RIP Amanda Todd

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[quote]andrew_live wrote:

[quote]punchedbear wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

When you’re bullied like she was, all you do is want it to STOP. She was only 15 fucking years old… without any real support group. The amount of stress and pressure is huge and you’re constantly trying to figure out what you can do to make it all stop. At a certain point, your mind sees the quickest and most sure-fire way of ending it all.
[/quote]

The more I read the more I think she wasnt really bullied but preyed upon by a really bad man. I would charge the kids that reposted his pics of her with child pornography and let them live with a sex register attached to their name for the rest of their lives.

This wasnt bullying this was a criminal act.[/quote]

damn, I hope something along those lines happens. Make an example of them. [/quote]

I hope they do to. This went way beyond bullying and being mean. It will be interesting how many of these kids that reposted her pics get in trouble. I dont know how Canadian law works but I hope it goes after them for some kind of sexual predator law. They have a real chance to make a bad situation into an example of what not to do and spin a very small positive onto this situation.

This internet thing is a scary thing and I dont know how people allow their children to get on it especially with a webcam.

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[quote]orion wrote:
I do not try to be nice, I try to be civil. [/quote]

Entirely off topic, but that’s a brilliant statement. Sums up the difference between the boy-man and the man-man.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
I do not try to be nice, I try to be civil. [/quote]

Entirely off topic, but that’s a brilliant statement. Sums up the difference between the boy-man and the man-man.[/quote]

Could you define the difference, please?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Spock81 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

Sorry to hear this IH, and I can relate to some extent.

I know it’s not really adequate compensation, but you know what? People like you and Spock and Pat (and yeah, me, too) are really GOOD people. Cause or effect, I don’t know, but folks who were given a hard time as kids are pretty consistently good, honest, kind, caring people.

The kind of people I like to have as friends, my friend.[/quote]

YA I was thinking about that last night actually! You, IH, and Pat seem like some of the nicest dudes ever. [/quote]

Thanks! The old adage is correct, nice guys finish last, BUT I won’t change that. At least not on purpose. I would rather be mocked, criticized and maligned than be a dick. [/quote]

You are missing out.

I do not try to be nice, I try to be civil.

If that gets misinterpreted as weakness however I turn into the incredible alpha schlong.

And I enjoy it.

Very.[/quote]

Sounds like a rather empty, power hungry, insecure, existence to me. I prefer real. I don’t trust people who act like you proclaim you do.
Yeah, maybe you don’t get shit on, but avoiding getting shit on and living a real honest life is not a compromise I am willing to make.[/quote]

What is this nonsense!?!

You never got shit on by some lame ass assholes who only dared to raise their meek little voices in contempt because people like you let them?

You Sir, are a pacifist, a position that invites and rewards aggression.

Next time, get your dick out, give them a good spanking and they will have a more realistic outlook on their overall importance.

Its a public service, the next ten persons who would have been abused will probably not thank you, but they should.

Jesus could whip up a shitstorm in a heartbeat if he had to, who are you, trying to outchrist Christ?

Righteous anger Sir, its part of your heritage.

Its a religious and civil obligation.

It is also whats for breakfast.[/quote]

Seems I hit a nerve. I was referring to what you said you were, I don’t actually know if you are like that or not.

You have no business commenting on my experiences because you did not know them, you were there and I actually didn’t describe them in any detail other than that they happened. So you don’t actually know what happened and what my reactions were, whether appropriate or not, so you can shut the fuck up about that.

Sure it would be wonderful if a good ass whooping would have fixed the whole thing for me any any other person who experienced the rampant incessant bullying. But what you doing is acting like I asked for it, like blaming a rape victim because they got raped…“Well if you didn’t dress like a whore…”

You said about yourself that you try to be ‘civil’ which seems to me to be an act of polite but distant, and if people act as though you are weak, you get all pissed off and throw a hissy. That’s my interpretation of your statements. So either it’s not true and you’re either a nice guy, or an asshole, or it is true and you put on an act and keep your distance from people so they don’t hurt you.

See, I made myself vulnerable here sharing my personal pains in my life so that maybe others could understand better what this girl went through, or maybe even somebody they know went or is going through. You kept your distance, which is fine, but people keeping their distance from everybody, I intemperate as insecurity, when it stated explicitly as that being your daily MO. You didn’t like it, so you accused me basically of tolerating and inviting the bullying, that I could have stopped it anytime had I just grown a pair and kicked some ass.

I am degreed and certified in psychology, I look for nuances in statements and human behavior. And I knew a long time ago you were insecure about yourself based on your posts.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
I do not try to be nice, I try to be civil. [/quote]

Entirely off topic, but that’s a brilliant statement. Sums up the difference between the boy-man and the man-man.[/quote]

Could you define the difference, please?[/quote]

The first one has to be nice, the latter can be nice.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
I do not try to be nice, I try to be civil. [/quote]

Entirely off topic, but that’s a brilliant statement. Sums up the difference between the boy-man and the man-man.[/quote]

Could you define the difference, please?[/quote]

There’s nothing wrong with being nice.

But some people pretend to be nice, to be agreeable, to go with the crowd, when they actually disagree or when something goes against their personal value system. They’re willing to compromise personal integrity in an attempt to maintain social norms… thus relying on social interaction for their sense of self worth. I consider this fairly immature.

At the other end of the spectrum, are people who will do or say whatever they want, without consideration for the situation or the people involved. People who think they’re being “manly” or people who think they’re “telling it how it is”. They’re not at all respecting social norms… they’re not being civil. Again, I consider this immature.

But in the middle is where you stand up for your own value system, without crossing social boundaries. You debate/argue with someone, without yelling at them, without ad hominem attacks, without walking out. You’re honest with yourself, but you also respect the social norms. That’s what I mean.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Spock81 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

Sorry to hear this IH, and I can relate to some extent.

I know it’s not really adequate compensation, but you know what? People like you and Spock and Pat (and yeah, me, too) are really GOOD people. Cause or effect, I don’t know, but folks who were given a hard time as kids are pretty consistently good, honest, kind, caring people.

The kind of people I like to have as friends, my friend.[/quote]

YA I was thinking about that last night actually! You, IH, and Pat seem like some of the nicest dudes ever. [/quote]

Thanks! The old adage is correct, nice guys finish last, BUT I won’t change that. At least not on purpose. I would rather be mocked, criticized and maligned than be a dick. [/quote]

You are missing out.

I do not try to be nice, I try to be civil.

If that gets misinterpreted as weakness however I turn into the incredible alpha schlong.

And I enjoy it.

Very.[/quote]

Sounds like a rather empty, power hungry, insecure, existence to me. I prefer real. I don’t trust people who act like you proclaim you do.
Yeah, maybe you don’t get shit on, but avoiding getting shit on and living a real honest life is not a compromise I am willing to make.[/quote]

What is this nonsense!?!

You never got shit on by some lame ass assholes who only dared to raise their meek little voices in contempt because people like you let them?

You Sir, are a pacifist, a position that invites and rewards aggression.

Next time, get your dick out, give them a good spanking and they will have a more realistic outlook on their overall importance.

Its a public service, the next ten persons who would have been abused will probably not thank you, but they should.

Jesus could whip up a shitstorm in a heartbeat if he had to, who are you, trying to outchrist Christ?

Righteous anger Sir, its part of your heritage.

Its a religious and civil obligation.

It is also whats for breakfast.[/quote]

Seems I hit a nerve. I was referring to what you said you were, I don’t actually know if you are like that or not.

You have no business commenting on my experiences because you did not know them, you were there and I actually didn’t describe them in any detail other than that they happened. So you don’t actually know what happened and what my reactions were, whether appropriate or not, so you can shut the fuck up about that.

Sure it would be wonderful if a good ass whooping would have fixed the whole thing for me any any other person who experienced the rampant incessant bullying. But what you doing is acting like I asked for it, like blaming a rape victim because they got raped…“Well if you didn’t dress like a whore…”

You said about yourself that you try to be ‘civil’ which seems to me to be an act of polite but distant, and if people act as though you are weak, you get all pissed off and throw a hissy. That’s my interpretation of your statements. So either it’s not true and you’re either a nice guy, or an asshole, or it is true and you put on an act and keep your distance from people so they don’t hurt you.

See, I made myself vulnerable here sharing my personal pains in my life so that maybe others could understand better what this girl went through, or maybe even somebody they know went or is going through. You kept your distance, which is fine, but people keeping their distance from everybody, I intemperate as insecurity, when it stated explicitly as that being your daily MO. You didn’t like it, so you accused me basically of tolerating and inviting the bullying, that I could have stopped it anytime had I just grown a pair and kicked some ass.

I am degreed and certified in psychology, I look for nuances in statements and human behavior. And I knew a long time ago you were insecure about yourself based on your posts.
[/quote]

Yeah, glad you got in touch with my sensitive side.

Send me the specific GPS coordinates if you would be so kind.

Anyhow, I do not blame anyone for having been or being bullied.

I blame you for the inability to see that aggression, specifically male agression, is a force to be harnessed and to be incorporated into your very soul and nothing to shrink away from in fear just because some immature snot was mean to you decades ago.

If you believe that you could not wield that weapon in a more elegant and constructive manner than this little fuckwad you have no business even suspecting that I have any insecurities.

Heal thyself, first.

Do not try to pull other people down to your arrested development.

Also, you did not adress my last point.

Jesus could whip those fuckers out of the temple.

Could you?

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
I do not try to be nice, I try to be civil. [/quote]

Entirely off topic, but that’s a brilliant statement. Sums up the difference between the boy-man and the man-man.[/quote]

Could you define the difference, please?[/quote]

There’s nothing wrong with being nice.

But some people pretend to be nice, to be agreeable, to go with the crowd, when they actually disagree or when something goes against their personal value system. They’re willing to compromise personal integrity in an attempt to maintain social norms… thus relying on social interaction for their sense of self worth. I consider this fairly immature.

At the other end of the spectrum, are people who will do or say whatever they want, without consideration for the situation or the people involved. People who think they’re being “manly” or people who think they’re “telling it how it is”. They’re not at all respecting social norms… they’re not being civil. Again, I consider this immature.

But in the middle is where you stand up for your own value system, without crossing social boundaries. You debate/argue with someone, without yelling at them, without ad hominem attacks, without walking out. You’re honest with yourself, but you also respect the social norms. That’s what I mean.

[/quote]

Heh.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
I do not try to be nice, I try to be civil. [/quote]

Entirely off topic, but that’s a brilliant statement. Sums up the difference between the boy-man and the man-man.[/quote]

Could you define the difference, please?[/quote]

There’s nothing wrong with being nice.

But some people pretend to be nice, to be agreeable, to go with the crowd, when they actually disagree or when something goes against their personal value system. They’re willing to compromise personal integrity in an attempt to maintain social norms… thus relying on social interaction for their sense of self worth. I consider this fairly immature.

At the other end of the spectrum, are people who will do or say whatever they want, without consideration for the situation or the people involved. People who think they’re being “manly” or people who think they’re “telling it how it is”. They’re not at all respecting social norms… they’re not being civil. Again, I consider this immature.

But in the middle is where you stand up for your own value system, without crossing social boundaries. You debate/argue with someone, without yelling at them, without ad hominem attacks, without walking out. You’re honest with yourself, but you also respect the social norms. That’s what I mean.

[/quote]

Solid.

But what if social norms are utterly idiotic?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
I do not try to be nice, I try to be civil. [/quote]

Entirely off topic, but that’s a brilliant statement. Sums up the difference between the boy-man and the man-man.[/quote]

Could you define the difference, please?[/quote]

There’s nothing wrong with being nice.

But some people pretend to be nice, to be agreeable, to go with the crowd, when they actually disagree or when something goes against their personal value system. They’re willing to compromise personal integrity in an attempt to maintain social norms… thus relying on social interaction for their sense of self worth. I consider this fairly immature.

At the other end of the spectrum, are people who will do or say whatever they want, without consideration for the situation or the people involved. People who think they’re being “manly” or people who think they’re “telling it how it is”. They’re not at all respecting social norms… they’re not being civil. Again, I consider this immature.

But in the middle is where you stand up for your own value system, without crossing social boundaries. You debate/argue with someone, without yelling at them, without ad hominem attacks, without walking out. You’re honest with yourself, but you also respect the social norms. That’s what I mean.

[/quote]

Solid.

But what if social norms are utterly idiotic?[/quote]

You mean like if you end up hanging out with a bunch of late 20s, early 30s single women from some church group (ostensibly virgins)? And one of the girls starts talking about how long it’s been since she was kissed… and they want a guys opinion on the matter?

You run.

Sometimes it’s the only option when you have no real chance of swaying the groupthink.

But even so, you do it in a way that’s not offensive. You refuse to comment, or say “I don’t really know”, and you make your way out the door.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
I do not try to be nice, I try to be civil. [/quote]

Entirely off topic, but that’s a brilliant statement. Sums up the difference between the boy-man and the man-man.[/quote]

Could you define the difference, please?[/quote]

There’s nothing wrong with being nice.

But some people pretend to be nice, to be agreeable, to go with the crowd, when they actually disagree or when something goes against their personal value system. They’re willing to compromise personal integrity in an attempt to maintain social norms… thus relying on social interaction for their sense of self worth. I consider this fairly immature.

At the other end of the spectrum, are people who will do or say whatever they want, without consideration for the situation or the people involved. People who think they’re being “manly” or people who think they’re “telling it how it is”. They’re not at all respecting social norms… they’re not being civil. Again, I consider this immature.

But in the middle is where you stand up for your own value system, without crossing social boundaries. You debate/argue with someone, without yelling at them, without ad hominem attacks, without walking out. You’re honest with yourself, but you also respect the social norms. That’s what I mean.

[/quote]

Solid.

But what if social norms are utterly idiotic?[/quote]

You mean like if you end up hanging out with a bunch of late 20s, early 30s single women from some church group (ostensibly virgins)? And one of the girls starts talking about how long it’s been since she was kissed… and they want a guys opinion on the matter?

You run.

Sometimes it’s the only real option when you have no real chance of swaying the groupthink.[/quote]

That is, if you dont mind me saying so, also solid.

Yes.

In this day and age you have two real weapons:

Saying no.

And walking away.

But, if you have the balls to do either or both, that is more than enough.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Spock81 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

Sorry to hear this IH, and I can relate to some extent.

I know it’s not really adequate compensation, but you know what? People like you and Spock and Pat (and yeah, me, too) are really GOOD people. Cause or effect, I don’t know, but folks who were given a hard time as kids are pretty consistently good, honest, kind, caring people.

The kind of people I like to have as friends, my friend.[/quote]

YA I was thinking about that last night actually! You, IH, and Pat seem like some of the nicest dudes ever. [/quote]

Thanks! The old adage is correct, nice guys finish last, BUT I won’t change that. At least not on purpose. I would rather be mocked, criticized and maligned than be a dick. [/quote]

You are missing out.

I do not try to be nice, I try to be civil.

If that gets misinterpreted as weakness however I turn into the incredible alpha schlong.

And I enjoy it.

Very.[/quote]

Sounds like a rather empty, power hungry, insecure, existence to me. I prefer real. I don’t trust people who act like you proclaim you do.
Yeah, maybe you don’t get shit on, but avoiding getting shit on and living a real honest life is not a compromise I am willing to make.[/quote]

What is this nonsense!?!

You never got shit on by some lame ass assholes who only dared to raise their meek little voices in contempt because people like you let them?

You Sir, are a pacifist, a position that invites and rewards aggression.

Next time, get your dick out, give them a good spanking and they will have a more realistic outlook on their overall importance.

Its a public service, the next ten persons who would have been abused will probably not thank you, but they should.

Jesus could whip up a shitstorm in a heartbeat if he had to, who are you, trying to outchrist Christ?

Righteous anger Sir, its part of your heritage.

Its a religious and civil obligation.

It is also whats for breakfast.[/quote]

Seems I hit a nerve. I was referring to what you said you were, I don’t actually know if you are like that or not.

You have no business commenting on my experiences because you did not know them, you were there and I actually didn’t describe them in any detail other than that they happened. So you don’t actually know what happened and what my reactions were, whether appropriate or not, so you can shut the fuck up about that.

Sure it would be wonderful if a good ass whooping would have fixed the whole thing for me any any other person who experienced the rampant incessant bullying. But what you doing is acting like I asked for it, like blaming a rape victim because they got raped…“Well if you didn’t dress like a whore…”

You said about yourself that you try to be ‘civil’ which seems to me to be an act of polite but distant, and if people act as though you are weak, you get all pissed off and throw a hissy. That’s my interpretation of your statements. So either it’s not true and you’re either a nice guy, or an asshole, or it is true and you put on an act and keep your distance from people so they don’t hurt you.

See, I made myself vulnerable here sharing my personal pains in my life so that maybe others could understand better what this girl went through, or maybe even somebody they know went or is going through. You kept your distance, which is fine, but people keeping their distance from everybody, I intemperate as insecurity, when it stated explicitly as that being your daily MO. You didn’t like it, so you accused me basically of tolerating and inviting the bullying, that I could have stopped it anytime had I just grown a pair and kicked some ass.

I am degreed and certified in psychology, I look for nuances in statements and human behavior. And I knew a long time ago you were insecure about yourself based on your posts.
[/quote]

Yeah, glad you got in touch with my sensitive side.

Send me the specific GPS coordinates if you would be so kind.

Anyhow, I do not blame anyone for having been or being bullied.

I blame you for the inability to see that aggression, specifically male agression, is a force to be harnessed and to be incorporated into your very soul and nothing to shrink away from in fear just because some immature snot was mean to you decades ago.

If you believe that you could not wield that weapon in a more elegant and constructive manner than this little fuckwad you have no business even suspecting that I have any insecurities.

Heal thyself, first.

Do not try to pull other people down to your arrested development.

Also, you did not adress my last point.

Jesus could whip those fuckers out of the temple.

Could you?

[/quote]

Now your just being an idiot. You really didn’t make any points worth address tough guy…Are you going to ‘internet’ beat me up? Send you my GPS coordinates? Seriously? Ass.

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I’m finding this latest “discussion” kind of ironic.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Spock81 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

Sorry to hear this IH, and I can relate to some extent.

I know it’s not really adequate compensation, but you know what? People like you and Spock and Pat (and yeah, me, too) are really GOOD people. Cause or effect, I don’t know, but folks who were given a hard time as kids are pretty consistently good, honest, kind, caring people.

The kind of people I like to have as friends, my friend.[/quote]

YA I was thinking about that last night actually! You, IH, and Pat seem like some of the nicest dudes ever. [/quote]

Thanks! The old adage is correct, nice guys finish last, BUT I won’t change that. At least not on purpose. I would rather be mocked, criticized and maligned than be a dick. [/quote]

You are missing out.

I do not try to be nice, I try to be civil.

If that gets misinterpreted as weakness however I turn into the incredible alpha schlong.

And I enjoy it.

Very.[/quote]

Sounds like a rather empty, power hungry, insecure, existence to me. I prefer real. I don’t trust people who act like you proclaim you do.
Yeah, maybe you don’t get shit on, but avoiding getting shit on and living a real honest life is not a compromise I am willing to make.[/quote]

What is this nonsense!?!

You never got shit on by some lame ass assholes who only dared to raise their meek little voices in contempt because people like you let them?

You Sir, are a pacifist, a position that invites and rewards aggression.

Next time, get your dick out, give them a good spanking and they will have a more realistic outlook on their overall importance.

Its a public service, the next ten persons who would have been abused will probably not thank you, but they should.

Jesus could whip up a shitstorm in a heartbeat if he had to, who are you, trying to outchrist Christ?

Righteous anger Sir, its part of your heritage.

Its a religious and civil obligation.

It is also whats for breakfast.[/quote]

Seems I hit a nerve. I was referring to what you said you were, I don’t actually know if you are like that or not.

You have no business commenting on my experiences because you did not know them, you were there and I actually didn’t describe them in any detail other than that they happened. So you don’t actually know what happened and what my reactions were, whether appropriate or not, so you can shut the fuck up about that.

Sure it would be wonderful if a good ass whooping would have fixed the whole thing for me any any other person who experienced the rampant incessant bullying. But what you doing is acting like I asked for it, like blaming a rape victim because they got raped…“Well if you didn’t dress like a whore…”

You said about yourself that you try to be ‘civil’ which seems to me to be an act of polite but distant, and if people act as though you are weak, you get all pissed off and throw a hissy. That’s my interpretation of your statements. So either it’s not true and you’re either a nice guy, or an asshole, or it is true and you put on an act and keep your distance from people so they don’t hurt you.

See, I made myself vulnerable here sharing my personal pains in my life so that maybe others could understand better what this girl went through, or maybe even somebody they know went or is going through. You kept your distance, which is fine, but people keeping their distance from everybody, I intemperate as insecurity, when it stated explicitly as that being your daily MO. You didn’t like it, so you accused me basically of tolerating and inviting the bullying, that I could have stopped it anytime had I just grown a pair and kicked some ass.

I am degreed and certified in psychology, I look for nuances in statements and human behavior. And I knew a long time ago you were insecure about yourself based on your posts.
[/quote]

Yeah, glad you got in touch with my sensitive side.

Send me the specific GPS coordinates if you would be so kind.

Anyhow, I do not blame anyone for having been or being bullied.

I blame you for the inability to see that aggression, specifically male agression, is a force to be harnessed and to be incorporated into your very soul and nothing to shrink away from in fear just because some immature snot was mean to you decades ago.

If you believe that you could not wield that weapon in a more elegant and constructive manner than this little fuckwad you have no business even suspecting that I have any insecurities.

Heal thyself, first.

Do not try to pull other people down to your arrested development.

Also, you did not adress my last point.

Jesus could whip those fuckers out of the temple.

Could you?

[/quote]

Now your just being an idiot. You really didn’t make any points worth address tough guy…Are you going to ‘internet’ beat me up? Send you my GPS coordinates? Seriously? Ass.[/quote]

Passive aggressive much woman?

Get your balls back from that mean meanie that took them 20 years ago and address my points.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:
I’m finding this latest “discussion” kind of ironic.[/quote]

I am finding your contributions to be kind of cryptic.

Also, I am doing Gods work here and you are interfering.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:
I’ve mentioned much of my experiences with being “bullied”, picked on, etc… But, i’ll add my 2 cents…

Here is a very general overview of what i’ve experienced, until I was a senior in HS.

First, my last name is ‘Gay’. Now, while it probably doesn’t mean that much now, it was a different story as a kid who grew up in the 70’s and 80’s.

I was also a late bloomer. So, I was a little shorter than average, skinnier than average, quiet/shy, not very athletic, not a very good student, wore what I wanted to wear, hair parted on the side… and just not a ‘fit’ anywhere. Therefore, I was a ‘geek’.

Anyway, here are some things that occurred from grade school till about 11th grade, with some kind of shit happening on the majority of school days. I still went every day. (I was also picked on by neighborhood kids)

I have been spit on, pushed/shoved/punched, books knocked out of my hands and kicked down the hallway, de-pantsed and been called “baldy” for not having the proper amount of pubic hair for middle school, apparently… ears flicked from people sitting behind me, chased from school, girls laughing in my face after they asked what my last name was… Just An infinite amount of shit has been said to me. Well, that’s all I can remember at the moment.

99% of these people hung out in groups. They were the jocks and/or “burnouts”, so no matter if you fought one of them, you still got your ass beat… and, then they were even MORE relentless in tormenting you, afterwards. I only recall a few situations where anyone ever stuck up for me. Even though I wasn’t expecting anyone to stick up for me, it was cool when it happened. I just prayed that it didn’t make things worse.

Other things that went along with the above… Most of the “friends” that I had made in school through the years, would either watch, or, even worse, join in when you were catching shit for… whatever, at the time.

I did a hell of a lot of fighting, running my ass off, (or both) through those years.

In my situation, I really didn’t see a solution that would cause any of this from stopping forever, except giving it time and hoping that it just got old. That took until I was a senior in HS, which was the best fucking year of my life! I started to work out and that had a lot to do with my confidence and self-esteem… not to mention drinking and partying… :slight_smile:

Trying to recall this crap, while trying to focus on work, isn’t a good time… i’ll stop here, I guess.[/quote]

Sorry to hear this IH, and I can relate to some extent.

I know it’s not really adequate compensation, but you know what? People like you and Spock and Pat (and yeah, me, too) are really GOOD people. Cause or effect, I don’t know, but folks who were given a hard time as kids are pretty consistently good, honest, kind, caring people.

The kind of people I like to have as friends, my friend.[/quote]

While I truly do appreciate the sentiment, Chush; it was what it was. I was hellbent on not letting myself change a damn thing just because I didn’t fit into their mold.

I also found out at an early age, that indifference, whether it’s feigned or real, can be the best weapon against shit-talk. Many times, assholes just want a reaction. But, if you don’t give them anything, you take the fun out of it. Hopefully.

<3 you :slight_smile:

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:
I’m finding this latest “discussion” kind of ironic.[/quote]

I am finding your contributions to be kind of cryptic.

Also, I am doing Gods work here and you are interfering.

[/quote]
Cryptic? Honestly?

I’m trying to work and post, so that might have a lot to do with it, O. I thought I was doing ok… hmph.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
I do not try to be nice, I try to be civil. [/quote]

Entirely off topic, but that’s a brilliant statement. Sums up the difference between the boy-man and the man-man.[/quote]

Could you define the difference, please?[/quote]

There’s nothing wrong with being nice.

But some people pretend to be nice, to be agreeable, to go with the crowd, when they actually disagree or when something goes against their personal value system. They’re willing to compromise personal integrity in an attempt to maintain social norms… thus relying on social interaction for their sense of self worth. I consider this fairly immature.

At the other end of the spectrum, are people who will do or say whatever they want, without consideration for the situation or the people involved. People who think they’re being “manly” or people who think they’re “telling it how it is”. They’re not at all respecting social norms… they’re not being civil. Again, I consider this immature.

But in the middle is where you stand up for your own value system, without crossing social boundaries. You debate/argue with someone, without yelling at them, without ad hominem attacks, without walking out. You’re honest with yourself, but you also respect the social norms. That’s what I mean.

[/quote]
Ah, ok.

See, “nice” isn’t clearly defined and is most often a good quality… but, I understand what you’re saying.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
I do not try to be nice, I try to be civil. [/quote]

Entirely off topic, but that’s a brilliant statement. Sums up the difference between the boy-man and the man-man.[/quote]

Could you define the difference, please?[/quote]

There’s nothing wrong with being nice.

But some people pretend to be nice, to be agreeable, to go with the crowd, when they actually disagree or when something goes against their personal value system. They’re willing to compromise personal integrity in an attempt to maintain social norms… thus relying on social interaction for their sense of self worth. I consider this fairly immature.

At the other end of the spectrum, are people who will do or say whatever they want, without consideration for the situation or the people involved. People who think they’re being “manly” or people who think they’re “telling it how it is”. They’re not at all respecting social norms… they’re not being civil. Again, I consider this immature.

But in the middle is where you stand up for your own value system, without crossing social boundaries. You debate/argue with someone, without yelling at them, without ad hominem attacks, without walking out. You’re honest with yourself, but you also respect the social norms. That’s what I mean.

[/quote]
Ah, ok.

See, “nice” isn’t clearly defined and is most often a good quality… but, I understand what you’re saying.[/quote]

Of course, I’m really just referring to the case where “being nice” interferes with “being yourself”. Outside of that, I really see no reason not to be nice all of the time. I just know some people take it too far.

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[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:
I’m finding this latest “discussion” kind of ironic.[/quote]

I am finding your contributions to be kind of cryptic.

Also, I am doing Gods work here and you are interfering.

[/quote]
Cryptic? Honestly?

I’m trying to work and post, so that might have a lot to do with it, O. I thought I was doing ok… hmph.[/quote]

Since I am PM impaired I will do it here.

I do not try to keep him down so I can feel better about myself.

I am trying to pound him hard enough so that his shell cracks and he can grow.

He does not even adress my posts, because he cant.

If you would care enough about him you would gang up on him with me until his “niceness” is a puddle on the ground and he embraces the dark side in him, just for a different, if not higher purpose, I want the bullied boy to die, so that the grown man can live.

The world does NOT need another frightened woman with a penis, it needs more men who can channel their anger in a productive manner.