Obama's Germany Speech

Here are a few of my favorite highlights:

In the “race has nothing to do with this campaign” files:

“I know that I don’t look like the Americans who’ve previously spoken in this great city.”

I like how he puts these both on the same plane:

“The terrorists of September 11th plotted in Hamburg and trained in Kandahar and Karachi before killing thousands from all over the globe on American soil. As we speak, cars in Boston and factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, shrinking coastlines in the Atlantic, and bringing drought to farms from Kansas to Kenya.”

“The genocide in Darfur shames the conscience of us all.”

But the genocide in Iraq under Saddam?

“But the burdens of global citizenship continue to bind us together. A change of leadership in Washington will not lift this burden. In this new century, Americans and Europeans alike will be required to do more – not less. Partnership and cooperation among nations is not a choice (this seems to be a common theme with him) ; it is the one way, the only way, to protect our common security and advance our common humanity.”

“Now is the time to join together, through constant cooperation, strong institutions, shared sacrifice, and a global commitment to progress,”

“This is the moment when we must renew the goal of a world without nuclear weapons. The two superpowers that faced each other across the wall of this city came too close too often to destroying all we have built and all that we love. With that wall gone, we need not stand idly by and watch the further spread of the deadly atom. It is time to secure all loose nuclear materials; to stop the spread of nuclear weapons; and to reduce the arsenals from another era. This is the moment to begin the work of seeking the peace of a world without nuclear weapons.”

What wars have nuclear weapons given us? In fact, it seems to me that nuclear weapons have given us peace.

Here is the shining jewel of Barrack Marx:

"This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably. Trade has been a cornerstone of our growth and global development. But we will not be able to sustain this growth if it favors the few, and not the many. Together, we must forge trade that truly rewards the work that creates wealth, with meaningful protections for our people and our planet. This is the moment for trade that is free and fair for all.

“Will we acknowledge that there is no more powerful example than the one each of our nations projects to the world? Will we reject torture and stand for the rule of law? Will we welcome immigrants from different lands, and shun discrimination against those who don’t look like us or worship like we do, and keep the promise of equality and opportunity for all of our people?”

We or America?

This guy is so bad that I occasionally actually consider a McCain vote.

mike

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
I like how he puts these both on the same plane:[emphasis mine]

“The terrorists of September 11th plotted in Hamburg and trained in Kandahar and Karachi before killing thousands from all over the globe on American soil. As we speak, cars in Boston and factories in Beijing are melting the ice caps in the Arctic, shrinking coastlines in the Atlantic, and bringing drought to farms from Kansas to Kenya.”[/quote]

I’m betting you didn’t catch that pun.

200 000 people were there (I was, too).

Last time Bush was here, some 500 pre selected flag waivers along with nearly as much police greeted him.

You can say what you want, this man’s charisma could rebuild the US’ shit-tarnished reputation.
Quite a feat.

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
200 000 people were there (I was, too).

Last time Bush was here, some 500 pre selected flag waivers along with nearly as much police greeted him.

You can say what you want, this man’s charisma could rebuild the US’ shit-tarnished reputation.
Quite a feat.[/quote]

Perhaps Prussia and Upper Silesia should be awarded votes in the Electoral College.

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
200 000 people were there (I was, too).

Last time Bush was here, some 500 pre selected flag waivers along with nearly as much police greeted him.

You can say what you want, this man’s charisma could rebuild the US’ shit-tarnished reputation.
Quite a feat.[/quote]

Yep, that what the cultist followers of him believe too.

His followers are idiots, caught up in a change frenzy.

Are you aware that most of Prussia and whole upper Silesia aren’t german anymore? Since poles are the only europeans who support Bush, they’d probably vote for McCain.

No wonder a geek like you wants to grant them voting rights.

@MtbKid:
Cult followers?
Is it so hard to understand your current President is a debacle - at least from a PR point of view, surely you can grant me that?
Before Bush, europeans loved America. Now most people think you’re more dangerous then Iran.

This man can make the western world embrace you again, perhaps even see you as a leader figure once more.
His rival is a seventytwo year old(!) elitist, who’s campaign is primarily milking his traumatic torture experience (aka “heroism”).

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:

Before Bush, europeans loved America. Now most people think you’re more dangerous then Iran.

[/quote]

Serious question: Why should I care?

[quote]NateOrade wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:

Before Bush, europeans loved America. Now most people think you’re more dangerous then Iran.

Serious question: Why should I care?[/quote]

You don’t have to.

In the last few years, there has been considerable talk among Americans that they were somewhat hated because of their freedoms/grandeur/success/etc. It’s been repeated so often that lots of people are starting to believe it. Plenty of examples to go around on this very board.

Moreover, in this so-called war on (or is it of?) terror, there seems to be a consensus on your leaders’ part that it has to go through “winning hearts and minds”. If we were to take them at their words, you should then probably care about how your country is perceived elsewhere.

To summarize, you don’t have to care, but it may be wise in case you were one of those who asked “why do they hate us?”. If you personally go around pissing people off deliberately, expect consequences.

So is Obama wanting military intervention in Darfur?

America can either try to understand why they get people motivated to fly planes into their buildings, or build a wall around and a roof over its country. Its up you. Thats where Ron Paul was 100% right.

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Are you aware that most of Prussia and whole upper Silesia aren’t german anymore? Since poles are the only europeans who support Bush, they’d probably vote for McCain.

No wonder a geek like you wants to grant them voting rights.

@MtbKid:
Cult followers?
Is it so hard to understand your current President is a debacle - at least from a PR point of view, surely you can grant me that?
Before Bush, europeans loved America. Now most people think you’re more dangerous then Iran.

This man can make the western world embrace you again, perhaps even see you as a leader figure once more.

His rival is a seventytwo year old(!) elitist, who’s campaign is primarily milking his traumatic torture experience (aka “heroism”).

[/quote]

So because Europe doesn’t want be our friend due to our current sucky president, we should support a full on Marxist so that way you’ll like us? Besides, what does Obama being a Marxist (and also a huge elitist) have to do with McCain? That guy sucks too. Perhaps Obama can make you see us as a leader, but I’d rather you hate us and do your own thing, than allow us to lead you into a new dark age.

mike

[quote]Ken Kaniff wrote:

Serious question: Why should I care?

America can either try to understand why they get people motivated to fly planes into their buildings, or build a wall around and a roof over its country. Its up you. Thats where Ron Paul was 100% right.[/quote]

Paul was right that we should find out why they hate us. It’s important to differentiate between knowing and caring. This is what our German friend doesn’t understand.

I know why half the world hates us, but I don’t find their friendship so valuable as to give up my way of life and be like them. I will not lapse into a socialist dystopia. Live free or die is an idea quite foreign to the bulk of the world, even in Europe.

mike

[quote]Ken Kaniff wrote:

Serious question: Why should I care?

America can either try to understand why they get people motivated to fly planes into their buildings, or build a wall around and a roof over its country. Its up you. Thats where Ron Paul was 100% right.[/quote]

Hilarious that you think “understanding” will actually stop terrorists from trying to attack us.

[quote]NateOrade wrote:
Ken Kaniff wrote:

Serious question: Why should I care?

America can either try to understand why they get people motivated to fly planes into their buildings, or build a wall around and a roof over its country. Its up you. Thats where Ron Paul was 100% right.

Hilarious that you think “understanding” will actually stop terrorists from trying to attack us.[/quote]

How exactly did you infer that from his post?

[quote]lixy wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
Ken Kaniff wrote:

Serious question: Why should I care?

America can either try to understand why they get people motivated to fly planes into their buildings, or build a wall around and a roof over its country. Its up you. Thats where Ron Paul was 100% right.

Hilarious that you think “understanding” will actually stop terrorists from trying to attack us.

How exactly did you infer that from his post?[/quote]

Because he presented it as an either/or. I assumed he was talking about protecting the US since his second option was building a wall and roof.

[quote]NateOrade wrote:
lixy wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
Ken Kaniff wrote:

Serious question: Why should I care?

America can either try to understand why they get people motivated to fly planes into their buildings, or build a wall around and a roof over its country. Its up you. Thats where Ron Paul was 100% right.

Hilarious that you think “understanding” will actually stop terrorists from trying to attack us.

How exactly did you infer that from his post?

Because he presented it as an either/or. I assumed he was talking about protecting the US since his second option was building a wall and roof. [/quote]

Understanding the situation is a prerequisite here. The either/or does not exclude taking appropriate and informed measures. It just shows the two options. If you don’t care about how your country is perceived and how its foreign policy is affecting foreigners’ lives, then you also have to accept the possibility that those foreigners might want to make you care forcibly.

I think Ken’s “wall and roof” was more a metaphor than anything else. Seeing how the locals can be subverted and/or bought through the internet or other communication means.

You’re making us go into trivialities here. Do us all a favor and move to something more constructive.

[quote]Ken Kaniff wrote:

America can either try to understand why they get people motivated to fly planes into their buildings, or build a wall around and a roof over its country. Its up you. Thats where Ron Paul was 100% right.[/quote]

We already know why they fly planes into our buildings - for the exact same reason they slaughter innocent African Christians and animists in the Sudan, poor Third World tribal peoples who have no foreign policy at all to spark such “blowback”. Interesting, no?

They aren’t reacting, they are acting - and their agenda changes little depending on who they want to victimize.

Do yourself a favor and divorce yourself from the idiocy that Islamists are “noble savages” driven to hurt others because they have been oppressed. It’s naive and dangerous, and it looks like we - based on Obama’s speech in Berlin - are about to revert to such sloppy thinking.

Americans are hated because we are free and prosperous. We work very hard, take care of our families, and take in refugees from all around the world.

That’s a good reason to hate America.

I wish Obama had stayed in Germany.

[quote]Standndeliver wrote:
Americans are hated because we are free and prosperous. We work very hard, take care of our families, and take in refugees from all around the world. [/quote]

I rest my case.

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Are you aware that most of Prussia and whole upper Silesia aren’t german anymore? Since poles are the only europeans who support Bush, they’d probably vote for McCain.

No wonder a geek like you wants to grant them voting rights.
[/quote]

“Irony: a form of humor, utterly lost by some.”