I have noticed that several of you guys have a vast understanding of A.S. chemicals and PCT chemicals. Weither it is how they work or react with each other. In my occupation it is a real concern about drug testing. Through many days and nights of searching I have been unable to conclude what is tested for and what is not on a a-typical drug urine test.
Some of the products listed below I know will not show up on a urine test. However some such as the Clen I don’t know about. Can you please give some direction to what is safe to use when tested and what is not. This im sure will help many people.
Test E, C, P, Sust 250
Deca
D-Bol
Drol
Winstrol
Masteron
Equipoise
Adex
HCG
Nolva
Clomid
Proviron
It makes sense to me that you should be able to obtain a list of substances that you will be tested for. Most likely it is up to your employer. Typically it is your standard test for recreational drugs.
I don’t see why it would matter if you were taking a SERM or AI. If you were an athlete that is another story, as it could suggest possible steroid use.
Most every different compound requires a seperate test… so it’s safe to say what everyone else has…
Unless you are an athlete…no worries and on top of that tests would be very expensive considering the number of compounds available and the different testing methods required.
Absolutly, They give a brief description on about 50 difrent chemicals that are being tested for. However, I do wonder if chemicals unlike test will show up creating a false positive or in my case a real positive. Also, they test for things such as the PH levels. I’m no doctor just a engineer and thats why I ask these questions.
There is actually quite a bit of info on the web regarding false positives. You can fairly easily obtain a list of substances that are know to potentially cause false positives. That might have to tide you over until/unless one of the members who have strong knowledge in this area join in.
[quote]intenseg1 wrote:
Yes, That is true. Do you or does anybody else have specific information on what may show up on a typical urine examination? [/quote]
The most common test within LE tests for four compounds: Cocaine, Opiates, Weed[THC] & if memory serves Meth.
[quote]saps wrote:
intenseg1 wrote:
Yes, That is true. Do you or does anybody else have specific information on what may show up on a typical urine examination?
The most common test within LE tests for four compounds: Cocaine, Opiates, Weed[THC] & if memory serves Meth. [/quote]
My neighbor has administered countless UAs so this is something we’ve talked about a few times.
Your standard UA only tests for THE BIG 5: cannabinoids (marijuana, hashish) cocaine (cocaine, benzoylecognine, cocaethylene) amphetamines (amphetamine, methamphetamine), opiates (heroin, opium, codeine, morphine) and Phencyclidine (PCP).
They are correct. You need a separate test to find steroids. The typical Urine test done by employers or requested by corporate / keyman insurance is a Class A narcotics test where steroids will not show up on.
The reason most organizations don’t test for steroids is the cost. Even if they have an existing urinalysis program, adding steroids to the list of test substances for everyone in the organization would be prohibitively expensive. If a test for AAS is ordered, it would typically be “for cause”, and the rules of each organization would govern if and when they may conduct tests that are not random. As already noted, athletic organizations would be an exception.
[quote]davidcox1 wrote:
The reason most organizations don’t test for steroids is the cost. Even if they have an existing urinalysis program, adding steroids to the list of test substances for everyone in the organization would be prohibitively expensive. If a test for AAS is ordered, it would typically be “for cause”, and the rules of each organization would govern if and when they may conduct tests that are not random. As already noted, athletic organizations would be an exception.[/quote]
Brilliant point.
When I worked LE everyone knew or at least had an idea who was on. Within that community its kinda a dont ask dont tell policy of course as long as you dont draw unnecessary negative attention to the issue. The union was tremendous in safeguarding our rights to things like random drug tests. Also yes its very cost ineffective to test everyone in the agency for AAS, which is the only way you can avoid the random issue. Ultimately a government agency will always be accountable for their expenses so a line item like $45000 for AAS testing will never fly. First question will always be from the 5’2" 110lb secretary asking why she is being tested. Its why virtually no one tests outside of athletic type situations
[quote]saps wrote:
davidcox1 wrote:
The reason most organizations don’t test for steroids is the cost. Even if they have an existing urinalysis program, adding steroids to the list of test substances for everyone in the organization would be prohibitively expensive. If a test for AAS is ordered, it would typically be “for cause”, and the rules of each organization would govern if and when they may conduct tests that are not random. As already noted, athletic organizations would be an exception.
Brilliant point.
When I worked LE everyone knew or at least had an idea who was on. Within that community its kinda a dont ask dont tell policy of course as long as you dont draw unnecessary negative attention to the issue. The union was tremendous in safeguarding our rights to things like random drug tests. Also yes its very cost ineffective to test everyone in the agency for AAS, which is the only way you can avoid the random issue. Ultimately a government agency will always be accountable for their expenses so a line item like $45000 for AAS testing will never fly. First question will always be from the 5’2" 110lb secretary asking why she is being tested. Its why virtually no one tests outside of athletic type situations[/quote]
The exception being military. Steroids are not part of the standard drug testing, however it is standard before entering any special forces training. It was also rumored as I was getting out a while back that it was going to become standard for boot camps to test for steroids. They can also test for steroids if they have reason to believe you are using. (basically if you are bigger than normal)
Any one know about jobs in the medical field? I’m in school now and I took a test recently and didn’t see anything on the list but would they still have to be random to include the AAS testing?
[quote]mcook123 wrote:
saps wrote:
davidcox1 wrote:
The reason most organizations don’t test for steroids is the cost. Even if they have an existing urinalysis program, adding steroids to the list of test substances for everyone in the organization would be prohibitively expensive. If a test for AAS is ordered, it would typically be “for cause”, and the rules of each organization would govern if and when they may conduct tests that are not random. As already noted, athletic organizations would be an exception.
Brilliant point.
When I worked LE everyone knew or at least had an idea who was on. Within that community its kinda a dont ask dont tell policy of course as long as you dont draw unnecessary negative attention to the issue. The union was tremendous in safeguarding our rights to things like random drug tests. Also yes its very cost ineffective to test everyone in the agency for AAS, which is the only way you can avoid the random issue. Ultimately a government agency will always be accountable for their expenses so a line item like $45000 for AAS testing will never fly. First question will always be from the 5’2" 110lb secretary asking why she is being tested. Its why virtually no one tests outside of athletic type situations
The exception being military. Steroids are not part of the standard drug testing, however it is standard before entering any special forces training. It was also rumored as I was getting out a while back that it was going to become standard for boot camps to test for steroids. They can also test for steroids if they have reason to believe you are using. (basically if you are bigger than normal)[/quote]
The regular Air Force only tests for steroids by exception (I don’t know about initial training). The Air Force will tell you they do test for AAS, but in reality, they only do so for special reasons. Since you don’t know if they might just decide to test for any given substance, there is a certain deterrent effect created by listing those substances subject to testing. Even for the Air Force, it is expensive to have urine tested for AAS “just because”, so they don’t do it as a normal practice. I was a military lawyer on active duty and I prosecuted and defended many folks charged with failing their piss test. In each case, I had the lab results and I know what they tested for, and AAS was never on the list of substances they tested for in these cases. I also defended an NCO charged with use and possession of steroids, but he was not caught using the urinalysis program. They caught him when a shipment was discovered. I don’t know of any cases in the Air Force where someone was caught using steroids through the random urinalysis program (again, I can’t speak to initial training protocols).
Those of you that posted regarding LE and military are dead on. However, be cautious of those we so truly hate: jealous people. I know in most branches AAS testing of an individual must be endorsed by one’s commanding officer and there must be probable cause. Like someone said before, if you’re 225 today and two weeks from now look 15-20 pounds bigger, that may draw a bit of attention. Unfortunately, the bigger guys are the ones that get the most flack about it. If you simply have 19-inch arms, many people assume it’s drug use. So, if you start getting bigger, people will assume you’re back “on”.
The key to surviving the scrutiny is to stay low-key. Don’t go walking around your job place drinking protein shakes all the time or talking about how much you bench press. This type of shit attracts jealous people and jealous people are the ones with loose lips…
[quote]gundecker wrote:
Those of you that posted regarding LE and military are dead on. However, be cautious of those we so truly hate: jealous people. I know in most branches AAS testing of an individual must be endorsed by one’s commanding officer and there must be probable cause. Like someone said before, if you’re 225 today and two weeks from now look 15-20 pounds bigger, that may draw a bit of attention. Unfortunately, the bigger guys are the ones that get the most flack about it. If you simply have 19-inch arms, many people assume it’s drug use. So, if you start getting bigger, people will assume you’re back “on”.
The key to surviving the scrutiny is to stay low-key. Don’t go walking around your job place drinking protein shakes all the time or talking about how much you bench press. This type of shit attracts jealous people and jealous people are the ones with loose lips…
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