Not bad Christine. Pretty much true. People think we live in a digital monarchy where the President tweets a number and gas prices change.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Not bad Christine. Pretty much true. People think we live in a digital monarchy where the President tweets a number and gas prices change. [/quote]
OMG!
Trib and I can agree on something? Shit, armageddon just might be coming!
Hide your kids!
[quote]Christine wrote:
Yes, when people hear OBAMACARE, they don’t like it. But when they break it down to individual components they get less pissy.[/quote]
That’s because the context is removed - tell someone they get a benefit, of course they like it, if you leave out all the unfortunate information (costs, loss of access to preferred insurance, etc.)
Gas prices are very bad news for Obama, especially with moribund employment numbers. Why? The cost of living just keeps going up with little offset in the labor market (high unemployment is a function of weak demand for employment, so income is less likely to rise in a such a labor market, so there’s no offset to ever-increasing energy costs).
Yes, Obama will hear his words spoken back to him over and over about gas prices.
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
Something will come along to get them fired up.[/quote]
Certainly won’t be Romney.
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This is true. Romney doesn’t fire me up one way or the other. While I am definatly liberal, he seams mostly harmless.
Also, the left isn’t really fired up about anything either right now.
Santorum would fire up both ends.
When I see Romney, I think of last lines of “We Don’t Get Fooled Again.”[/quote]
We would not be fooled again , he would be just like Obama. Yeah he would have some minor differences but if there were no news source , I bet no one would know the difference
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Sometimes there is plenty of stupid on this board!
Obama – “I will raise your taxes”
Romney-- “I will lower your taxes”
Obama–“Obamacare is good for the country”
Romney-- “The first thing I will do as President is get rid of Obamacare”
Obama-- “I say no to the oil pipeline”
Romney-- “We need the oil pipeline”
Obama-- “Iran is no threat”
Romney-- “Iran is the current biggest threat”
The stated differences are virtually endless…
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I see what you’re saying and agree, but here is the thing with me personally. I just don’t trust him to do what he says, not at all, he flips all the time depending on who his targeted audience is.
Now, it is most def a fair point to say that Mitt may do things different, where Obama will surely do exactly as you say. But that’s the problem, that’s why we are where we are. I have to choose between an absolute disaster (Obama) or a guy that says a lot of things I want to hear, yet time and time again has done the opposite. But I will give you this, for sure anyone but the Golden Child. Hate this system, and it needs to change quick.
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Agree thoroughly with dk. But I do NOT believe Mitt will do a damned thing about Obamacare, and I quite frankly despise that. I do not trust him on that healthcare issue in any way, shape, or form. I don’t believe a word he says. Everything else is good and all, but there’s no way he cowboy’s up to that. And I’m frankly disgusted that I have to vote for a man I know is a pussy just to get the current disaster out of office. Because when (not if) Mitt ignores his campaign promise to get rid of Obamacare it will be far too late for the next president to have a prayer of canceling that ugly behemoth of an anchor.[/quote]
As I’ve said repeatedly there is no upside for Romney to NOT get rid of Obamacare. ABout 65% of America hates, he said he’d get rid of it and he’s made promises to many conservatives about getting rid of it.
Why wouldn’t he get rid of it? What’s the impetus to keep it? You think he has core values that cause him to really like it? And if he does have core values then why is he lying about getting rid of it?
Him NOT getting rid of it makes no sense. And if Romney is anything he’s practical.[/quote]
Yes, when people hear OBAMACARE, they don’t like it. But when they break it down to individual components they get less pissy.
Gas prices are going up, but people are more worried about having a job to go to than how much it costs to get them there and the unemployment rate is going down (yes, I know the republican spin is that people aren’t looking for jobs anymore) and the stock market is doing pretty good now. Are there issues and worries? Yes. But if the trend is positive, this is only good news for us all.
Of course all of this can change, but these going to be the issues people are thinking of when they cast their ballots.[/quote]
You can put a positive spin on anything. Like saying people are not worried about the ridiculously high gas prices because they’re more worried about having a job. Um…YEAH. The fact is this is the singl worst economy in decades. I don’t have to go through the list of bad things like more people on food stamps, out of control spending by a government that is going broke. It’s just not good.
But here are the ways that Obama gets reelected:
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The republicans nominate a candidate who is repugnant to the middle of the road voter.
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The press puts on a full court press to put their man back in office. I say they do this regardless of where he sits in the polls. There is no more independent media and that goes for FOX too as they are in the tank for the republicans.
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The economy actually does get better. Not “funny number” better but really does get better with unemployment hitting 7.9%, housing starts, and a whole bunch of other important economic indicators breaking for Obama.
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Picks Hillary as his VP. I doubt that any republican could beat Obama/Hillary (yeah Romney/Rubio has a chance). She offers just enough punch to pull a huge majority of women and independents.
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International crisis. In which case people usually rally around a sitting President. I feel that if Obama thinks he’s going to lose he’ll gin up a doozy of an international incident to stay in power. After all he is a Chicago politician. And by the way I wouldn’t put such tactics past most of them in either party.
Edit: Getting us out of Afghanistan would also be a huge plus in the polls.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Not bad Christine. Pretty much true. People think we live in a digital monarchy where the President tweets a number and gas prices change. [/quote]
No, you see that was only possible when GW Bush was President and the LIBERAL media beat him REPEATEDLY DAY AFTER DAY because you see the President should have done something about this. But now everyone has come to their senses and the main stream liberal media knows that it is just beyond the Presidents control.
But don’t worry should Romney be our next President and gas prices go up it will suddenly be the Presidents fault once again.
I’ve seen many Presidential cycles and every one of them goes exactly like that–They are predictable bastards.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:<<< Gas prices are very bad news for Obama, especially with moribund employment numbers. Why? The cost of living just keeps going up with little offset in the labor market (high unemployment is a function of weak demand for employment, so income is less likely to rise in a such a labor market, so there’s no offset to ever-increasing energy costs). >>>[/quote]Can we bury the hatchet long enough for me to ask you if you think the critical undecided block actually understands this? Or are you saying that they simply feel the effect of it?
This is undoubtedly so ZEB. Much of the PUBLIC though is simple enough to think that the president is like a king and just wills things to be, even if they don’t say it exactly that way.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
- International crisis. In which case people usually rally around a sitting President. I feel that if Obama thinks he’s going to lose he’ll gin up a doozy of an international incident to stay in power. After all he is a Chicago politician. And by the way I wouldn’t put such tactics past most of them in either party.
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I’ve been thinking a lot about this one these past few months. It’s probably a tricky proposal to implement because if things don’t go just riiiiight…
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Not really remember Bill Clinton suddenly finding terrorist Osama Bin Lade and bombing his hut/cave or wherever he was hiding? He did this a handful of days before the he trounced poor hapless Bob Dole.
Just a little reminder to the peons…“I am your President and I’m in control.”
Simple, you find a country that can’t fight back you claim there are GEEE HADDISTS hiding out and BABOOOM!
Yeah…politics is dirty. But by all means let’s hold out for that perrrrrfect candidate. AHAHAH like there is one, or ever was one. They truly are all whores (of sorts) I just like our whores better than theirs.
Cynical, or pragmatic?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
Something will come along to get them fired up.[/quote]
Certainly won’t be Romney.
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This is true. Romney doesn’t fire me up one way or the other. While I am definatly liberal, he seams mostly harmless.
Also, the left isn’t really fired up about anything either right now.
Santorum would fire up both ends.
When I see Romney, I think of last lines of “We Don’t Get Fooled Again.”[/quote]
We would not be fooled again , he would be just like Obama. Yeah he would have some minor differences but if there were no news source , I bet no one would know the difference
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Sometimes there is plenty of stupid on this board!
Obama – “I will raise your taxes”
Romney-- “I will lower your taxes”
Obama–“Obamacare is good for the country”
Romney-- “The first thing I will do as President is get rid of Obamacare”
Obama-- “I say no to the oil pipeline”
Romney-- “We need the oil pipeline”
Obama-- “Iran is no threat”
Romney-- “Iran is the current biggest threat”
The stated differences are virtually endless…
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I see what you’re saying and agree, but here is the thing with me personally. I just don’t trust him to do what he says, not at all, he flips all the time depending on who his targeted audience is.
Now, it is most def a fair point to say that Mitt may do things different, where Obama will surely do exactly as you say. But that’s the problem, that’s why we are where we are. I have to choose between an absolute disaster (Obama) or a guy that says a lot of things I want to hear, yet time and time again has done the opposite. But I will give you this, for sure anyone but the Golden Child. Hate this system, and it needs to change quick.
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Agree thoroughly with dk. But I do NOT believe Mitt will do a damned thing about Obamacare, and I quite frankly despise that. I do not trust him on that healthcare issue in any way, shape, or form. I don’t believe a word he says. Everything else is good and all, but there’s no way he cowboy’s up to that. And I’m frankly disgusted that I have to vote for a man I know is a pussy just to get the current disaster out of office. Because when (not if) Mitt ignores his campaign promise to get rid of Obamacare it will be far too late for the next president to have a prayer of canceling that ugly behemoth of an anchor.[/quote]
As I’ve said repeatedly there is no upside for Romney to NOT get rid of Obamacare. ABout 65% of America hates, he said he’d get rid of it and he’s made promises to many conservatives about getting rid of it.
Why wouldn’t he get rid of it? What’s the impetus to keep it? You think he has core values that cause him to really like it? And if he does have core values then why is he lying about getting rid of it?
Him NOT getting rid of it makes no sense. And if Romney is anything he’s practical.[/quote]
Yes, when people hear OBAMACARE, they don’t like it. But when they break it down to individual components they get less pissy.
Gas prices are going up, but people are more worried about having a job to go to than how much it costs to get them there and the unemployment rate is going down (yes, I know the republican spin is that people aren’t looking for jobs anymore) and the stock market is doing pretty good now. Are there issues and worries? Yes. But if the trend is positive, this is only good news for us all.
Of course all of this can change, but these going to be the issues people are thinking of when they cast their ballots.[/quote]
You can put a positive spin on anything. Like saying people are not worried about the ridiculously high gas prices because they’re more worried about having a job. Um…YEAH. The fact is this is the singl worst economy in decades. I don’t have to go through the list of bad things like more people on food stamps, out of control spending by a government that is going broke. It’s just not good.
But here are the ways that Obama gets reelected:
-
The republicans nominate a candidate who is repugnant to the middle of the road voter.
-
The press puts on a full court press to put their man back in office. I say they do this regardless of where he sits in the polls. There is no more independent media and that goes for FOX too as they are in the tank for the republicans.
-
The economy actually does get better. Not “funny number” better but really does get better with unemployment hitting 7.9%, housing starts, and a whole bunch of other important economic indicators breaking for Obama.
-
Picks Hillary as his VP. I doubt that any republican could beat Obama/Hillary (yeah Romney/Rubio has a chance). She offers just enough punch to pull a huge majority of women and independents.
-
International crisis. In which case people usually rally around a sitting President. I feel that if Obama thinks he’s going to lose he’ll gin up a doozy of an international incident to stay in power. After all he is a Chicago politician. And by the way I wouldn’t put such tactics past most of them in either party. [/quote]
I mostly agree with this post. I don’t believe there is a conspiracy by the media, but other than that… yeah.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
This is undoubtedly so ZEB. Much of the PUBLIC though is simple enough to think that the president is like a king and just wills things to be, even if they don’t say it exactly that way.[/quote]
I’ll go one better, the general public thinks about whatever the media puts in their face that day. And most don’t think beyond it. As a reminder “Hope & Change”. It would be funny if it were not so very pathetic.
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]dk44 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
Something will come along to get them fired up.[/quote]
Certainly won’t be Romney.
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This is true. Romney doesn’t fire me up one way or the other. While I am definatly liberal, he seams mostly harmless.
Also, the left isn’t really fired up about anything either right now.
Santorum would fire up both ends.
When I see Romney, I think of last lines of “We Don’t Get Fooled Again.”[/quote]
We would not be fooled again , he would be just like Obama. Yeah he would have some minor differences but if there were no news source , I bet no one would know the difference
[/quote]
Sometimes there is plenty of stupid on this board!
Obama – “I will raise your taxes”
Romney-- “I will lower your taxes”
Obama–“Obamacare is good for the country”
Romney-- “The first thing I will do as President is get rid of Obamacare”
Obama-- “I say no to the oil pipeline”
Romney-- “We need the oil pipeline”
Obama-- “Iran is no threat”
Romney-- “Iran is the current biggest threat”
The stated differences are virtually endless…
[/quote]
I see what you’re saying and agree, but here is the thing with me personally. I just don’t trust him to do what he says, not at all, he flips all the time depending on who his targeted audience is.
Now, it is most def a fair point to say that Mitt may do things different, where Obama will surely do exactly as you say. But that’s the problem, that’s why we are where we are. I have to choose between an absolute disaster (Obama) or a guy that says a lot of things I want to hear, yet time and time again has done the opposite. But I will give you this, for sure anyone but the Golden Child. Hate this system, and it needs to change quick.
[/quote]
Agree thoroughly with dk. But I do NOT believe Mitt will do a damned thing about Obamacare, and I quite frankly despise that. I do not trust him on that healthcare issue in any way, shape, or form. I don’t believe a word he says. Everything else is good and all, but there’s no way he cowboy’s up to that. And I’m frankly disgusted that I have to vote for a man I know is a pussy just to get the current disaster out of office. Because when (not if) Mitt ignores his campaign promise to get rid of Obamacare it will be far too late for the next president to have a prayer of canceling that ugly behemoth of an anchor.[/quote]
As I’ve said repeatedly there is no upside for Romney to NOT get rid of Obamacare. ABout 65% of America hates, he said he’d get rid of it and he’s made promises to many conservatives about getting rid of it.
Why wouldn’t he get rid of it? What’s the impetus to keep it? You think he has core values that cause him to really like it? And if he does have core values then why is he lying about getting rid of it?
Him NOT getting rid of it makes no sense. And if Romney is anything he’s practical.[/quote]
Yes, when people hear OBAMACARE, they don’t like it. But when they break it down to individual components they get less pissy.
Gas prices are going up, but people are more worried about having a job to go to than how much it costs to get them there and the unemployment rate is going down (yes, I know the republican spin is that people aren’t looking for jobs anymore) and the stock market is doing pretty good now. Are there issues and worries? Yes. But if the trend is positive, this is only good news for us all.
Of course all of this can change, but these going to be the issues people are thinking of when they cast their ballots.[/quote]
You can put a positive spin on anything. Like saying people are not worried about the ridiculously high gas prices because they’re more worried about having a job. Um…YEAH. The fact is this is the singl worst economy in decades. I don’t have to go through the list of bad things like more people on food stamps, out of control spending by a government that is going broke. It’s just not good.
But here are the ways that Obama gets reelected:
-
The republicans nominate a candidate who is repugnant to the middle of the road voter.
-
The press puts on a full court press to put their man back in office. I say they do this regardless of where he sits in the polls. There is no more independent media and that goes for FOX too as they are in the tank for the republicans.
-
The economy actually does get better. Not “funny number” better but really does get better with unemployment hitting 7.9%, housing starts, and a whole bunch of other important economic indicators breaking for Obama.
-
Picks Hillary as his VP. I doubt that any republican could beat Obama/Hillary (yeah Romney/Rubio has a chance). She offers just enough punch to pull a huge majority of women and independents.
-
International crisis. In which case people usually rally around a sitting President. I feel that if Obama thinks he’s going to lose he’ll gin up a doozy of an international incident to stay in power. After all he is a Chicago politician. And by the way I wouldn’t put such tactics past most of them in either party. [/quote]
I mostly agree with this post. I don’t believe there is a conspiracy by the media, but other than that… yeah.[/quote]
Hold on there Christine, I never said there was a conspiracy. A conspiracy means that they are acting concert and in secrecy for the same goal, that is not the case. They just mostly happen to be liberals (80% of the press are registered dems) and they support Obama.
Simple.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
Yes, when people hear OBAMACARE, they don’t like it. But when they break it down to individual components they get less pissy.[/quote]
That’s because the context is removed - tell someone they get a benefit, of course they like it, if you leave out all the unfortunate information (costs, loss of access to preferred insurance, etc.)
Gas prices are very bad news for Obama, especially with moribund employment numbers. Why? The cost of living just keeps going up with little offset in the labor market (high unemployment is a function of weak demand for employment, so income is less likely to rise in a such a labor market, so there’s no offset to ever-increasing energy costs).
Yes, Obama will hear his words spoken back to him over and over about gas prices.[/quote]
Not really sure of the point here. You haven’t really disagreed with what I have written.
#1. Yes. That was my point.
#2. I disagree. I believe that most people think that the president has little to do with the gas prices.
#3. See point two.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[Hold on there Christine, I never said there was a conspiracy. A conspiracy means that they are acting concert and in secrecy for the same goal, that is not the case. They just mostly happen to be liberals (80% of the press are registered dems) and they support Obama.
Simple.[/quote]
Fair enough. Their world is colored by their experiences and beliefs.
Blatant lie and latest flip-flop from Romney:
Question: Blunt/Rubio is being debated I believe later this week - that deals with allowing employers to ban or not provide female contraception. Have you taken a position on this? He says he’s for that…
Romney: I’m not for the bill but look - the idea of Presidential candidates getting into questions about contraception within a relationship between a man and a woman - husband and wife - I’m not going there.
Romney later said he didn’t understand the question.
“Of course I support the Blunt amendment. I thought he was talking about some state law that prevented people from getting contraception so I was simply - misunderstood the question and of course I support the Blunt amendment,” Romney later told Howie Carr’s radio program in Boston.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
As I’ve said repeatedly there is no upside for Romney to NOT get rid of Obamacare. ABout 65% of America hates, he said he’d get rid of it and he’s made promises to many conservatives about getting rid of it.
Why wouldn’t he get rid of it? What’s the impetus to keep it? You think he has core values that cause him to really like it? And if he does have core values then why is he lying about getting rid of it?
Him NOT getting rid of it makes no sense. And if Romney is anything he’s practical.[/quote]
How would President Romney just “get rid of” a law that has already been passed by both houses of Congress, signed by then-President Obama, and started to go into effect? Wouldn’t that require a new law to be passed by Congress to repeal the existing law?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Not bad Christine. Pretty much true. People think we live in a digital monarchy where the President tweets a number and gas prices change. [/quote]
He opposed drilling in the Gulf, he opposed and opposes the burgeoning oil industry in North Dakota, he opposes the Keystone pipeline etc
"The Energy Department isn’t working to lower gasoline prices directly, Secretary Steven Chu said Tuesday after a Republican lawmaker scolded him for his now-infamous 2008 comment that gas prices in the U.S. should be as high as in Europe.
Instead, DOE is working to promote alternatives such as biofuels and electric vehicles, Chu told House appropriators during a hearing on DOE’s budget."
The Obama administration is in eco-fairyland. They don’t care about the price of oil. They may not be able tweet the price down but they certainly know how to ensure prices will continue to rise.
Ron Paul for president!!
Stick to the constitution and all will be well. Stop freaking out about every little thing in the world and do your work to get yourself ahead of where you were yesterday. The debate between democrat and republican is disgusting.
Im nearly entirely against Obama Care for one reason. Health is an individuals responsibility, NOT the governments. Obesity, and a healthy life style needs to be taught in school NOT paid for by our country.
Birth born diseases and Defects should be covered by our government. We need to “support” those who are born unable to do so. Its called equal rights.
!!!This is America stop expecting the government to take care of you and handle your own shit, Stop whining and stop taking money away from education, Education is the most powerful weapon in the world!!
Stop being negative, instead of ??Why dont I have something??, say to yourself ??Why am I so good at working hard for what I want and achieving my goals??
[quote]okage wrote:
Ron Paul for president!![/quote]
Thanks for your insight. 
[quote]okage wrote:
Stop whining and stop taking money away from education, Education is the most powerful weapon in the world!!
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