I’ve been lifting for almost a year (10 months) straight with a proper diet, proper rest & proper training. I went from 130 to 190 lbs. I have already cut last summer to 150 @ 5.7%-6% but was still small. This march, i’m going to start cutting to comp shape. I would like to use winstrol to cut and keep my mass but keep reading it’s not good alone.
I’ve never taken any juice before and I’m not afraid of needles so injectables work for me. I can’t find any useful articles/guides for PROPER steroid cutting. Can anyone lead me to some proper knowledge to proper dosage and which stack is best?
[quote]imasri wrote:
I’ve been lifting for almost a year (10 months) straight with a proper diet, proper rest & proper training. I went from 130 to 190 lbs. I have already cut last summer to 150 @ 5.7%-6% but was still small. This march, i’m going to start cutting to comp shape. I would like to use winstrol to cut and keep my mass but keep reading it’s not good alone.
I’ve never taken any juice before and I’m not afraid of needles so injectables work for me. I can’t find any useful articles/guides for PROPER steroid cutting. Can anyone lead me to some proper knowledge to proper dosage and which stack is best?[/quote]
You are far from ready to be using steroids if you have been lifting for barely a year…wait a few more years,
Just have your training and diet dialed, be 100% with it and you will be on your way.
I’m with you on that, which is why i havn’t touched them yet to gain mass/bulk. I just want to cut without losing mass. I’m going to be competing/photoshooting this summer.
competing/photoshooting for what exactly? i ask because you currently look like someone who…as you have mentioned…just started training.
take that with a grain of salt…as it is clear that you do train…which is a positive.
Biotest has products that you could use with great success to aid in any cutting you would like to do. quality supplementation, training and diet is the route i personally think you should take. no AAS yet.
I’m competing in local shows. Dont get me wrong, i’m no ronnie coleman, but compared to others i’ve seen in the shows, they’re not much bigger than i am. I belevie i can be bigger in the next two months and better conditioned. The photoshoot is done for personal reasons. I want to keep this formyself, to show my kids.
As for supplements, I beleive the gear would work best which is why people use them. I’m not using juice to grow bigger as i have more potential in me. My intent is to use this juice to maintain and lose as little as possible. I dont see why it’s not right for me yet?
I’ll give you my stats:
Arms (bi-tri) 16.3"
Chest (with lats flexed) 47"
Legs: 27"
current weight 190 lbs (bulked)
height 5’7
i eat 4500 calories a day on training days with 350 grams of protein. I supplement fish oil, fish oil, multivitamin, ZMA and Leutor (BCAA).
the part where you state " my intent to use this juice is to maintain and lose as little as possible"…and “I’m not using the juice to get bigger”…are the exact reasons why i say you’re not ready.
those goals do not go with AAS use. as you can acheive those naturally with a little effort and minimal discipline. at least that is my opinion.
you seem to be on the right track anyways, seeing as you have only been training 10 months, your progress looks solid. why fast track with AAS, when you are already basically fast tracking receiving natural gains associated with newbie trainers??!!
its your choice. but if you want to go the AAS route i think you need more defined goals that have a tangible end result.
I see what you’re saying & appreciate the help. But with dieting (low carb, calorie) diet you will lose some mass/strength. You say “those goals do not go with AAS use.” then why are there so many articles about ‘‘cutting’’ steroids like winny, eq, anavar, test prop, masteron, tren, and primobola?
Also, here’s what i’m thinking of cycling:
Test Prop - 400mg/week
Eq - 400mg/week
Masteron - 400mg/week
I know you’re hell-bent on the 'roids, but listen to the pros. There are options out there that will work effectively for your goals. Try HOT-ROX, Carbolin 19, and mega-dosed BCAA’s. While I know it won’t work as well, it will still work fine. Save the gear for a year or two from now. Trust me, it will be worth it.
[quote]imasri wrote:
I’m with you on that, which is why i havn’t touched them yet to gain mass/bulk. I just want to cut without losing mass. I’m going to be competing/photoshooting this summer.[/quote]
You sound as if it is a certainty to lose muscle mass when you cut. Read more on proper dieting techniques and you will find that it is possible to keep your hard earned muscle if done properly. Do a search on this site for Berardi and read everything you can from him.
BTW, why are you so impatient to see results? You have been lifting for 10 months and are already thinking of cutting for the second time? And using AAS as well? You seem to have a decent start, but would be much better served to bulk for at least another year so you have a decent amount of muscle to show when you shed the fat, IMO.
[quote]timmyboy5410 wrote:
You sound as if it is a certainty to lose muscle mass when you cut. Read more on proper dieting techniques and you will find that it is possible to keep your hard earned muscle if done properly. Do a search on this site for Berardi and read everything you can from him.
BTW, why are you so impatient to see results? You have been lifting for 10 months and are already thinking of cutting for the second time? And using AAS as well? You seem to have a decent start, but would be much better served to bulk for at least another year so you have a decent amount of muscle to show when you shed the fat, IMO.[/quote]
Agreed, though it is clear the OP does not want to hear what he is being told.
OP, even if you are bigger than the other guys in your novice class, what does that even mean? You will be able to “tell your kids” you were a little bit better than shit?
You look like you know what you are doing as far as training and diet goes. Now you should listen to people who have been in this game for many, many years. What on earth makes you think you understand it better than they do? You are getting all of this advice for a reason. If you are not going to listen to what anyone tells you anyway, then you are in the wrong place.
There are plenty of bro-boards out there who will help whoever the hell comes along with all the knowledgeable sounding, shitty advice they can come up with off the tops of their heads. You seriously will not get far in this game without the necessary patience. You are demonstrating that you do not possess this.
The reason you cant find any guides for steroid cutting is because diet cuts fat not steriods.
Steroids may assist in helping you to keep muscle mass from dieting.
If you read up more on steriods and actually understood them then you would not think they were for you either at this time.
10 months of training is a time when you can put on a ton of muscle naturally and I will be another to point out the obvious that you are quite some time away from being ready to step on a stage.
I’ve read all the posts here and i’ve decided to hold off for a couple of years.
When i do something, i always do it right and not rush into it. Patience & dicipline gets things done well and this is what i’ve been doing throughout all my training. I’ll look into some supplements that were suggested and read on them. Thanks for the help vets
Btw i come to this forum with an open mind and not looking for a specific answer i want to hear. I look to do the right thing.
[quote]imasri wrote:
I’ve read all the posts here and i’ve decided to hold off for a couple of years.
When i do something, i always do it right and not rush into it. Patience & dicipline gets things done well and this is what i’ve been doing throughout all my training. I’ll look into some supplements that were suggested and read on them. Thanks for the help vets
Btw i come to this forum with an open mind and not looking for a specific answer i want to hear. I look to do the right thing.
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Cool, man. If you are for real, I am happy to be proven wrong. Good luck. You are exhibiting the right attitude for long term success. And you are in the right place for good advice on any aspect of your training.
The only reason i was ‘‘arguing’’ (it may have come off like that) was because i was just trying to understand the reasoning behind what i was being told… that’s all.