Rioting in St. Lou

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
There are approximately 96 incidents with a white cop killing an unarmed black person a year. [/quote]

Do you have any back-up for this? [/quote]

And how many lawful police encounters occur between white officers and black citizens? There are government stats that show roughly 16% had police contact in 2008. Do some further research, and you will find that figure amounts to .000004% of police encounters. I would call that rare, what about you sir?

Can you tell me how many armed officers are assaulted by unarmed black suspects per year? Or shot at, or killed? Oh that’s right, it’s their job and they assume the risk and duties. Exactly! And their job to use deadly force when necessary too.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
There are approximately 96 incidents with a white cop killing an unarmed black person a year. [/quote]

Do you have any back-up for this? [/quote]

Well Al Sharpton and ThugBlkMan.com decided to put on white people outfits and discuss it here. - Local police involved in 400 killings per year

Of course this is probably misinformation since it was all deemed justified, and actually run by a discreet group of undercover Elija Muhammad cohorts running the FBI databases.[/quote]

What paragraph did it mention the suspects were unarmed? I must have missed that. Or did you add that in a blatant attempt to portray the shootings as something they are not? The numbers in the following database are quite telling when referenced to the % of total population each group represents.

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[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Korean store owners took that very opinion during the LA Riots. They took to the rooftops to protect their businesses and theirs were the only ones spared from the looting and destruction.[/quote]

Given that most of them were immigrants who really couldn’t give a shit about whether a random black guy who looted their store lived or died, it makes sense.

Korean immigrants do not like black people; heck Koreans don’t like colored (as in anyone who is not ethnic Korean or looks like a Western European, really) people in general. Black people also do not like Korean immigrants. For all intents and purposes there was a small race war going on during the L.A Riots.

I don’t think the same could be said for the folks in Ferguson. They probably don’t hold near as much animosity towards the looters and aren’t willing to shoot them.[/quote]

Nice to know we have someone on here who can speak for all black people.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Nice to know we have someone on here who can speak for all black people.[/quote]

Lets not pretend the reverse doesn’t happen.

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[quote]Brett620 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
There are approximately 96 incidents with a white cop killing an unarmed black person a year. [/quote]

Do you have any back-up for this? [/quote]

And how many lawful police encounters occur between white officers and black citizens? There are government stats that show roughly 16% had police contact in 2008. Do some further research, and you will find that figure amounts to .000004% of police encounters. I would call that rare, what about you sir?

Can you tell me how many armed officers are assaulted by unarmed black suspects per year? Or shot at, or killed? Oh that’s right, it’s their job and they assume the risk and duties. Exactly! And their job to use deadly force when necessary too.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cpp08.pdf[/quote]

wtf? Do you people have ADD? what does that have to do with rioting?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
There are approximately 96 incidents with a white cop killing an unarmed black person a year. [/quote]

Do you have any back-up for this? [/quote]

Well Al Sharpton and ThugBlkMan.com decided to put on white people outfits and discuss it here. - Local police involved in 400 killings per year

Of course this is probably misinformation since it was all deemed justified, and actually run by a discreet group of undercover Elija Muhammad cohorts running the FBI databases.[/quote]

From the link
While the racial analysis is striking, the database it’s based on has been long considered flawed and largely incomplete. The killings are self-reported by law enforcement and not all police departments participate so the database undercounts the actual number of deaths. Plus, the numbers are not audited after they are submitted to the FBI and the statistics on “justifiable” homicides have conflicted with independent measures of fatalities at the hands of police.

So… the 25% figure (96 out of 400) could be low, could be high, who knows. Point is you are using flawed data man.

I’m not saying you don’t have a point, nor you should change your argument, but that 96 figure isn’t accurate. Reality very well could be MORE in your favor, but as it stands that 96 number is off. [/quote]

and it didn’t say anything about being unarmed

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Nice to know we have someone on here who can speak for all black people.[/quote]

Lets not pretend the reverse doesn’t happen. [/quote]

magick speaks for all non black people too?

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
There are approximately 96 incidents with a white cop killing an unarmed black person a year. [/quote]

Do you have any back-up for this? [/quote]

Well Al Sharpton and ThugBlkMan.com decided to put on white people outfits and discuss it here. - Local police involved in 400 killings per year

Of course this is probably misinformation since it was all deemed justified, and actually run by a discreet group of undercover Elija Muhammad cohorts running the FBI databases.[/quote]

Hyperbole aside, the article is interesting. As Beans and cwill1973 point out there are a few issues.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Nice to know we have someone on here who can speak for all black people.[/quote]

Lets not pretend the reverse doesn’t happen. [/quote]

magick speaks for all non black people too?[/quote]

Koreans for sure. I have to wait for my Koch money to come in, and then I’ll consider him the white people’s advocate as well.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Nice to know we have someone on here who can speak for all black people.[/quote]

Lets not pretend the reverse doesn’t happen. [/quote]

magick speaks for all non black people too?[/quote]

Really?

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I had a talk with someone before class started this morning about how I don’t think in terms of “as a white man I…”, and that kind of thinking seems to be all too common among the “oppressed” classes.
I prefer to start off as being a human first, and then essentially coexisting with people in a sort of venn diagram-common interest type of way.

He said that in his experience, a lot of minorities had it beaten into their heads as children that they’re (blank), eg a country, religion, etc. So it’s hard for some groups to not think like that, as it’s embedded pretty deep in their psyche.
It’s a pretty shitty character flaw to have IMO, and if they could move past it maybe they would elevate their socioeconomic status and get out of this regressive loop that they’ve gotten or been entwined in.

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[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I had a talk with someone before class started this morning about how I don’t think in terms of “as a white man I…”, and that kind of thinking seems to be all too common among the “oppressed” classes.
I prefer to start off as being a human first, and then essentially coexisting with people in a sort of venn diagram-common interest type of way.

He said that in his experience, a lot of minorities had it beaten into their heads as children that they’re (blank), eg a country, religion, etc. So it’s hard for some groups to not think like that, as it’s embedded pretty deep in their psyche.
It’s a pretty shitty character flaw to have IMO, and if they could move past it maybe they would elevate their socioeconomic status and get out of this regressive loop that they’ve gotten or been entwined in.[/quote]

Agree 100%

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[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I had a talk with someone before class started this morning about how I don’t think in terms of “as a white man I…”, and that kind of thinking seems to be all too common among the “oppressed” classes.
I prefer to start off as being a human first, and then essentially coexisting with people in a sort of venn diagram-common interest type of way.

He said that in his experience, a lot of minorities had it beaten into their heads as children that they’re (blank), eg a country, religion, etc. So it’s hard for some groups to not think like that, as it’s embedded pretty deep in their psyche.
It’s a pretty shitty character flaw to have IMO, and if they could move past it maybe they would elevate their socioeconomic status and get out of this regressive loop that they’ve gotten or been entwined in.[/quote]

Look what happens when those people do not participate in group think and try to better their situation. They are called Uncle Toms, or coconuts for Latino people (brown on the outside and white on the inside).

Follow the stereotype and stay broke and uneducated, or go against the grain and have your own people exile you.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Well Al Sharpton and ThugBlkMan.com decided to put on white people outfits and discuss it here. - Local police involved in 400 killings per year

Of course this is probably misinformation since it was all deemed justified, and actually run by a discreet group of undercover Elija Muhammad cohorts running the FBI databases.[/quote]

Hyperbole aside, the article is interesting. As Beans and cwill1973 point out there are a few issues. [/quote]

If improved race relations/relations with police were desired, the D.A.R.E. programs across the country could do a lot. Children could be taught what their rights are in dealing with police, as well as how NOT to interact with police. Instead of teaching children that they should always talk to police, and having the children learn from experience that is not always a good idea, children could be taught that they do NOT always have to talk to police; children could be taught that there is a huge middle ground between consenting to everything and assaulting police officers. As it is, many people learn for themselves that Officer Friendly isn’t so friendly when you have broken a rule, but they never learn that violence is not usually their only, or best, recourse.

Children could easily be taught what they do and do not have to do when interacting with police, how to establish what type of interaction they are involved in, etc.

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[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I had a talk with someone before class started this morning about how I don’t think in terms of “as a white man I…”, and that kind of thinking seems to be all too common among the “oppressed” classes.
I prefer to start off as being a human first, and then essentially coexisting with people in a sort of venn diagram-common interest type of way.

He said that in his experience, a lot of minorities had it beaten into their heads as children that they’re (blank), eg a country, religion, etc. So it’s hard for some groups to not think like that, as it’s embedded pretty deep in their psyche.
It’s a pretty shitty character flaw to have IMO, and if they could move past it maybe they would elevate their socioeconomic status and get out of this regressive loop that they’ve gotten or been entwined in.[/quote]

True, I’ll go tell my black friend that him and his Aryan humans can all go rally together.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I had a talk with someone before class started this morning about how I don’t think in terms of “as a white man I…”, and that kind of thinking seems to be all too common among the “oppressed” classes.
I prefer to start off as being a human first, and then essentially coexisting with people in a sort of venn diagram-common interest type of way.

He said that in his experience, a lot of minorities had it beaten into their heads as children that they’re (blank), eg a country, religion, etc. So it’s hard for some groups to not think like that, as it’s embedded pretty deep in their psyche.
It’s a pretty shitty character flaw to have IMO, and if they could move past it maybe they would elevate their socioeconomic status and get out of this regressive loop that they’ve gotten or been entwined in.[/quote]

True, I’ll go tell my black friend that him and his Aryan humans can all go rally together.[/quote]

Are you trying to not make sense or is this by accident?

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Well Al Sharpton and ThugBlkMan.com decided to put on white people outfits and discuss it here. - Local police involved in 400 killings per year

Of course this is probably misinformation since it was all deemed justified, and actually run by a discreet group of undercover Elija Muhammad cohorts running the FBI databases.[/quote]

Hyperbole aside, the article is interesting. As Beans and cwill1973 point out there are a few issues. [/quote]

If improved race relations/relations with police were desired, the D.A.R.E. programs across the country could do a lot. Children could be taught what their rights are in dealing with police, as well as how NOT to interact with police. Instead of teaching children that they should always talk to police, and having the children learn from experience that is not always a good idea, children could be taught that they do NOT always have to talk to police; children could be taught that their is a huge middle ground between consenting to everything and assaulting police officers. As it is, many people learn for themselves that Officer Friendly isn’t so friendly when you have broken a rule, but they never learn that violence is not usually their only, or best, recourse.

Children could easily be taught what they do and do not have to do when interacting with police, how to establish what type of interaction they are involved in, etc.[/quote]

Lol. Let’s have Alan Detshowitz explain to third graders how their Miranda Rights can be invoked on the playground. Let’s teach victims and witnesses at an early age don’t talk to the Po-Po, because they are not here to help, only arrest. Police are the problem, not the crime ridden environment.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Nice to know we have someone on here who can speak for all black people.[/quote]

Lets not pretend the reverse doesn’t happen. [/quote]

magick speaks for all non black people too?[/quote]

Didn’t you know?

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[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
I had a talk with someone before class started this morning about how I don’t think in terms of “as a white man I…”, and that kind of thinking seems to be all too common among the “oppressed” classes.
I prefer to start off as being a human first, and then essentially coexisting with people in a sort of venn diagram-common interest type of way.

He said that in his experience, a lot of minorities had it beaten into their heads as children that they’re (blank), eg a country, religion, etc. So it’s hard for some groups to not think like that, as it’s embedded pretty deep in their psyche.
It’s a pretty shitty character flaw to have IMO, and if they could move past it maybe they would elevate their socioeconomic status and get out of this regressive loop that they’ve gotten or been entwined in.[/quote]

True, I’ll go tell my black friend that him and his Aryan humans can all go rally together.[/quote]

Are you trying to not make sense or is this by accident?[/quote]

It’s the fallback argument, if you don’t agree with them you must be a racist Aryan Nation member.

Also a popular move when somebody disagrees with the president.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Well Al Sharpton and ThugBlkMan.com decided to put on white people outfits and discuss it here. - Local police involved in 400 killings per year

Of course this is probably misinformation since it was all deemed justified, and actually run by a discreet group of undercover Elija Muhammad cohorts running the FBI databases.[/quote]

Hyperbole aside, the article is interesting. As Beans and cwill1973 point out there are a few issues. [/quote]

If improved race relations/relations with police were desired, the D.A.R.E. programs across the country could do a lot. Children could be taught what their rights are in dealing with police, as well as how NOT to interact with police. Instead of teaching children that they should always talk to police, and having the children learn from experience that is not always a good idea, children could be taught that they do NOT always have to talk to police; children could be taught that their is a huge middle ground between consenting to everything and assaulting police officers. As it is, many people learn for themselves that Officer Friendly isn’t so friendly when you have broken a rule, but they never learn that violence is not usually their only, or best, recourse.

Children could easily be taught what they do and do not have to do when interacting with police, how to establish what type of interaction they are involved in, etc.[/quote]

Relationships with anything can always be improved, but how much would it really help.

The preparedness, policies, situation protocols, and recovery need to improve specially for high crime areas. When take the average person who may or may not have a degree, average intelligence, average command of his own mental state and make him deal mostly with criminals from a new area that he has to keep in check, your setting him up for failure.

NYPD occasionally post career ads on a HipHop R&B station for 24k. From the very first time I knew within 6 months there would be some insanely stupid shooting story, probably some innocent black kid dying. I think the first time may have been Sean Bell.

I love rap, I don’t think it’s the music but the effort put into a job by someone looking for any ole thing to get by at a career fair. Then adding daily life or death situations with, that’s a recipe for disaster from the very top before anyone even put on a badge.

I’m not even counting all the stereo types that need to be fought in order to do your job properly.