[quote]LoRez wrote:
Where it gets especially insidious, and this is why antidepressants have their black box warning regarding suicide, is when the two are combined. There’s two main competing thoughts: “I feel so horrible, I want this to just stop” and “I don’t have the energy to do anything about it”. The antidepressants address the second part in give some people the energy to act on the first.
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Do you have a source for this? When I’ve read about the apparent link before I was more focused on finding out if it was accepted that there was one, not on how the link supposedly worked. I seem to remember it being a scare similar to the MMR vaccine, and the general literature showing minimal links, but the warning had remained.
Anyway, interested in where you heard that, and gold post.
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
Fact: He was not broke
Fact: He was not lacking an audience and could work whenever he wanted to
So neither financial trouble or lack of attention were the reasons he ended up killing himself.
He battled depression, addiction AND it was revealed today that he had early onset Parkinson’s. He had quite a few life experiences that can lead to severe depression (not negating that others might be able to cope with each of these without becoming depressed):
Divorce, child custody battles, lack of attention from parents, alcohol and drug abuse (emphasis on abuse) and now the prospect of suffering from a horrible disease and putting his family through pain. This last one is very important because…
Fact: Many who are depressed and devolve into suicidal thoughts do so not because they want attention, or because they are cowards, it’s because their brain chemistry latches on to the thought that those they love are going to be better of IN THE LONG RUN without them in their lives. “They are better of without me” is one of the biggest motivators the suicidal seem to have. This is very bad for people who are impulsive by nature, as Williams clearly was.
These are not excuses but these are reasons why a depressed, severely impulsive, wealthy, very much loved man could end up killing himself.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Where it gets especially insidious, and this is why antidepressants have their black box warning regarding suicide, is when the two are combined. There’s two main competing thoughts: “I feel so horrible, I want this to just stop” and “I don’t have the energy to do anything about it”. The antidepressants address the second part in give some people the energy to act on the first.
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Do you have a source for this? When I’ve read about the apparent link before I was more focused on finding out if it was accepted that there was one, not on how the link supposedly worked. I seem to remember it being a scare similar to the MMR vaccine, and the general literature showing minimal links, but the warning had remained.
Anyway, interested in where you heard that, and gold post.[/quote]
I guess I don’t. It was from a psychiatrist or a clinical psychologist, possibly both. I may have also read it. I don’t really know.
One thing I’m already tired of is female friends on facebook making comments about depression when I really, without knowing them, don’t think they really are depressed.
These are the kind of female friends that already complain about everything (the weather, their cat is coughing too much etc.) and I think there’s a culture of oneupmannship with feeling deep and tragic with your pain.
I mean these are the kind that seem to self-diagnose themselves with gluten sensitivity and migraines.
[quote]Nards wrote:
One thing I’m already tired of is female friends on facebook making comments about depression when I really, without knowing them, don’t think they really are depressed.
These are the kind of female friends that already complain about everything (the weather, their cat is coughing too much etc.) and I think there’s a culture of oneupmannship with feeling deep and tragic with your pain.
I mean these are the kind that seem to self-diagnose themselves with gluten sensitivity and migraines.[/quote]
[quote]Nards wrote:
One thing I’m already tired of is female friends on facebook making comments about depression when I really, without knowing them, don’t think they really are depressed.
These are the kind of female friends that already complain about everything (the weather, their cat is coughing too much etc.) and I think there’s a culture of oneupmannship with feeling deep and tragic with your pain.
I mean these are the kind that seem to self-diagnose themselves with gluten sensitivity and migraines.[/quote]
“This big/terrible/great thing happened in the news, so LOOK AT ME!”
[quote]Nards wrote:
One thing I’m already tired of is female friends on facebook making comments about depression when I really, without knowing them, don’t think they really are depressed.
These are the kind of female friends that already complain about everything (the weather, their cat is coughing too much etc.) and I think there’s a culture of oneupmannship with feeling deep and tragic with your pain.
I mean these are the kind that seem to self-diagnose themselves with gluten sensitivity and migraines.[/quote]
I got out of the Facebook game 2yrs ago when I entered my professional career, and I’m better off for it. There were really few if any positives that came from fb.
You are pointing out one of the major reasons why. One friend once said “Facebook is just people bragging about going on vacation and girls complaining about being sick” …pretty much
From someone I used to be friends with on facebook
“Makes me so angry that there’s no clear route for mental illnesses. If you have a broken leg, the doctors wouldn’t let you walk out without helping fix it. Just because the illness isn’t physically visible doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Angry face Rant over.”
SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP
I ended up posting the NICE guidelines for treatment of clinical depression, she deleted my comment.
[quote]Nards wrote:
One thing I’m already tired of is female friends on facebook making comments about depression when I really, without knowing them, don’t think they really are depressed.
These are the kind of female friends that already complain about everything (the weather, their cat is coughing too much etc.) and I think there’s a culture of oneupmannship with feeling deep and tragic with your pain.
I mean these are the kind that seem to self-diagnose themselves with gluten sensitivity and migraines.[/quote]
I got out of the Facebook game 2yrs ago when I entered my professional career, and I’m better off for it. There were really few if any positives that came from fb.
You are pointing out one of the major reasons why. One friend once said “Facebook is just people bragging about going on vacation and girls complaining about being sick” …pretty much
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You have a very good point…it’s telling that before hitting ‘quote’ for this post I wanted to hit ‘like’ for a second.
I guess no one has thought that it may possibly have been a case of autoerotic asphyxiation? Autoerotic asphyxiation is often passed off as suicide by families and authorities.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I guess no one has thought that it may possibly have been a case of autoerotic asphyxiation? Autoerotic asphyxiation is often passed off as suicide by families and authorities.[/quote]
We mentioned that earlier; back on page 2 or so I think. Anyway, it seems like after the facts came out it doesn’t appear to be the case.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I guess no one has thought that it may possibly have been a case of autoerotic asphyxiation? Autoerotic asphyxiation is often passed off as suicide by families and authorities.[/quote]
We mentioned that earlier; back on page 2 or so I think. Anyway, it seems like after the facts came out it doesn’t appear to be the case.[/quote]
Yeah, I heard he tried to cut his wrists first. I just thought strangling yourself in the bathroom with a belt sounds a bit sus.
It seemed like a logical way for the thought process to work and it piqued my interest.