[quote]Solomon Grundy wrote:
I never really bought into the suppressive fire crap. I under stand the idea of forcing the enemy to keep their head down and allow the unit to move, but eventually you are going to run out of ammo and then what?hit them in the head with a rock? I prefer the idea of killing the enemy in as few shots a possible, there for, forcing his head down permanently and allowing me to kill as many as possible before I have to fix bayonets. I?m just crazy that way. Cover me while I throw my rock!
Me Solomon Grundy
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You rock, Solomon!
Forcing his head down permanently…sheer poetry. Yeah, I’m a little crazy that way myself.
Please post that T-shirt pic over on the Liberty Control thread. It is most appropriate to the topic currently being discussed.
And really when I dropped a Bull Elk with one shot @ 235yr with my .223rem rifle, That told me they have plenty of power for any CQ tactical assult situation, its just all about shot placement.
Really!? In Colorado it’s illegal to hunt any big game with anything smaller than a .24 caliber.[/quote]
Ya I did’t say anything about the law. IT was my buddies tag but he did’t like the shot so I took it.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
Dane Percival wrote:
And really when I dropped a Bull Elk with one shot @ 235yr with my .223rem rifle, That told me they have plenty of power for any CQ tactical assult situation, its just all about shot placement.
Really!? In Colorado it’s illegal to hunt any big game with anything smaller than a .24 caliber.
As it should be. It is irresponsible to hunt large game with a .223.
Excellent shot placement is often the exception, not the rule.
If you need perfection to succeed you may find yourself failing more often than if you would like.
Use enough gun![/quote]
.223rem is not my cal of choice for large game, but even so, If you were to shot with perfection, you would find your self succeding a lot more.
And really when I dropped a Bull Elk with one shot @ 235yr with my .223rem rifle, That told me they have plenty of power for any CQ tactical assult situation, its just all about shot placement.
Really!? In Colorado it’s illegal to hunt any big game with anything smaller than a .24 caliber.
As it should be. It is irresponsible to hunt large game with a .223.
Excellent shot placement is often the exception, not the rule.
If you need perfection to succeed you may find yourself failing more often than if you would like.
Use enough gun!
.223rem is not my cal of choice for large game, but even so, If you were to shot with perfection, you would find your self succeding a lot more.
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I always hit where I aim!
I worked with a dude that hunts in WV with his AR-15. He has wounded deer and lost them TWICE.
I wanted to punch him in the face first time he did it and then when he did it again I wanted to shoot him.
And really when I dropped a Bull Elk with one shot @ 235yr with my .223rem rifle, That told me they have plenty of power for any CQ tactical assult situation, its just all about shot placement.
Really!? In Colorado it’s illegal to hunt any big game with anything smaller than a .24 caliber.
As it should be. It is irresponsible to hunt large game with a .223.
Excellent shot placement is often the exception, not the rule.
If you need perfection to succeed you may find yourself failing more often than if you would like.
Use enough gun!
.223rem is not my cal of choice for large game, but even so, If you were to shot with perfection, you would find your self succeding a lot more.
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Yeah, but if you’re off by an inch you only wound the animal. It’s crap like this that gives hunters a bad name.
[quote]Solomon Grundy wrote:
I never really bought into the suppressive fire crap. I under stand the idea of forcing the enemy to keep their head down and allow the unit to move, but eventually you are going to run out of ammo and then what?hit them in the head with a rock? I prefer the idea of killing the enemy in as few shots a possible, there for, forcing his head down permanently and allowing me to kill as many as possible before I have to fix bayonets. I?m just crazy that way. Cover me while I throw my rock!
Me Solomon Grundy
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FYI, Suppresive fire also allows riflemen to get a good position and aim in so he can take out the enemy when he does expose himself.
Irresponsible? Illegal? Gentlemen, the man is talking about mortal fucking sin.
Dane, your friend was right to not like the shot. I fucking hate the shot, and I wasn’t even there. Two hundred thirty-five yards with a motherfucking twenty-two?! Because that’s all the 5.56 NATO is, you know, just a .22 on steroids.
Did you perchance miss the discussion about the 5.56 NATO round, its design and its purpose?
The cartridge is designed to wound rather than kill: to keep its victim alive and suffering, so that he may thrash around bleeding profusely from a ragged flesh wound, spoiling his buddies’ morale and tying up medical facilities.
Taking large game is an iffy proposition even with a weapon of the proper caliber. And 235 yards is nothing to be proud of, by the way. Your skill as a hunter is determined by how close you can get to your quarry without frightening him off, and your duty as a hunter is to terminate your prey quickly and efficiently. I thought everyone knew this.
Looks like most CQB and urban weapons are .223 now. Well it’s better then when they used 9mm Mp5s and Uzies. Out of curiosity I wanted to see if anyone used 7.62. This is what I found, a FN FAL varient made by DS Arms.
[quote]Massif wrote:
I have a .303 rifle that was made in about 1915, and used in WW1. A truly beautiful piece of machinery. Still shoots straight as the day it was made.
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Ah, the grand S.M.L.E., if I’m not mistaken.
Probably killed more Soviet soldiers during the Cold War than any other smallarm.
When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains
And the women come out to cut up what remains
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Massif wrote:
I have a .303 rifle that was made in about 1915, and used in WW1. A truly beautiful piece of machinery. Still shoots straight as the day it was made.
Ah, the grand S.M.L.E., if I’m not mistaken.
Probably killed more Soviet soldiers during the Cold War than any other smallarm.
When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains
And the women come out to cut up what remains
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.[/quote]
Killed an ass load of Germans, too.
An experienced rifleman could fire 30 aimed shots per minute, including reloading. The military round was lethal at a range of 7 kilometres (4.4 miles).
It is still in fantastic condition. I use it to go pig hunting occassionally.
[quote]CEZAR wrote:
Out of curiosity I wanted to see if anyone used 7.62. This is what I found, a FN FAL varient made by DS Arms.
FN - DSA-58OSW[/quote]
As I noted above, I use a DSA SA58, with a barrel only a hair longer than the hand guard, no para stock, and without all the bells and whistles of the 580SW. As far as the quality of the DSA product, DSA secured a full set of blueprints and the original tooling from Steyr, which produced a variant of the FAL called the STG-58. Some say that the DSA version is better than the original.
I’ve paired it with a Trilux SUIT scope that was designed for the British FN.
[quote]Massif wrote:
I have a .303 rifle that was made in about 1915, and used in WW1. A truly beautiful piece of machinery. Still shoots straight as the day it was made.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Fellas I gotta break with the crowd here. I would love to have an old black powder rifle…damn those things are cool.[/quote]
Yes, they are cool. I purchased a Knight .50 cal a couple of years ago and have since retired the .270 and .30-06. I put a scope on it and it is now more accurate than my rifles. I now hunt exclusively with the black powder during gun season. Lots of fun and a lot more challenging.
[quote]Solomon Grundy wrote:
I never really bought into the suppressive fire crap. I under stand the idea of forcing the enemy to keep their head down and allow the unit to move, but eventually you are going to run out of ammo and then what?hit them in the head with a rock? I prefer the idea of killing the enemy in as few shots a possible, there for, forcing his head down permanently and allowing me to kill as many as possible before I have to fix bayonets. I?m just crazy that way. Cover me while I throw my rock!
Me Solomon Grundy
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Where are you fining these shirts? I’d love to see others / buy some.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Does anyone have a mini-30?
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I have an AR10A2, and a 10T upper to go with it. The 10T upper has the Lothar-Walther Stainless heavy barrel.
The A2 upper has the iron sights, and the 10T upper has a Mark 4 M1 10X scope. Does that count?
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Irresponsible? Illegal? Gentlemen, the man is talking about mortal fucking sin.
Dane, your friend was right to not like the shot. I fucking hate the shot, and I wasn’t even there. Two hundred thirty-five yards with a motherfucking twenty-two?! Because that’s all the 5.56 NATO is, you know, just a .22 on steroids.
Did you perchance miss the discussion about the 5.56 NATO round, its design and its purpose?
The cartridge is designed to wound rather than kill: to keep its victim alive and suffering, so that he may thrash around bleeding profusely from a ragged flesh wound, spoiling his buddies’ morale and tying up medical facilities.
Taking large game is an iffy proposition even with a weapon of the proper caliber. And 235 yards is nothing to be proud of, by the way. Your skill as a hunter is determined by how close you can get to your quarry without frightening him off, and your duty as a hunter is to terminate your prey quickly and efficiently. I thought everyone knew this.
You got lucky. Don’t do it again.[/quote]
Consistence is not luck my friend. Not say that I ever taken anything ells that size with a .223, but I have never lost one of my targets.
