Romney vs. Santorum; It's ON!

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Let’s not forget folks. The next president may appoint 2 more JOTSC. Almost ANY republican and some democrats would be better for that than Obama. These people do not go away in four years and the way its played now THEY make the law. Better think.[/quote]

And…that’s what I’ve been telling the purists around here for several months. There is no one worse to have appoint a Judge than Barack Obama.

But by all means they need to stick to their conservative principals and nominate someone who will get destroyed in the general election…They can feel better about themselves that way.

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It was my unending cry during the last election too.

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Religion has always been a hot bed topic to deal with. And in 2012 it’s hotter than ever. You have a wide spread of people who are very devout Chritians. Then you have many more atheists and agnostics than ever. And you most likely have more people than ever who couldn’t care less one way or the other but have some idea that there is a God.

Given the above why…oh way…would any intelligent human being who is going to run for President of the United States make such a speech?

Don’t get me wrong I respect Santorum’s religious view and I don’t think that he’s wrong. But these are the things that you say from the bully pulpit once you are actually elected! That is how you lead, that is how you sway opinion in your favor.

Which proves my original point regarding Santorum, that is he’s not ready for prime time. He’s no match for master Obama and the Chicago smear machine. What we need is someone who can match the mud slinging that Obama will bring and face him down on the debate stage. And someone who has the money to back up his play. That man is Mitt Romney, whether you like him or not. If there is even to be a chance to defeat Obama Romney must be the nominee.

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Here’s Romney’s beliefs about Satan.

Satan, also called the adversary or the devil, is the enemy of all righteousness and of those who seek to follow God. He is a spirit son of God who was once an angel ?in authority in the presence of God? (D&C 76:25; see also Isaiah 14:12; D&C 76:26?27). But in the premortal Council in Heaven, Lucifer, as Satan was then called, rebelled against God. Since that time, he has sought to destroy the children of God on the earth and to make them miserable.
Additional Information

One primary issue in the conflict between God and Satan is agency. Agency is a precious gift from God; it is essential to His plan for His children. In Satan’s rebellion against God, Satan ?sought to destroy the agency of man? (Moses 4:3). He said: ?I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor? (Moses 4:1).

Satan persuaded ?a third part of the hosts of heaven? to turn away from the Father (D&C 29:36). As a result of this rebellion, Satan and his followers were cut off from God’s presence and denied the blessing of receiving a physical body (see Revelation 12:9).

Heavenly Father allows Satan and Satan’s followers to tempt us as part of our experience in mortality (see 2 Nephi 2:11-14; D&C 29:39). Because Satan ?seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself? (2 Nephi 2:27), he and his followers try to lead us away from righteousness. He directs his most strenuous opposition at the most important aspects of Heavenly Father’s plan of happiness. For example, he seeks to discredit the Savior and the priesthood, to cast doubt on the power of the Atonement, to counterfeit revelation, to distract us from the truth, and to contradict individual accountability. He attempts to undermine the family by confusing gender, promoting sexual relations outside of marriage, ridiculing marriage, and discouraging childbearing by married adults who would otherwise raise children in righteousness.

Individuals do not have to give in to Satan’s temptations. Each person has the power to choose good over evil, and the Lord has promised to help all who seek Him through sincere prayer and faithfulness.

http://www.lds.org/study/topics/satan?lang=eng&query=satan

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Romney was in a leadership role, a local Bishop, according to the Washington Post.

In the interview I posted (the one where Missouri and Jerusalem rule the world), Romney says he believes as his Church teaches.

  1. Romney is a ‘homophobe.’ Supports marriage definition amendment
  2. Romney is ‘anti-choice.’
  3. Believes in Satan.

Bam!

Look at that dang religious freak. No way we can run that guy!

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One of the reasons that JFK won is because he told voters that his religion would not be a wedge, and he would be able to be a fair President for Americans of all faiths.

Rick Santorum will have a very hard time making the same case for himself.

:frowning:

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[quote]Christine wrote:

I really don’t think that Obama will attack Romney’s religion. This would be a huge turn-off to independent voters.[/quote]

Obama won’t need to do that… Fundamentalist Christian conservatives have already been attacking Romney’s religion plenty. Obama won’t need to mention it, that groundwork has already been laid. There are many fundamentalist Sunday Schools where they teach the kids that Mormonism is a cult, and not a real branch of Christianity. It’s going to be tough for Romney to overcome that lifetime of teaching against his faith, among Republican voters. You can already see that with Romney’s weak primary results.

Gosh, this election is fun to watch.

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[quote]K2000 wrote:<<< There are many fundamentalist Sunday Schools where they teach the kids that Mormonism is a cult, and not a real branch of Christianity. >>>[/quote]I have stood in the pulpit and taught that myself. Rather competently I must add. I stand absolutely by every word. Romney’s Mormonism would not prevent me from voting him any more than Gingrich’s whoredom would prevent me from voting for him. They all suck, but somebody’s gotta be president and I am NOT giving up my right to vote. I’m sure Santorum has some crap back there too.

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
Gosh, this election is fun to watch.
[/quote]

Isn’t it though? I’m disappointed that I have a homeowners meeting in a few minutes, so I’m going to miss the debate.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Here’s Romney’s beliefs about Satan.

Satan, also called the adversary or the devil, is the enemy of all righteousness and of those who seek to follow God. He is a spirit son of God who was once an angel ?in authority in the presence of God? (D&C 76:25; see also Isaiah 14:12; D&C 76:26?27). But in the premortal Council in Heaven, Lucifer, as Satan was then called, rebelled against God. Since that time, he has sought to destroy the children of God on the earth and to make them miserable.
Additional Information

One primary issue in the conflict between God and Satan is agency. Agency is a precious gift from God; it is essential to His plan for His children. In Satan’s rebellion against God, Satan ?sought to destroy the agency of man? (Moses 4:3). He said: ?I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor? (Moses 4:1).

Satan persuaded ?a third part of the hosts of heaven? to turn away from the Father (D&C 29:36). As a result of this rebellion, Satan and his followers were cut off from God’s presence and denied the blessing of receiving a physical body (see Revelation 12:9).

Heavenly Father allows Satan and Satan’s followers to tempt us as part of our experience in mortality (see 2 Nephi 2:11-14; D&C 29:39). Because Satan ?seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself? (2 Nephi 2:27), he and his followers try to lead us away from righteousness. He directs his most strenuous opposition at the most important aspects of Heavenly Father’s plan of happiness. For example, he seeks to discredit the Savior and the priesthood, to cast doubt on the power of the Atonement, to counterfeit revelation, to distract us from the truth, and to contradict individual accountability. He attempts to undermine the family by confusing gender, promoting sexual relations outside of marriage, ridiculing marriage, and discouraging childbearing by married adults who would otherwise raise children in righteousness.

Individuals do not have to give in to Satan’s temptations. Each person has the power to choose good over evil, and the Lord has promised to help all who seek Him through sincere prayer and faithfulness.

http://www.lds.org/study/topics/satan?lang=eng&query=satan[/quote]

Is he espousing those beliefs all around the country like a stupid college kid? Noooooo…can you say the same thing about Santorum? Nooooooo.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Romney was in a leadership role, a local Bishop, according to the Washington Post.

In the interview I posted (the one where Missouri and Jerusalem rule the world), Romney says he believes as his Church teaches.

  1. Romney is a ‘homophobe.’ Supports marriage definition amendment
  2. Romney is ‘anti-choice.’
  3. Believes in Satan.

Bam!

Look at that dang religious freak. No way we can run that guy!
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And the Catholic church opposes contraception. So by your (not so) fine analysis a Catholic would not be able to win the White House. It’s not what someone’s religion says (necessarily), it’s how the candidate carry’s that belief forward. And Santorum is very crude and in your face, and the media will make him look even worse than he is. And in fact they already have!

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:<<< There are many fundamentalist Sunday Schools where they teach the kids that Mormonism is a cult, and not a real branch of Christianity. >>>[/quote]I have stood in the pulpit and taught that myself. Rather competently I must add. I stand absolutely by every word. Romney’s Mormonism would not prevent me from voting him any more than Gingrich’s whoredom would prevent me from voting for him. They all suck, but somebody’s gotta be president and I am NOT giving up my right to vote. I’m sure Santorum has some crap back there too.
[/quote]

How about we hire the most qualified candidate regardless of race or religion? WOW…what a crazy thought.

Would you ask a doctor who was about to save your life if he was a Christian? I don’t think you would. If the man is qualified to operate on you and save your life then I bet you’d let him regardless of his religious views.

My brothers on the far right need to take a step back and realize that we are now at a cross roads in this country. And we need someone who understands the economy and has had executive experience. The only republican I see running for President who has those qualifications is Mitt Romney.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

And the Catholic church opposes contraception. So by your (not so) fine analysis[/quote]

Not mine, using your analysis. Romney is too much of a social conservative.

[quote] It’s not what someone’s religion says (necessarily), it’s how the candidate carry’s that belief forward. And Santorum is very crude and in your face, and the media will make him look even worse than he is. And in fact they already have!
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Crude, and in your face? You’re referring to a video of a speech at a Catholic university!

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
…Obama won’t need to do that… Fundamentalist Christian conservatives have already been attacking Romney’s religion plenty. Obama won’t need to mention it, that groundwork has already been laid. There are many fundamentalist Sunday Schools where they teach the kids that Mormonism is a cult, and not a real branch of Christianity. It’s going to be tough for Romney to overcome that lifetime of teaching against his faith, among Republican voters. You can already see that with Romney’s weak primary results…[/quote]

I’ve said this for a LONG time.

Mufasa

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Here’s Romney’s beliefs about Satan.

Satan, also called the adversary or the devil, is the enemy of all righteousness and of those who seek to follow God. He is a spirit son of God who was once an angel ?in authority in the presence of God? (D&C 76:25; see also Isaiah 14:12; D&C 76:26?27). But in the premortal Council in Heaven, Lucifer, as Satan was then called, rebelled against God. Since that time, he has sought to destroy the children of God on the earth and to make them miserable.
Additional Information

One primary issue in the conflict between God and Satan is agency. Agency is a precious gift from God; it is essential to His plan for His children. In Satan’s rebellion against God, Satan ?sought to destroy the agency of man? (Moses 4:3). He said: ?I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor? (Moses 4:1).

Satan persuaded ?a third part of the hosts of heaven? to turn away from the Father (D&C 29:36). As a result of this rebellion, Satan and his followers were cut off from God’s presence and denied the blessing of receiving a physical body (see Revelation 12:9).

Heavenly Father allows Satan and Satan’s followers to tempt us as part of our experience in mortality (see 2 Nephi 2:11-14; D&C 29:39). Because Satan ?seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself? (2 Nephi 2:27), he and his followers try to lead us away from righteousness. He directs his most strenuous opposition at the most important aspects of Heavenly Father’s plan of happiness. For example, he seeks to discredit the Savior and the priesthood, to cast doubt on the power of the Atonement, to counterfeit revelation, to distract us from the truth, and to contradict individual accountability. He attempts to undermine the family by confusing gender, promoting sexual relations outside of marriage, ridiculing marriage, and discouraging childbearing by married adults who would otherwise raise children in righteousness.

Individuals do not have to give in to Satan’s temptations. Each person has the power to choose good over evil, and the Lord has promised to help all who seek Him through sincere prayer and faithfulness.

http://www.lds.org/study/topics/satan?lang=eng&query=satan[/quote]

Is he espousing those beliefs all around the country like a stupid college kid? Noooooo…can you say the same thing about Santorum? Nooooooo.[/quote]

All around the country? One last time, it was at a Catholic university. He is a Catholic. Gosh, good thing he didn’t mention that whole bread to body, or wine to blood thing. Even if it was at a Catholic university. Romney has been both a bishop and missionary for his church. So you could say he even went international. Romney also mentioned the Missouri deal on radio. The difference? There was a video camera at the university (and the radio station in Romney’s case). This is lame coming from a so called conservative. What are you going to do when another Romney video comes out of him speaking to fellow Mormons about their faith? Sweep that right away?

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[quote]K2000 wrote:

[quote]Christine wrote:

I really don’t think that Obama will attack Romney’s religion. This would be a huge turn-off to independent voters.[/quote]

Obama won’t need to do that… Fundamentalist Christian conservatives have already been attacking Romney’s religion plenty. Obama won’t need to mention it, that groundwork has already been laid. There are many fundamentalist Sunday Schools where they teach the kids that Mormonism is a cult, and not a real branch of Christianity. It’s going to be tough for Romney to overcome that lifetime of teaching against his faith, among Republican voters. You can already see that with Romney’s weak primary results.

Gosh, this election is fun to watch.
[/quote]

Actually, according to gallup, independents and Democrats are less likely to vote for a Mormon. His weak primary results are because he’s a weak, weak, weak, candidate.

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Santorum campaign suggests Mitt Romney may have done deal to make Ron Paul his running mate:

Their wives get along so well - ‘great friends.’ Campaigns in touch with each other ‘daily.’ Maybe not a Romney/Paul ticket but Paul and Romney are working together to knock down the last two conservative pins in the lane.

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“To those who say we should simply focus on fiscal issues, I say you would not be able to print enough money in a thousand years to pay for the government you would need if the traditional family collapses.” - Congressman Mike Pence

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I’d say congressman pence is a little late

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[quote]ZEB wrote:<<< The only republican I see running for President who has those qualifications is Mitt Romney. [/quote]The only qualification I’m looking at is getting this communist hippie outta my white house. It’s almost inconceivable that ANY Republican could do more damage to this dying nation than a second Obama term.