RIP Amanda Todd

Regarding being “nice”:

Nice is such a vague descriptor as to be pretty much meaningless. It could mean kind, courteous, helpful and compassionate or it could mean something more along the lines of Orion’s less complimentary usage.

I advocate being nice in the James Dalton from Roadhouse sense of the word. I generally am hesitant to look for real life advice in movies, but Dalton’s speech about 3 rules/being nice has some gold in it IMO. In essence “I want you to be nice… until it’s time…to not be nice”. There’s nothing wrong with showing courtesy, compassion and goodwill to others in the overwhelming majority of situations. We really are all in this shit together, like it or not. Even if there was no intrinsic merit in such behaviour, it’s good policy for your personal and professional well being and it’s just plain easier. There does, however, come a point when it’s time to be varying degrees of not nice. In those situations it’s fairly essential that you be OK with being “not nice”. This may range from dressing someone down verbally to, in rare cases for most of us, punching someone in the face. Afterward however, I advise going right back to being “nice” as seamlessly as possible. This will be easier the less personally you take shit.

Well this isn’t really related to bullying… but as far as being in the more “grown up” world, I honestly sort of have the “nice guy/beta male” personality, and I have a hard time being mean or confrontational. What’s cool though, is that there aren’t many guys out there who try to “take advantage” of a nice guy when he’s got a 50" chest and could throw them through a basketball hoop.

So I think the bigger you are, the more of a nice guy you can afford to be :slight_smile:

Because what are those fucking pencil necks going to do about it?

[quote]csulli wrote:
Well this isn’t really related to bullying… but as far as being in the more “grown up” world, I honestly sort of have the “nice guy/beta male” personality, and I have a hard time being mean or confrontational. What’s cool though, is that there aren’t many guys out there who try to “take advantage” of a nice guy when he’s got a 50" chest and could throw them through a basketball hoop.

So I think the bigger you are, the more of a nice guy you can afford to be :slight_smile:

Because what are those fucking pencil necks going to do about it?[/quote]

(putting fingers together) excellent. It’s true. Having some size does afford you enough respect and what I think of as decency to allow a more nice guy approach.

[quote]csulli wrote:
Well this isn’t really related to bullying… but as far as being in the more “grown up” world, I honestly sort of have the “nice guy/beta male” personality, and I have a hard time being mean or confrontational. [/quote]

iluvu

coming from a childhood of being weak and puny I still treat other small dudes with respect…unless they wear tapout, wife beaters, have tribal tats (and make a deal about it), or in some way act like a punk ass bitch.

So, do any of you worry about your kids or future kids getting bullied? Do you have a parenting plan to mitigate it?

The 7th and 8th grades were pretty brutal for me so I want to make sure my kids never have to go thru anything like it. I also want to make damn sure my kids are never the bully. I’ve got the scars from being bullied and the guilt of being the bully and I won’t allow either of those for my kids.

My oldest son could be a target. He’s not athletic and he’s got terrible eczema. Talks a little funny too. He is witty and gregarious which I think makes him less of a target. Never the less, I’ve made sure he has excellent fighting skills. He didn’t take to martial arts classes so I hired a girl to come over once a week and teach grappling skills to him and his friend. That worked out great, I’d say it was the equivalent of 4 years of your cookie cutter karate classes. If my son hits the ground with another cild, he’s going right for the throat with a multitude of methods and from a multitude of positions.

I’ve also worked with him on boxing skills for the last 3 years. As I said, my son is not athletic but I think a kid would need to be a lot more athletic to take my son. My son can throw a punch. He reflexively throws punches in combinations. He can block, slip and counter. On the ground he knows just what to do.

Another aspect is toughness. My son is not naturally tuff. He’s the type of kid who would fall down crying if he got hit. I’m not sure the best way to handle that characteristic. When we box I don’t hit him so he’s not getting used to getting hit. I’ve basically just talked to him and explained that if some kid hits him he comes back swinging. If he’s got a bloody nose he fights. If a kid is more athletic, aggressive and is raining blows on him he wraps him up and takes him to the ground. I think at this point he wouldn’t fall down crying. It’s hard to know for sure though.

Another thing I’ve worked with him on is how to handle intimidation tactics that kids use. You know, when the bullies aren’t actually hitting but pushing around and just trying to intimidate. We’ve actually role played how to exit situations and when to throw down. Ftr, I’ve taught him if he ever gets in a fight I want him to be the one to throw the first punch. If he ever gets in a fight and some authority figure adult tells me my son threw the first punch, I will turn to my son and say “Good job buddy, good job”.

I’m lucky I don’t have to worry about him being a bully to other kids. He’s just to too good of a boy. If only I had been as good as he is.

^ best dad ever!!!

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[quote]pat wrote:

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[quote]pat wrote:

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Spock81 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

Sorry to hear this IH, and I can relate to some extent.

I know it’s not really adequate compensation, but you know what? People like you and Spock and Pat (and yeah, me, too) are really GOOD people. Cause or effect, I don’t know, but folks who were given a hard time as kids are pretty consistently good, honest, kind, caring people.

The kind of people I like to have as friends, my friend.[/quote]

YA I was thinking about that last night actually! You, IH, and Pat seem like some of the nicest dudes ever. [/quote]

Thanks! The old adage is correct, nice guys finish last, BUT I won’t change that. At least not on purpose. I would rather be mocked, criticized and maligned than be a dick. [/quote]

You are missing out.

I do not try to be nice, I try to be civil.

If that gets misinterpreted as weakness however I turn into the incredible alpha schlong.

And I enjoy it.

Very.[/quote]

Sounds like a rather empty, power hungry, insecure, existence to me. I prefer real. I don’t trust people who act like you proclaim you do.
Yeah, maybe you don’t get shit on, but avoiding getting shit on and living a real honest life is not a compromise I am willing to make.[/quote]

What is this nonsense!?!

You never got shit on by some lame ass assholes who only dared to raise their meek little voices in contempt because people like you let them?

You Sir, are a pacifist, a position that invites and rewards aggression.

Next time, get your dick out, give them a good spanking and they will have a more realistic outlook on their overall importance.

Its a public service, the next ten persons who would have been abused will probably not thank you, but they should.

Jesus could whip up a shitstorm in a heartbeat if he had to, who are you, trying to outchrist Christ?

Righteous anger Sir, its part of your heritage.

Its a religious and civil obligation.

It is also whats for breakfast.[/quote]

Seems I hit a nerve. I was referring to what you said you were, I don’t actually know if you are like that or not.

You have no business commenting on my experiences because you did not know them, you were there and I actually didn’t describe them in any detail other than that they happened. So you don’t actually know what happened and what my reactions were, whether appropriate or not, so you can shut the fuck up about that.

Sure it would be wonderful if a good ass whooping would have fixed the whole thing for me any any other person who experienced the rampant incessant bullying. But what you doing is acting like I asked for it, like blaming a rape victim because they got raped…“Well if you didn’t dress like a whore…”

You said about yourself that you try to be ‘civil’ which seems to me to be an act of polite but distant, and if people act as though you are weak, you get all pissed off and throw a hissy. That’s my interpretation of your statements. So either it’s not true and you’re either a nice guy, or an asshole, or it is true and you put on an act and keep your distance from people so they don’t hurt you.

See, I made myself vulnerable here sharing my personal pains in my life so that maybe others could understand better what this girl went through, or maybe even somebody they know went or is going through. You kept your distance, which is fine, but people keeping their distance from everybody, I intemperate as insecurity, when it stated explicitly as that being your daily MO. You didn’t like it, so you accused me basically of tolerating and inviting the bullying, that I could have stopped it anytime had I just grown a pair and kicked some ass.

I am degreed and certified in psychology, I look for nuances in statements and human behavior. And I knew a long time ago you were insecure about yourself based on your posts.
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Yeah, glad you got in touch with my sensitive side.

Send me the specific GPS coordinates if you would be so kind.

Anyhow, I do not blame anyone for having been or being bullied.

I blame you for the inability to see that aggression, specifically male agression, is a force to be harnessed and to be incorporated into your very soul and nothing to shrink away from in fear just because some immature snot was mean to you decades ago.

If you believe that you could not wield that weapon in a more elegant and constructive manner than this little fuckwad you have no business even suspecting that I have any insecurities.

Heal thyself, first.

Do not try to pull other people down to your arrested development.

Also, you did not adress my last point.

Jesus could whip those fuckers out of the temple.

Could you?

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Oh brother, O. Don’t use big words you don’t understand. You seem to be confused in someway that my experience as a kid defines me now as an adult and am still stuck in the same spot. I am also not so dumb to recognize that you are baiting me with your “Bodyguard” style tactics and mocking my faith. Passive-aggressive? Why because I don’t want to play your silly game?
What shall I do, hunt down everybody that picked on me as a kid and shoot’em? That prove I am a man to you? How ridiculous. Apparently saying that your behavior that you expressed was insecure was spot the-the-fuck on since you you are exhibiting that very behavior here and on the subsequent pages.
Emasculated my ass. I did not delve into the specifics of the things of what happened or what I did about them, I simply discussed how those things made me feel. I didn’t lay down and take anything, I was simply out numbered. Don’t pretend to think you understand things of which you have no clue. You weren’t there and you don’t know.
And you are more insecure than I thought.

So people think I am “nice”, I can think of worse things to be. And clearly as much time as you spend in PWI, you know I am not always, nice. I don’t need to be when I am right.

oh pat, dont make such unnecessarily long quoted replies. Its blucking annoying. This dick wagging has gone far enough I say. “Brother O’s” point was pretty straight forward. Are you getting mad? Cause thats not nice which is bad because it isnt good.

Now, pretend for a moment I’m not bneing a douche and answer me this: Can you infact see that male agression can be used for good and evil?

Ponder that my young man (probably older than me) and may the force be with you.

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Spock81 wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

Sorry to hear this IH, and I can relate to some extent.

I know it’s not really adequate compensation, but you know what? People like you and Spock and Pat (and yeah, me, too) are really GOOD people. Cause or effect, I don’t know, but folks who were given a hard time as kids are pretty consistently good, honest, kind, caring people.

The kind of people I like to have as friends, my friend.[/quote]

YA I was thinking about that last night actually! You, IH, and Pat seem like some of the nicest dudes ever. [/quote]

Thanks! The old adage is correct, nice guys finish last, BUT I won’t change that. At least not on purpose. I would rather be mocked, criticized and maligned than be a dick. [/quote]

You are missing out.

I do not try to be nice, I try to be civil.

If that gets misinterpreted as weakness however I turn into the incredible alpha schlong.

And I enjoy it.

Very.[/quote]

Sounds like a rather empty, power hungry, insecure, existence to me. I prefer real. I don’t trust people who act like you proclaim you do.
Yeah, maybe you don’t get shit on, but avoiding getting shit on and living a real honest life is not a compromise I am willing to make.[/quote]

What is this nonsense!?!

You never got shit on by some lame ass assholes who only dared to raise their meek little voices in contempt because people like you let them?

You Sir, are a pacifist, a position that invites and rewards aggression.

Next time, get your dick out, give them a good spanking and they will have a more realistic outlook on their overall importance.

Its a public service, the next ten persons who would have been abused will probably not thank you, but they should.

Jesus could whip up a shitstorm in a heartbeat if he had to, who are you, trying to outchrist Christ?

Righteous anger Sir, its part of your heritage.

Its a religious and civil obligation.

It is also whats for breakfast.[/quote]

Seems I hit a nerve. I was referring to what you said you were, I don’t actually know if you are like that or not.

You have no business commenting on my experiences because you did not know them, you were there and I actually didn’t describe them in any detail other than that they happened. So you don’t actually know what happened and what my reactions were, whether appropriate or not, so you can shut the fuck up about that.

Sure it would be wonderful if a good ass whooping would have fixed the whole thing for me any any other person who experienced the rampant incessant bullying. But what you doing is acting like I asked for it, like blaming a rape victim because they got raped…“Well if you didn’t dress like a whore…”

You said about yourself that you try to be ‘civil’ which seems to me to be an act of polite but distant, and if people act as though you are weak, you get all pissed off and throw a hissy. That’s my interpretation of your statements. So either it’s not true and you’re either a nice guy, or an asshole, or it is true and you put on an act and keep your distance from people so they don’t hurt you.

See, I made myself vulnerable here sharing my personal pains in my life so that maybe others could understand better what this girl went through, or maybe even somebody they know went or is going through. You kept your distance, which is fine, but people keeping their distance from everybody, I intemperate as insecurity, when it stated explicitly as that being your daily MO. You didn’t like it, so you accused me basically of tolerating and inviting the bullying, that I could have stopped it anytime had I just grown a pair and kicked some ass.

I am degreed and certified in psychology, I look for nuances in statements and human behavior. And I knew a long time ago you were insecure about yourself based on your posts.
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Yeah, glad you got in touch with my sensitive side.

Send me the specific GPS coordinates if you would be so kind.

Anyhow, I do not blame anyone for having been or being bullied.

I blame you for the inability to see that aggression, specifically male agression, is a force to be harnessed and to be incorporated into your very soul and nothing to shrink away from in fear just because some immature snot was mean to you decades ago.

If you believe that you could not wield that weapon in a more elegant and constructive manner than this little fuckwad you have no business even suspecting that I have any insecurities.

Heal thyself, first.

Do not try to pull other people down to your arrested development.

Also, you did not adress my last point.

Jesus could whip those fuckers out of the temple.

Could you?

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Oh brother, O. Don’t use big words you don’t understand. You seem to be confused in someway that my experience as a kid defines me now as an adult and am still stuck in the same spot. I am also not so dumb to recognize that you are baiting me with your “Bodyguard” style tactics and mocking my faith. Passive-aggressive? Why because I don’t want to play your silly game?
What shall I do, hunt down everybody that picked on me as a kid and shoot’em? That prove I am a man to you? How ridiculous. Apparently saying that your behavior that you expressed was insecure was spot the-the-fuck on since you you are exhibiting that very behavior here and on the subsequent pages.
Emasculated my ass. I did not delve into the specifics of the things of what happened or what I did about them, I simply discussed how those things made me feel. I didn’t lay down and take anything, I was simply out numbered. Don’t pretend to think you understand things of which you have no clue. You weren’t there and you don’t know.
And you are more insecure than I thought.

So people think I am “nice”, I can think of worse things to be. And clearly as much time as you spend in PWI, you know I am not always, nice. I don’t need to be when I am right.[/quote]

See? See? This is what I mean. I will hand you this: You dont double quote. Good job ol’ boy.

More talking.

[quote]andrew_live wrote:
oh pat, dont make such unnecessarily long quoted replies. Its blucking annoying. This dick wagging has gone far enough I say. “Brother O’s” point was pretty straight forward. Are you getting mad? Cause thats not nice which is bad because it isnt good.

Now, pretend for a moment I’m not bneing a douche and answer me this: Can you infact see that male agression can be used for good and evil?

Ponder that my young man (probably older than me) and may the force be with you.[/quote]

Who the fuck are you again?

What the hell does this have to do with aggression? This isn’t a conversation about aggression and I don’t recall talking to you. For the record I have no problems with appropriately place aggression, never have.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]I wanted to say that this and other of your posts have impressed me. Especially since you seem to be in your early 30s.

Also, that I’m really sorry to read that about your wife, and truly hope that it all works out ok for you and your family.[/quote]

That’s kind of you to say. Nice to know someone’s reading the long winded stuff I leave on these boards. I am likewise impressed with many of your posts.

Also, thanks for your concern for my family as well. It’s appreciated.

Edit - STILL can’t shorten quotes properly lol.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Chushin, with all due respect, which is a lot… [/quote]

Kind of surprised at how good that made me feel.

Who’dathunkit? :-)[/quote]

Me.

Because I dont hand it out like candy.

When I do it, it means something.

Just like when I am being nice.

Its not rocket surgery, but it might be brain science.

[quote]csulli wrote:
Well this isn’t really related to bullying… but as far as being in the more “grown up” world, I honestly sort of have the “nice guy/beta male” personality, and I have a hard time being mean or confrontational. What’s cool though, is that there aren’t many guys out there who try to “take advantage” of a nice guy when he’s got a 50" chest and could throw them through a basketball hoop.

So I think the bigger you are, the more of a nice guy you can afford to be :slight_smile:

Because what are those fucking pencil necks going to do about it?[/quote]

What if the asshole is a woman?

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Well this isn’t really related to bullying… but as far as being in the more “grown up” world, I honestly sort of have the “nice guy/beta male” personality, and I have a hard time being mean or confrontational. What’s cool though, is that there aren’t many guys out there who try to “take advantage” of a nice guy when he’s got a 50" chest and could throw them through a basketball hoop.

So I think the bigger you are, the more of a nice guy you can afford to be :slight_smile:

Because what are those fucking pencil necks going to do about it?[/quote]

What if the asshole is a woman?[/quote]

Go “bus driver” on her?

[quote]pat wrote:

Oh brother, O. Don’t use big words you don’t understand. You seem to be confused in someway that my experience as a kid defines me now as an adult and am still stuck in the same spot. I am also not so dumb to recognize that you are baiting me with your “Bodyguard” style tactics and mocking my faith. Passive-aggressive? Why because I don’t want to play your silly game?
What shall I do, hunt down everybody that picked on me as a kid and shoot’em? That prove I am a man to you? How ridiculous. Apparently saying that your behavior that you expressed was insecure was spot the-the-fuck on since you you are exhibiting that very behavior here and on the subsequent pages.
Emasculated my ass. I did not delve into the specifics of the things of what happened or what I did about them, I simply discussed how those things made me feel. I didn’t lay down and take anything, I was simply out numbered. Don’t pretend to think you understand things of which you have no clue. You weren’t there and you don’t know.
And you are more insecure than I thought.

So people think I am “nice”, I can think of worse things to be. And clearly as much time as you spend in PWI, you know I am not always, nice. I don’t need to be when I am right.[/quote]

First of all, I do not use “The Bodyguards” “tactics” I have the same mindset.

In some areas, not so much in others.

Neither he, or I, are doormats, yet you proclaimed loudly and proudly that you would rather be one than being a mean meanie yourself.

However, the doormat is controlled by fear, the bully by anger and insecurity, I want you to be controlled by neither.

Then, I am not insecure, though there are areas where I am.

This is not one of them.

Next point, I dont give a fuck what happened long ago, its over. Let it go. Because, you have not.

Finally, I did not mock your religion.

Your God is an angry and jelaous God, who repeteadly tells his people to gird their loins and engage in some mano a mano gut ripping action.

Jesus was not exactly a peacenik either, he was nice until it was time to be anything but.

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So people think I am “nice”, I can think of worse things to be. And clearly as much time as you spend in PWI, you know I am not always, nice. I don’t need to be when I am right. [/quote]

Fucking A!

This applies to ALL other areas in your life as well.

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Well this isn’t really related to bullying… but as far as being in the more “grown up” world, I honestly sort of have the “nice guy/beta male” personality, and I have a hard time being mean or confrontational. What’s cool though, is that there aren’t many guys out there who try to “take advantage” of a nice guy when he’s got a 50" chest and could throw them through a basketball hoop.

So I think the bigger you are, the more of a nice guy you can afford to be :slight_smile:

Because what are those fucking pencil necks going to do about it?[/quote]

What if the asshole is a woman?[/quote]

Go “bus driver” on her?[/quote]

If it was that easy…

I am not saying that some women would not deserve it, but the correct approach to a woman being a little emotional/financial/attention vampire is usually not a swift hook to the liver.