In the video below Noam Chomsky compares the right wing media to Nazi Germany. The analogy being that the right wing media uses scapegoates in the same way that was done in Nazi Germany.
What are your thoughts on this?
[quote]molnes wrote:
In the video below Noam Chomsky compares the right wing media to Nazi Germany. The analogy being that the right wing media uses scapegoates in the same way that was done in Nazi Germany.
What are your thoughts on this?
When Bush was in power, the media (which is mostly leftists) used Bush as a scapegoat. Everybody who has faced conflict and frustration uses scapegoats. These scapegoats usually appeal to the subconscious stereotypes of any audience that listens. Furthermore, the comparison between a national socialist regime with a power hungry German leader vs. a TV-conglomerate with a power hungry Australian businessman is erroneous.
[quote]archiewhittaker wrote:
When Bush was in power, the media (which is mostly leftists) used Bush as a scapegoat. Everybody who has faced conflict and frustration uses scapegoats.
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Not everybody, but it’s a common tendency. Also don’t forget that Bush actually had power, and critizing power isn’t the same as finding scapegoats, although he was used as a scapegoat by some people, and media as well.
[quote]archiewhittaker wrote:
These scapegoats usually appeal to the subconscious stereotypes of any audience that listens. Furthermore, the comparison between a national socialist regime with a power hungry German leader vs. a TV-conglomerate with a power hungry Australian businessman is erroneous.
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I agree, and in the video he also states that it’s not a very close comparison. The use of scapegoats is pretty similar though. The problem being that they are blaming some sort of boogeyman, and not adressing the real issues.
[quote]molnes wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:
The problem being that they are blaming some sort of boogeyman, and not adressing the real issues.[/quote]
Thus, keeping us away from matters that concern us by putting imagined enemies in front of our eyes. That is the definition of politics.
Do you even know where “scapegoat” comes from?
I bet Chomsky does and spouts that shit anyway.
Not that he isnt a clever guy.
I do, but I don’t feel like explaining it.
Why bring it up anyway?
LOL
just go on John S. thread ‘‘we live in a communist world’’ or something. First thing the guy says: ‘‘Obama is becoming a evil world leader, just like…stalin…lenin…hitler’’
I am eager to see what kind of double thinking and distorted reasoning you guys are gonna come up with.
[quote]archiewhittaker wrote:
molnes wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:
The problem being that they are blaming some sort of boogeyman, and not adressing the real issues.
Thus, keeping us away from matters that concern us by putting imagined enemies in front of our eyes. That is the definition of politics. [/quote]
Muslims aren’t an imagined enemy. They have stated their plans and goals. And are working towards them. Leftists refuse to see, what Muslims really are. The Muslim Ummah will turn on them. When they are no longer needed. There is an old soviet political jargon. That applies to these people. “Useful Idiots”
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
LOL
just go on John S. thread ‘‘we live in a communist world’’ or something. First thing the guy says: ‘‘Obama is becoming a evil world leader, just like…stalin…lenin…hitler’’
I am eager to see what kind of double thinking and distorted reasoning you guys are gonna come up with. [/quote]
You and other leftists on these forums are “Useful Idiots”.
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:
molnes wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:
The problem being that they are blaming some sort of boogeyman, and not adressing the real issues.
Thus, keeping us away from matters that concern us by putting imagined enemies in front of our eyes. That is the definition of politics.
Muslims aren’t an imagined enemy. [/quote]
I was referring to political leaders themselves as imagined enemies.
Neither right nor left wing media has ever suggested that islam and muslims are enemies, because it’s not PC. They focus on Al-quaida and the taliban, but would not admit that there has been more terrorist attacks here on US soil committed by muslims after 9/11.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
I do, but I don’t feel like explaining it.
Why bring it up anyway?[/quote]
Because a concept that is so incredibly old was hardly invented by the Nazis.
If you build a highway, does that make you like Hitler?
Hitler ate vegetables too!
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:
molnes wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:
The problem being that they are blaming some sort of boogeyman, and not adressing the real issues.
Thus, keeping us away from matters that concern us by putting imagined enemies in front of our eyes. That is the definition of politics.
Muslims aren’t an imagined enemy. They have stated their plans and goals. And are working towards them. Leftists refuse to see, what Muslims really are. The Muslim Ummah will turn on them. When they are no longer needed. There is an old soviet political jargon. That applies to these people. “Useful Idiots”[/quote]
A) Muslims are a nuisance at best.
They are not the Nazis, they are not the SU, they are all show and no go.
B) Muslims are often Arabs. Arabs boast and swagger and make colorful threats. That is part of their culture and to take all that at face value is a serious cultural difference understanding fail.
Just think of them as Joe Biden with an attitude.
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
jasmincar wrote:
LOL
just go on John S. thread ‘‘we live in a communist world’’ or something. First thing the guy says: ‘‘Obama is becoming a evil world leader, just like…stalin…lenin…hitler’’
I am eager to see what kind of double thinking and distorted reasoning you guys are gonna come up with.
You and other leftists on these forums are “Useful Idiots”.[/quote]
I really am becoming a thorn in there side arn’t I. They won’t even post in my Obama pursuing Amnesty thread.
[quote]John S. wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
jasmincar wrote:
LOL
just go on John S. thread ‘‘we live in a communist world’’ or something. First thing the guy says: ‘‘Obama is becoming a evil world leader, just like…stalin…lenin…hitler’’
I am eager to see what kind of double thinking and distorted reasoning you guys are gonna come up with.
You and other leftists on these forums are “Useful Idiots”.
I really am becoming a thorn in there side arn’t I. They won’t even post in my Obama pursuing Amnesty thread.
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Quite true John S. The left doesn’t let little things. Like the facts or truth. Get in the way.
[quote]orion wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:
molnes wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:
The problem being that they are blaming some sort of boogeyman, and not adressing the real issues.
Thus, keeping us away from matters that concern us by putting imagined enemies in front of our eyes. That is the definition of politics.
Muslims aren’t an imagined enemy. They have stated their plans and goals. And are working towards them. Leftists refuse to see, what Muslims really are. The Muslim Ummah will turn on them. When they are no longer needed. There is an old soviet political jargon. That applies to these people. “Useful Idiots”
A) Muslims are a nuisance at best.
They are not the Nazis, they are not the SU, they are all show and no go.
B) Muslims are often Arabs. Arabs boast and swagger and make colorful threats. That is part of their culture and to take all that at face value is a serious cultural difference understanding fail.
Just think of them as Joe Biden with an attitude.
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Will you say that when they get nukes. And the ICBMS, to deliver them to any point on earth. The Iranians aren’t Arabs. They have an alliance with Syrains, which helped form Hizbu"llah. Which is a threat. To not just Israel.
[quote]kodiak82 wrote:
orion wrote:
kodiak82 wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:
molnes wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:
The problem being that they are blaming some sort of boogeyman, and not adressing the real issues.
Thus, keeping us away from matters that concern us by putting imagined enemies in front of our eyes. That is the definition of politics.
Muslims aren’t an imagined enemy. They have stated their plans and goals. And are working towards them. Leftists refuse to see, what Muslims really are. The Muslim Ummah will turn on them. When they are no longer needed. There is an old soviet political jargon. That applies to these people. “Useful Idiots”
A) Muslims are a nuisance at best.
They are not the Nazis, they are not the SU, they are all show and no go.
B) Muslims are often Arabs. Arabs boast and swagger and make colorful threats. That is part of their culture and to take all that at face value is a serious cultural difference understanding fail.
Just think of them as Joe Biden with an attitude.
Will you say that when they get nukes. And the ICBMS, to deliver them to any point on earth. The Iranians aren’t Arabs. They have an alliance with Syrains, which helped form Hizbu"llah. Which is a threat. To not just Israel. [/quote]
They are not even a threat to Israel.
They are however a rather unfriendly reminder to get their shit together.
Then, there is no way to prevent them from getting nukes and they already have chemical and biological weapons. If they wanted to they can kill a few million Americans right now. They dont, because you turn countries into parking lots for far less.
Right now, they are killing less people each year than bathtubs, so chillax.
[quote]orion wrote:
They dont, because [u]you[/u] turn countries into parking lots for far less.
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I emphasized the you in this sentence to point out, once again, that lumping together the U.S. military/political system/industrial complex with the people who actually live and work under and/or for them is an error.
I may have indirectly subsidized it (as did every other taxpayer and consumer), but by making it personal, by blaming the people directly, you do a great disservice to yourself in trying to make a point.
In the future, I would re-work my arguments with this in mind…if I were you.
[quote]molnes wrote:
…The problem being that they are blaming some sort of boogeyman, and not adressing the real issues.[/quote]It’s ‘divide and conquer’.
As long as ‘they’ can distract the masses with relatively non-issues like gay marriage and abortion, and as long as they can divide us into ‘liberal-conservative’, ‘republican-democrat’, ‘white-minority’, etc., ‘they’re’ safe.
Who is ‘they’? Like Deep Throat said “follow the money”. Who has control of congress – which lobbies? Who gets favorable legislation regardless of which party is in power? Who benefits from us being divided and fighting amongst ourselves? Who’s still profiting while many are going broke and losing their homes, savings, retirement, benefits, etc?
Too many Americans are uninformed saps who only see the surface and allow themselves to be manipulated and so taken advantage of. From the savings and loan debacle to the current bubble and whatever the next economic disaster we’ve allowed ‘them’ to do this to us.
America has real problems – crumbling infrastructure, shrinking standard of living, debt, health care costs us ~twice what other advanced nations pay and we have worse outcomes by most standards, we’ve invaded 3 countries and are involved in a ‘war’ on terror that’s currently never-ending, the war on drugs has failed miserably and is taking down Mexico at the moment and is spreading across the border to here, in my parents generation one wage earner could support a middle class family and now it takes 2, job security/wages/benefits are decreasing, etc. etc. etc. And while America burns, we’re fiddling with the relatively unimportant, fighting each other like saps.
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Unless someone is planning on exterminating Jews on a genocidal scale, let’s keep the Nazi accusations out of the picture, mmkay?
[quote]spurlock wrote:
orion wrote:
They dont, because [u]you[/u] turn countries into parking lots for far less.
I emphasized the you in this sentence to point out, once again, that lumping together the U.S. military/political system/industrial complex with the people who actually live and work under and/or for them is an error.
I may have indirectly subsidized it (as did every other taxpayer and consumer), but by making it personal, by blaming the people directly, you do a great disservice to yourself in trying to make a point.
In the future, I would re-work my arguments with this in mind…if I were you. [/quote]
True, but the broader point is that when Americans get histerical, and it does not take that much to do that, the parking space increases.
To use a WMD on American soil is suicide.
Now some illiterate goat herders might not care, but those on top of the food chain in whatever country actually get laid.