@sex machine… Really, not sure your point but this is for you…
‘Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.’
Edward Everett
“Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world.”
Nelson Mandela
‘A human being is not attaining his full heights until he is educated.’
Horace Mann
‘America is the best half-educated country in the world.’
Nicholas M. Butle
‘An educated man is thoroughly inoculated against humbug, thinks for himself and tries to give his thoughts, in speech or on paper, some style.’
Alan K. Simpson
‘An educated people can be easily governed.’
Frederick The Great
[quote]okage wrote: @sex machine… Really, not sure your point but this is for you…
‘Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.’
Edward Everett
“Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world.”
Nelson Mandela
‘A human being is not attaining his full heights until he is educated.’
Horace Mann
‘America is the best half-educated country in the world.’
Nicholas M. Butle
‘An educated man is thoroughly inoculated against humbug, thinks for himself and tries to give his thoughts, in speech or on paper, some style.’
Alan K. Simpson
‘An educated people can be easily governed.’
Frederick The Great[/quote]
I’m not laughing at you but at the pitiful state of academia and institutions of higher learning nowadays. I agree with your maxims.
#2. I disagree. I believe that most people think that the president has little to do with the gas prices.[/quote]
Incorrect - fairly or unfairly, presidents get blamed for these kinds of phenomena whether they have direct control or no w/r/t to the economy, or in other words, “it’s the economy, stupid.”
However, President Obama has an additional problem because he has taken policy stances that have direct effect on gas prices - the latest is the refusal to agree to the Keystone pipeline. And yes, the public is aware of that, and even for those that aren’t, they will be.
Further, Obama is on the record as saying that higher gas prices are ok by him, and he has also said they they are harmful. He’s given a direct political opinion on the matter, and he’ll have to answer for these opinions.
Can we bury the hatchet long enough for me to ask you if you think the critical undecided block actually understands this? Or are you saying that they simply feel the effect of it?
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I do. I think they understand this more than many other political things because this is almost visceral - who doesn’t wince every time they go past a gas station and see these prices skyrocketing? Who doesn’t grumble every time they fill up and the amount is climbing into the 50s, 60s, 70s (dollars) and beyond?
This might be the most poignant political issue of them all (at the moment) because no one can escape it, regardless of their level of interest in politics. Everyone knows someone without a job, everyone is feeling salary/wage freezes, and everyone is watching more and more money go into their gas tank.
The “critical undecided block” isn’t stupid, even if they happen not to have white-hot intensity over politics (which is a good thing on their part). They pay bills, they balance checkbooks, they watch 401ks, and they spend a lot of time in their cars. This is a pocketbook issue that won’t be ignored by the undecideds.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[Hold on there Christine, I never said there was a conspiracy. A conspiracy means that they are acting concert and in secrecy for the same goal, that is not the case. They just mostly happen to be liberals (80% of the press are registered dems) and they support Obama.
Simple.[/quote]
Fair enough. Their world is colored by their experiences and beliefs.[/quote]
Yeah, just like the rest of us. Some people expect journalists to separate their personal political view from their professional veiw and how they approach their work. Well, this just doesn’t happen. Human beings are far too flawed to pull this off, at least for very long.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
As I’ve said repeatedly there is no upside for Romney to NOT get rid of Obamacare. ABout 65% of America hates, he said he’d get rid of it and he’s made promises to many conservatives about getting rid of it.
Why wouldn’t he get rid of it? What’s the impetus to keep it? You think he has core values that cause him to really like it? And if he does have core values then why is he lying about getting rid of it?
Him NOT getting rid of it makes no sense. And if Romney is anything he’s practical.[/quote]
How would President Romney just “get rid of” a law that has already been passed by both houses of Congress, signed by then-President Obama, and started to go into effect? Wouldn’t that require a new law to be passed by Congress to repeal the existing law?[/quote]
No, it’s called an executive order. And there are actually plenty of ways to kill Obamacare as it has not yet gone into effect. And I believe that Romney would absolutely kill it. As I said there is no reason not to and every reason to do it. And if you want to know what a politician will do look at his risk/reward ratio. In other words, in this case he is punished severely for not killing it. And rewarded greatly for doing it. There is no down side to killing it and a great upside. If Romney is elected he will kill Obamacare.
Every single thing said by any politician must be looked at this way.
All the talk about Romney being a flip flopper doesn’t bother me in the least, in fact quite the contrary. This tells me that he will do the most expedient thing. Knowing this going forward is a great comfort. He is perhaps more obvious than a few of the other candidates, but they are also in that same mold. For example, Santorum was for a woman’s right to choose before he ran for office. When he ran he needed to appeal to the pro life demographic, so he immediately adopted a pro life stance.
“Elect me I agree with you” is what these guys base their life on.
Once again, 65% of the American electorate is against Obamacare, Romney wants to say “elect me (again) I agree with you” So why won’t he ditch Obamacare?
Stop believing the bullshit ads run by Gingrich and Santorum. They are no better than Romney. We need a guy who can beat Obama Romney is that guy!
Vote for the whore who can beat their whore! Vote Romney! Probably never see that on a bumper sticker huh?
[quote]Christine wrote:
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Yeah, but people’s memories are short and I’m not sure how many people are paying attention. Most people I know are barely aware that there is even a primary race going on.
The base will vote for Romney in the end because, to them, anybody is better than Obama. Something will come along to get them fired up.[/quote]
They are looking for something hence birth control, abortion, Obama apologizing again and the list goes on
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[Hold on there Christine, I never said there was a conspiracy. A conspiracy means that they are acting concert and in secrecy for the same goal, that is not the case. They just mostly happen to be liberals (80% of the press are registered dems) and they support Obama.
Simple.[/quote]
Fair enough. Their world is colored by their experiences and beliefs.[/quote]
Yeah, just like the rest of us. Some people expect journalists to separate their personal political view from their professional veiw and how they approach their work. Well, this just doesn’t happen. Human beings are far too flawed to pull this off, at least for very long. [/quote]
When you talk about mainstream media, you mean journalists? I’ve always only thought of them as a small part of the media overall.
Republican party is in sad shape when it is going to have to begrudgingly get behind a guy like Romney. Great business man but just no integrity politically. If he is the strongest chance against Obama better get used to another four with Obummer.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
Republican party is in sad shape when it is going to have to begrudgingly get behind a guy like Romney. Great business man but just no integrity politically. If he is the strongest chance against Obama better get used to another four with Obummer.[/quote]
LOL integrity?
Tell me genius who in politics today has what you would call integrity. Certainly not hope & change Obama. He smiled while he lied to you knit wits who elected him and you ate it up.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
As I’ve said repeatedly there is no upside for Romney to NOT get rid of Obamacare. ABout 65% of America hates, he said he’d get rid of it and he’s made promises to many conservatives about getting rid of it.
Why wouldn’t he get rid of it? What’s the impetus to keep it? You think he has core values that cause him to really like it? And if he does have core values then why is he lying about getting rid of it?
Him NOT getting rid of it makes no sense. And if Romney is anything he’s practical.[/quote]
How would President Romney just “get rid of” a law that has already been passed by both houses of Congress, signed by then-President Obama, and started to go into effect? Wouldn’t that require a new law to be passed by Congress to repeal the existing law?[/quote]
No, it’s called an executive order. And there are actually plenty of ways to kill Obamacare as it has not yet gone into effect. And I believe that Romney would absolutely kill it. As I said there is no reason not to and every reason to do it. And if you want to know what a politician will do look at his risk/reward ratio. In other words, in this case he is punished severely for not killing it. And rewarded greatly for doing it. There is no down side to killing it and a great upside. If Romney is elected he will kill Obamacare.
Every single thing said by any politician must be looked at this way.
All the talk about Romney being a flip flopper doesn’t bother me in the least, in fact quite the contrary. This tells me that he will do the most expedient thing. Knowing this going forward is a great comfort. He is perhaps more obvious than a few of the other candidates, but they are also in that same mold. For example, Santorum was for a woman’s right to choose before he ran for office. When he ran he needed to appeal to the pro life demographic, so he immediately adopted a pro life stance.
“Elect me I agree with you” is what these guys base their life on.
Once again, 65% of the American electorate is against Obamacare, Romney wants to say “elect me (again) I agree with you” So why won’t he ditch Obamacare?
Stop believing the bullshit ads run by Gingrich and Santorum. They are no better than Romney. We need a guy who can beat Obama Romney is that guy!
Vote for the whore who can beat their whore! Vote Romney! Probably never see that on a bumper sticker huh?[/quote]
Romney said he would “repeal and replace” Obamacare. Replace with what? Of course he never says. But he did save the Olympics, lest we forget
You can put a positive spin on anything. Like saying people are not worried about the ridiculously high gas prices because they’re more worried about having a job. Um…YEAH. The fact is this is the singl worst economy in decades. I don’t have to go through the list of bad things like more people on food stamps, out of control spending by a government that is going broke. It’s just not good.
But here are the ways that Obama gets reelected:
The republicans nominate a candidate who is repugnant to the middle of the road voter.
The press puts on a full court press to put their man back in office. I say they do this regardless of where he sits in the polls. There is no more independent media and that goes for FOX too as they are in the tank for the republicans.
The economy actually does get better. Not “funny number” better but really does get better with unemployment hitting 7.9%, housing starts, and a whole bunch of other important economic indicators breaking for Obama.
Picks Hillary as his VP. I doubt that any republican could beat Obama/Hillary (yeah Romney/Rubio has a chance). She offers just enough punch to pull a huge majority of women and independents.
International crisis. In which case people usually rally around a sitting President. I feel that if Obama thinks he’s going to lose he’ll gin up a doozy of an international incident to stay in power. After all he is a Chicago politician. And by the way I wouldn’t put such tactics past most of them in either party.
Edit: Getting us out of Afghanistan would also be a huge plus in the polls.[/quote]
You are a broken record. This is not like any other recent election.
Republican candidates that appeal to the moderate voter lose a greater proportion of conservative voters than they gain in “middle of the road” voters. Why vote for a candidate that talks like a Dem when you can vote for a real Dem? Need to make a clear choice over Obama. Romney is not doing well enough in the primaries to convince me he is going to pull the voters off the sofa in November
Still with the MSM. For the last time they are a disapearing breed with little to no clout or credibility. Who comes home these days and reads “The Times” and watches “The News” when there are som many other information sources available.
There is nothing absolutely nothing that the Obama administration is doind to improve the economy except print money. More likely to see the bond market bubble burst than see the economy improve
Hillary as VP - you really pulled that one out of your ass. She is done with Obama. You give way to much credit to the VP pick which has almost no impact on the election. What is she going to bring to the table, NY, like Obama won’t win that state by 20% anyway
Obama will undoubtedly bow and apologize for the US causing this theoretical crisis and it will all go away. Just like our soldiers stopped getting killed when he apologized for the Koran burning
[quote]storey420 wrote:
Republican party is in sad shape when it is going to have to begrudgingly get behind a guy like Romney. Great business man but just no integrity politically. If he is the strongest chance against Obama better get used to another four with Obummer.[/quote]
LOL integrity?
Tell me genius who in politics today has what you would call integrity. Certainly not hope & change Obama. He smiled while he lied to you knit wits who elected him and you ate it up.
Politicians with integrity?..LOL[/quote]
Not to get into a “he cant win” argument but in his political career, yes I do believe via his collective body of speeches/addressing assemblies that Ron Paul shows integrity in his political views. That being said I dont think he can win by any means and agree with all of your umpteen hundred posts stating that position. There are others at the state level and a couple in Congress and Senate that seem to stick to their guns and hold a view that seems reasonable to me and dont sway in the wind with lobbyists or have heaps of records of speeches and statements that conflict over and over again like Romney. That was more my point so integrity was probably a poor word choice, I agree that you’d look long and hard through the political system to find the few with integrity.
On another note though, do you lack reading comprehension skills or something? I didnt vote for Obama, never have supported him, have stated that before in multiple places, and essentially dissed him in my post. So who are you calling a nit wit? and everything you just said about Obummer could easily be applied to Dubya, so whats the difference?
I would love to see a Republican take the lead but this crop of piss poor candidates aint gonna do it.
Each election has differences and similarities to previous elections. If you don’t know that you don’t know anything.
How many times do I have to point out (with few exceptions) that the far left or far right DO NOT get elected to the Presidency. Romney can win because he is a center right candidate. Simple. Santorum get’s destroyed as he will be branded as a right win religious zealot.
I agree the trend is away from TV and toward the Internet. But as it stands right now there are still millions of people who tune into the liberal establishment media. CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC and the rest. Far more than those who get their news from the Internet. And by the way most surveys show that those who get their news from the Internet are mostly young. And who do they vote for anyway? Uh Huh…go read a book.
Thanks for agreeing with me on this one. I never said otherwise, astute of you to not notice.
Nominee’s choose a candidate to run on the ticted for many different reasons. As for the VP not making a difference this is your dumbest comment to date (congrats!). I’ll give you just two examples because I’m actually tired of schooling you:
1- Kennedy picked LBJ as Kennedy was seen as a sophisticated north easterner. And because of his pick of a Texas Senator he won a slim victory vs Richard Nixon.
2- Jimmy Carter picked Walter Mondale a Senator from Minnesota and because of this pick he won that state and neighboring Wisconsin and took the Presidency away from Gerald Ford.
Hillary OBVIOUSLY does not have to win NY for the ticket. BUT…she can win women. But you didn’t think of that did you?
Granted, my prediction may seem out of left field. But if you were Obama would you rather run with idiot Joe Biden, or popular Hillary Clinton.
It may happen, it may not, but I think that if it looks like a close election there is a greater chance that Biden retires and he picks Clinton.
And by the way have you noticed that Bill Clinton has been strongly in Obama’s corner over the past three years? Now why do you suppose that a former President whose wife lost to Obama would stand behind the guy so strongly?
Think.
Anyway, ere are many, many other examples of where the VP made a big difference.
You really should read some political history. I think you’d like it and more importantly I woldn’t have to spend my posting time educating you.
[quote]5. Obama will undoubtedly bow and apologize for the US causing this theoretical crisis and it will all go away. Just like our soldiers stopped getting killed when he apologized for the Koran burning
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[quote]storey420 wrote:
Republican party is in sad shape when it is going to have to begrudgingly get behind a guy like Romney. Great business man but just no integrity politically. If he is the strongest chance against Obama better get used to another four with Obummer.[/quote]
LOL integrity?
Tell me genius who in politics today has what you would call integrity. Certainly not hope & change Obama. He smiled while he lied to you knit wits who elected him and you ate it up.
Politicians with integrity?..LOL[/quote]
Not to get into a “he cant win” argument but in his political career, yes I do believe via his collective body of speeches/addressing assemblies that Ron Paul shows integrity in his political views.[/quote]
Really now? Why do you suppose that Ron Paul has singled out every other candidate in the race (from the very beginning), with the exception of Mitt Romney. Do you need map to figure this one out? Ron Paul has no more integrity than the other whores, he’s just fooled you and other’s because he’d never really been in a position of power beyond his tiny Congressional seat (45,000 people elected him).
There is hope for you yet!
Well then just name them. If someone is sticking to his guns he’s doing because he’ll get reelected by doing it. In other words, he/she does it for gain.
Now get busy and name all those with integrity. Because for every ONE you name who you THINK has integrity I’ll name 20 who have none! And in the first 20 will be the names of Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney and Barack Obama.
But please give me your list of politicians (LOL) with integrity.
I phrased that incorrectly. I should have said “all of the knit wits who voted for him.” Certainly you are not one of them.
I’ll name just two differences.
1- Because of George Bush every working American got a 5% reduction in their taxes.
2- Because of George Bush we have two highly conservative Judges on the Supreme Court.
That right there my friend is enough for me to be loyal to the republican party. And I warn you don’t fall prey to the nonsense that there is no difference between the two party’s. You don’t want to live in a country where there is no republican party to balance out the leftist democrats. With that said I do wish that they were more conservative…but in time…in time.
[quote]I would love to see a Republican take the lead but this crop of piss poor candidates aint gonna do it.
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I’ll say it for the 12th time, Romney/Rubio can beat Obama. Things always look bad in a contentious primary. But when a winner emerges things change. One good example of that is when George Bush (41) said of Ronald Reagan’s economic views “He believes in voodoo economics”. Then 4 months later Reagan chose Bush as his running mate and they served two terms together in the White House.
This race is not over and Mitt Romney (with Rubio as his VP) IS the only man who can beat Obama!
