy. We haven’t agreed on much.

However, this post was a thing of beauty.

I salute you.

Oh, guys, ron paul and his “understand” bin laden, is foolish beyond belief.

Basically, we would be legitimizing a sociopath. That would lead to more power. Us changing ANYTHING based on bin laden’s words would encourage more attacks. It would be legitimizing terror as a tactic.

No, thanks.

This guy is a punk who was stomped on by Rudy.

You heard the crowd.

If not, - YouTube

For serious students of politics, when is Thompson going to announce?

JeffR

[quote]orion wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Okay, I have to admit that Ron Paul is really doing well in the polls…Err…Um…well Internet polls that is.

Read all about why Internet polls are so very scientific and quite an accurate barometer of the voters feelings.

Um…you mean they’re not?

Dude, we get it.

Now to the things you don`t get.

100+ million something potential voters?

Your vote means shit.

You might as well vote for the one you believe in and actually change something by reminding the public that there is more out there…

We could of course always vote for the lesser evil, marry the lesser evil and get the job that sucks the least and after ten years or so we go search ourselves a nice tower with lots of ammunition in our pockets.[/quote]

bota,

It might be refreshing if you produced some leadership in Austria that wasn’t either totally forgettable or a nazi sympathizer.

Until that point, please don’t lecture us on our political system.

Stick to the bicycle.

Thanks!!!

JeffR

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
ABC News: Ron Paul Tops McCain in Cash on Hand

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/ron-paul-tops-m.html

He is now third place. Watch him go. Next debate is August 5 in Des Moines. Broadcast by ABC. Ron will be there and so will his supporters.

McCain is finished. Rudy will be next.

McCain was never in it. Paul is a distant 3rd. I think Obama raised more money in a week.

You’re right. The Dems are raising more money than all the GOPers, not just Ron Paul.

And the reason is people, in general, want a democrat to be President this year. If you knew anything about Presidential cycles you would realize that no matter who the GOP candidate is they’ll have an uphill battle.

Here’s a clue:

8 years of Ike…along came JFK

8 years (almost) of Nixon…along came Jimmy Carter

8 years of Reagan he was so popular we had 4 more years of a republican. This has only been repeated in modern times after Roosvelts long run which Truman topped off. Obviously GW is not popular.

8 years of Bill Clinton…along came GW.

8 years of GW…along came__________ fill in the blank, but it will most likely be a democrat.

I say Hillary or Edwards.

But that hardly matters, because they were short-sighted enough to run a black man and Hillary Clinton as their primary candidates in an election that they could have taken easily.

Or are you short sighted thinking that a woman or a Black cannot win?

I tend to think that Hillary will could take the nomination and also win the Presidency. Obama saam a rama not so likely. But not just because he’s black. He’s inexperienced and I think that will show up in a long campaign in many ways.

As such, they will lose, unless the GOP does something idiotic, like nominating Giuliani or Romney (I don’t see this happening).

Romney might be the only person who could defeat Hillary…maybe not.

If Ron Paul is nominated, the Democratic party is finished. For good. We are watching history in the making.

LOL

And it’s statements like that that take all of your credibility away…

(waving to your credibility flying out the window)[/quote]

Mick,

You are correct in your historical analysis.

However, I’m counting on some things to keep hillary out of the White House. First, the democratic Congress. They are loathsome. That is the silver lining from 2006. Anyone tempted to “give the other guy a chance” can think immediately of the incompetence of the democratic Congressional leadership. Second, hillary.

She will undoubtedly garner the ignorant and the sexist. “Hey, we need a woman.” However, offsetting this will be the chauvinists, the people who hate hillary, and I’ll bet she drives down democratic participation in the election. On this very board, some of our democratic friends have expressed absolute loathing for hillary.

Third, I’ll bet some Iraq troop reductions are coming in 2008. Fourth, as the nutcases (ron paul) are thrown off the stage and Rudy has more time to express his views, I’ll bet more people become enthusiastic about his candidacy.

JeffR

Hey Jeff, go tell the folks on FR your theory about Giuliani winning - you will get laughed off stage. Incidentally, that is where I first got the idea that the Dems were near-finished as a party (someone put it in their tag line).

You completely miss the mark as far as terrorism is concerned. Terrorism, like any tactic, is “legitimized” by it’s real-world performance. No terrorist in the world is going to quit being a terrorist simply because the U.S. President spoke out against it.

As I have pointed out time and again, terrorism works - THAT is why it is being used against us. Our conventional military cannot win against 4th generation warfare tactics. The state has lost it’s monopoly on warfare.

Interestingly, neo-cons show some understanding of the problem in their periodic complaints about the rules of engagement that prevent our troops from routing out the enemy. Yet, for some reason, you’re unable to put two-and-two together and realize the implications of this policy on the WoT.

Tell me this: Do you think Hillary Clinton, of all people, is going to scrap the RoE and be the one to say, “fuck it, just kill em like we did in WWII”?

Be honest, Jeffy. It ain’t gonna happen. That time is over and done with. It’s history. If Bush, in all his neocon might, did not do it, then nobody else will. It’s time to face the facts. We are in a war that we CANNOT win. Ron Paul is the only person brave enough to take us out of this mess. For this, he will become the next President of the United States.

You don’t realize it, but you, my friend, are not a real conservative. You are a Wilsonian, liberal interventionist. Your kind is about to be banished from the public arena. The American public hasn’t got the stomach for this business. Your day has come.

RonPaul2008

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Hey Jeff, go tell the folks on FR your theory about Giuliani winning - you will get laughed off stage. Incidentally, that is where I first got the idea that the Dems were near-finished as a party (someone put it in their tag line).

You completely miss the mark as far as terrorism is concerned. Terrorism, like any tactic, is “legitimized” by it’s real-world performance. No terrorist in the world is going to quit being a terrorist simply because the U.S. President spoke out against it.

As I have pointed out time and again, terrorism works - THAT is why it is being used against us. Our conventional military cannot win against 4th generation warfare tactics. The state has lost it’s monopoly on warfare.

Interestingly, neo-cons show some understanding of the problem in their periodic complaints about the rules of engagement that prevent our troops from routing out the enemy. Yet, for some reason, you’re unable to put two-and-two together and realize the implications of this policy on the WoT.

Tell me this: Do you think Hillary Clinton, of all people, is going to scrap the RoE and be the one to say, “fuck it, just kill em like we did in WWII”?

Be honest, Jeffy. It ain’t gonna happen. That time is over and done with. It’s history. If Bush, in all his neocon might, did not do it, then nobody else will. It’s time to face the facts. We are in a war that we CANNOT win. Ron Paul is the only person brave enough to take us out of this mess. For this, he will become the next President of the United States.

You don’t realize it, but you, my friend, are not a real conservative. You are a Wilsonian, liberal interventionist. Your kind is about to be banished from the public arena. The American public hasn’t got the stomach for this business. Your day has come.

RonPaul2008[/quote]

Interesting.

However, ron paul’s stance is FAR more dangerous.

It’s all about showing weakness. If we show it, our enemies capitalize.

If they are being killed by the dozens, it’s harder to recruit.

Regardless of what the lixy’s of the world say, there is not an endless supply of scum.

However, imagine if we pull the old ron paul, “Let’s try to understand where bin laden is coming from” crap. Then that emboldens any of the fence sitters who currently aren’t using terrorism.

By the way, the only people that terrorism is making run for cover are the duplitious dems and the ron pauls.

If we all were ironclad in our resolve to root it out and destroy it, we could knock it down to something far less lethal.

No, we can’t stop every single act of terror for all time.

However, it CAN be signficantly be reduced.

If we try the Fortress America crap, we are in trouble.

This isn’t 1812. These guys are here already. They’ll hit again.

It’s all about power. Which petty punk is trying to rule his local caliphate.

If said punk can make the Americans run, he will be feared and respected.

ron paul not only lacks everything needed to be elected, his thinking is fatally flawed.

Oh, Rudy will be the nominee. Get used to it.

Finally, by putting Rudy up, the Republicans show that they are a party of ideas. The tent is large and diverse.

It is the polar opposite of the party of hypocrites, racists, and blow-hards (see joe biden (racial slurs) klanman byrd, algore (energy, marijuana) etc.

JeffR

-Press Release: Ron Paul Wins Big in First New Hampshire Straw Poll

[quote]FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 7, 2007

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA - Presidential candidate Ron Paul today won the Coalition for New Hampshire Taxpayers (CNHT) straw poll at their annual picnic in Hopkinton, New Hampshire. Dr. Paul received 182 of 294 votes cast, or 65 percent. In second place was Rudy Giuliani with 24 votes, or 8 percent.

“Today’s strong victory is further proof that Dr. Paul’s message is resonating throughout New Hampshire,” said campaign manager Lew Moore. “Dr. Paul is the only candidate in this race truly dedicated to smaller government and lower taxes for all Americans.” [/quote]

-A Fourth of July straw poll for Republicans (Ron Paul in Second Place)

[quote]Year after year, the Fourth of July gathering by the Cobb County GOP is one of the largest in the state. On Thursday, 247 cast votes in a presidential straw poll.

To no one’s surprise, Fred Thompson - who has a fund-raiser in Atlanta on Friday - was the leader. But the fact that Ron Paul and Mitt Romney finished second and third may be significant. Possibly. It was just a straw poll.

Jason Shepherd, the Cobb coordinator of the Georgia Draft Fred Thompson Committee, sent us the break-down:

Fred Thompson: 30 percent;

Ron Paul: 17 percent

Mitt Romney: 15 percent

Mike Huckabee: 13 percent

Newt Gingrich: 12 percent

Rudy Giuliani: 10 percent

John McCain, Tom Tancredo, Jim Gilmore: 1 percent[/quote]

===YouTube Videos===

-80’s Flashback - Ron Paul on Morton Downey Jr. (Watch this!)

Summary: An audience member challenges Dr. Paul on his position to end the war on drugs. Dr. Paul responds.

Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate (that I know of) who says he will abolish the Federal Reserve System.

That’s reason enough to vote for him.

Money is the root of all evil. Destroy the fiat currency…you destroy the corporate imperialists too

[quote]Rocky101 wrote:
Money is the root of all evil.
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It would be more accurate to state that, “The love of money is the root of all evil.”

Still one could be even more specific in relation to the Federal Reserve system and government. Perhaps Lew Rockwell stated it best:

Monetary policy is,aside from war,the primary tool of state aggrandizement. It ensures the growth of government, finances deficits, rewards special interests, and fixes elections. Without it, the federal leviathan would collapse, and we could return to the republic of the Founding Fathers.
---- Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.