[quote]rainjack wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Here is the news, guys. Stallone is 60. He is not jerking 315. Not now. And I’ll make an educated guess and say, “Not EVER!” Curling 85s has NOTHING to do with he can clean and jerk 315. I’ve jerked 190 kg. (418). I have never even TRIED to curl 85 pound dumbbells. The two don’t correlate at all.
He’s a short guy with short arms. Never say never - or in your case ‘not ever’.
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Look. I’ve been around world class o-lifter for around 12 years now. Cleaning and jerking 315 is nothing to me or guys in the sport. It IS something to 60 year old masters lifters. As a matter of fact, the American record for the 105 kg. class is around 260 pounds. Sly is not near that big. Also, cleaning and jerking 315 is not akin to benching 315. Sly can probably bench 315. Don’t know. But I DO know for an absolute fact that he is not jerking 315 with THAT shallow split, at the age of 60, weighing a little more or less than 200 pounds. I DO know that.
That aside, in “the real World,” if I ever saw a boxer jerking 315, I’d conclude that he’s in the wrong sport. You’d be hard pressed to find ANY boxer jerking 315…the demands of a boxer’s sport-specific needs & training will generally preclude that type of lifting ability.
[quote]Jerome wrote:
So I saw a couple pics form the new rocky movie, one of him jerking 3 plates and the another of him squatting 5 plates. What’s everyone’s opinion, real or fake? [/quote]
[quote]Jerome wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
Why is everyone hatin on Stallone? He has, or at least had, the kind of physique most could never dream of having. Just because he’s getting old doesn’t mean he can’t lift weights. Hell I bet Arnold could still pull almost that much if he wanted to.
No one is hating on him, just wondering if it’s real or not. [/quote]
I’m not hating on Stallone, dipshit. Grow up. I’m hating on idiots who belive that a 60 year old man - let me say that again - a 60 year old man who is NOT and has never been an olympic lifter, but whose training background is in bodybuilding clean and jeked 315 pounds.
If you ASKED Stallone I guarantee he’d tell you that it was like 80 kilos or something like that.
Is there ANYONE out there with some frame of reference who can help me out here? Anyone been in o-lifting and can back me up here?
Seriously, it is so ridiculous it’s not worth discussing.
Anyone who doesn’t know with absolute certainty that Stallone used fake plates for that scene (I laughed when I saw the trailer for the movie with the 315 jerk scene) doesn’t know much about lifting or Hollywood.
As was said by another poster, Stallone is around 60 years old, and for those that are familiar with Stallone’s style of training (lots of exhaustion training a la Weider’s “intensity principles”), he’s not a strength guy. He never has been.
I still really wanna see this movie, but I have a feeling it’s gonna look like a glamorized commercial for Stallone’s own line of supplements (INSTONE, I think).
[quote]mtotry wrote:
another pic from back in the day…looks to be before rambo 2 training…
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Real nice. I heard he was about 170 pounds then. I look at the picture and I see a guy who’s in great shape. Defined. Reasonably well muscled. He does not, however, look like anyone in the 77 or 85 kg. weight classes that I’ve seen in even LOCAL weightlifting meets that can clean and jerk even 125 kg. (275). I’d say - at his BEST - that Sly could CJ between 105 and 115 kilograms. 115 is REALLY pushing it.
In order to qualify for the weightlifting World master’s championships in 2006, a 94kg lifter (206.8lbs) between the ages of 60-64 years would need to total 155kgs (340 pounds). Qualifying for Worlds means you’re a GOOD lifter BTW. Using typical snatch/clean & jerk ratios, that means something like a 70kg (154 pound) snatch and an 85kg (187 pound) clean & jerk.
From that perspective, you can see how unlikely a 142kg (315) jerk is.
[quote]Jerome wrote:
So I saw a couple pics form the new rocky movie, one of him jerking 3 plates and the another of him squatting 5 plates. What’s everyone’s opinion, real or fake? [/quote]
[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Here is the news, guys. Stallone is 60. He is not jerking 315. Not now. And I’ll make an educated guess and say, “Not EVER!” Curling 85s has NOTHING to do with he can clean and jerk 315. I’ve jerked 190 kg. (418). I have never even TRIED to curl 85 pound dumbbells. The two don’t correlate at all.
He’s a short guy with short arms. Never say never - or in your case ‘not ever’.
Look. I’ve been around world class o-lifter for around 12 years now. Cleaning and jerking 315 is nothing to me or guys in the sport. It IS something to 60 year old masters lifters. As a matter of fact, the American record for the 105 kg. class is around 260 pounds. Sly is not near that big. Also, cleaning and jerking 315 is not akin to benching 315. Sly can probably bench 315. Don’t know. But I DO know for an absolute fact that he is not jerking 315 with THAT shallow split, at the age of 60, weighing a little more or less than 200 pounds. I DO know that. [/quote]
you must have missed this from my post above…
"I saw a behind the scenes clip and it was definitely fake weight…probably had half the real amount so it would look real…but he racked the weight way too easily… "
OK, this should have been my 1st post as opposed to third, but here goes anyway:
The winner of the men’s 60-64 94kg weight class at this years Master’s Worlds in weightlifting snatched 93kgs (about 204 pounds) and clean & jerked 110kgs (242 pounds)
[quote]Jerome wrote:
So I saw a couple pics form the new rocky movie, one of him jerking 3 plates and the another of him squatting 5 plates. What’s everyone’s opinion, real or fake? [/quote]
q:How did you approach Rockys psychical being in Rocky Balboa and what did
you do to achieve the desired effect?
a:For ROCKY BALBOA I trained with very heavy weights like a power-lifter, and I duplicate that in the film itself. Heres an interesting tidbit: for months before the film a couple of high-ranking executives who shall remain nameless insisted that I let myself go, and in their words, Pork out.
I wasnt following their reasoning, and they explained themselves by saying, Rocky should just be an average guy and not in shape at all, so he represents the everyday man. Strangely enough, I followed this advice and one month before the filming I couldnt fit into my boxing trunks.
I looked in the mirror and thought this would be too much for the audience to swallow - that Rocky would be completely overweight and out of shape and manage to get in the ring with the world champion.
Though I like eating junk food as much as everyone else, I had to go on a crash diet of high-protein (mainly beef) and many, many supplements. I had to lift weights until I could barely stand. So the results were a more believable approach, that although Rocky is well over the age range, he physically appears to be in competitive shape. Rocky is still not in the same shape as he was in ROCKY IV, he’s just stronger.
[quote]Charles Staley wrote:
Here’s another perspective on the subject:
In order to qualify for the weightlifting World master’s championships in 2006, a 94kg lifter (206.8lbs) between the ages of 60-64 years would need to total 155kgs (340 pounds). Qualifying for Worlds means you’re a GOOD lifter BTW. Using typical snatch/clean & jerk ratios, that means something like a 70kg (154 pound) snatch and an 85kg (187 pound) clean & jerk.
From that perspective, you can see how unlikely a 142kg (315) jerk is.
Jerome wrote:
So I saw a couple pics form the new rocky movie, one of him jerking 3 plates and the another of him squatting 5 plates. What’s everyone’s opinion, real or fake?
His boxing style is about throwing bombs in this one. They’re not going to show he’s becoming super strong squatting a plate on each side. They have to make it look far above and beyond what a regular gym goer would do yet not make it look completely ridiculous.
As much as it pains me to, I have to agree with everything Hack said. I am not a practitioner of that type of lifting but it just didn’t make sense to me that he could be clean and jerking that weight in his current state. On another note that 85 DB simultaneous curl is impressive with his size at that time.
[quote]disciplined wrote:
Anyone who doesn’t know with absolute certainty that Stallone is used fake plates doesn’t know much about lifting or Hollywood.
As was said by another posted, Stallone is around 60 years old, and for those that are familiar with Stallone’s style of training (lots of exhaustion training a la Weider’s “intensity principles”), he’s not a strength guy. He never has been.
I still really wanna see this movie, but I have a feeling it’s gonna look like a glamorized commercial for Stallone’s own line of supplements (INSTONE, I think).[/quote]
I agree with this…exccept for the INSTONE part…I think he is not involved in that whatsoever anymore…all his pics are off the site…and he never mentions it anymore in interviews…
[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
There’s also a part in the training montage where he’s throwing uppercuts with some heavy DB’s.
Most boxers will tell you that even using light weights can throw off your form, so not sure what he’s accomplishing here.
But, like others have said, it’s a movie and I’m more than happy to suspend my reality for 2 hours and watch the flick. I just hope it’s decent.[/quote]
Yeah. Me, too. I think it looks cool and - in my mind - ROCKY will be jerking 315 prepping for his fight with the other guy. And I’ll be proud as hell 'cause I’m an o-lifter and it’s in a ROCKY movie. But come on, he could walk in and win just about any 94 open class for most state’s championships, local meets, etc. That’s OPEN.
There is a huge devide between someone like Matt Devine who won this years 94 class at the American Open two weeks ago with a approx. 400 pound kg. and the rest of that class (a couple hundred lifters nationwide). I’d say under 10% of them clean and jerk more than 140 kg. (308). And most them aren’t 60 year old actors.
