[quote]Professor X wrote:
and also just a tad biased.[/quote]
LOL, yeah that’s it.
RGIII said he doesn’t want to be seen as a Black Man, but a Man.
But no, some jackass has to judge him based on the color of his skin on national television, and people that think the “reporter” is a jackass are biased?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
and also just a tad biased.[/quote]
LOL, yeah that’s it.
RGIII said he doesn’t want to be seen as a Black Man, but a Man.
But no, some jackass has to judge him based on the color of his skin on national television, and people that think the “reporter” is a jackass are biased?
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Just a little…yeah. Everyone involved would be a jackass to a degree.
He is one for making this statement on tv as if it is relevant and YOU are wrong for not seeing that yeah, there is actually a reason some black people feel like that whether you personally understand it or sympathize with it.
This is a comment I hear a hundred times a day from random people depending on where I am. I must have heard similar to this at least 5 times from older dudes at the VA hospital last week in regards to random people.
Yes, surprise, racism actually had some effects that still exist. It makes as much sense pretending it didn’t happen and that race means nothing today…as it does to make dumb ass statements like this on tv as if it means anything in the realm of sports to today’s youth.
This is what you call a non-issue…until some people act like there is no reason for any animosity at all in the black community.
The problem is, that while racism did exist to a large degree in the past, it is not that way now.
Yes we still have SOME racism, by all sorts of people, but this guy jumping on the bandwagon when he feels uncomfortable with RG3’s life decisions just seems fucking stooopid to me.
Also, RG3 is doing stuff, and the reporter is just reporting on it, there has to be some jealousy there.
Great men do shit, and everyone else talks about it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
I don’t think it’s about being offended. It’s really about the fact the, at least for me, I was duped into believing that the whole problem with racism is paying attention to the race. That race, or skin color should not factor in, at all, with regards to a person. In other words, any conversation outside of physical appearance, race should not be consideration in anyway.
But apparently some, like the ijit in the article, consider race to be a driving factor in how one should live and act in their life. And that one ‘owes’ it to their race to behave and believe a certain way or they have betrayed their race.
I just think it’s dumb. Are we going to get over racism, or are we going to perpetuate it? [/quote]
This perspective makes little sense. It implies that anyone is somehow able to escape being labeled by skin color today. While it is no longer as MUCH of an issue, you can see by the many posts here that I am still often seen as a “BLACK man” posting and not a man who happens to be a minority of some sort. Someone like that can not possibly walk around pretending that race doesn’t matter at all. It clearly does.
His comment was about whether one specific person acknowledged his “heritage” and acts in a historically socially “acceptable” way in the black community.
Your problem is you see this as wrong.
It can’t possibly be wrong. It could only be wrong if there has been no reason for those emotions in the first place.
In other words, while I also acknowledge this as “out of date thinking” the very fact that a large percentage of the population still lives who actually remember WHITE ONLY water fountains means you can’t expect for this to not exist or see it as wrong.
Your statement about “paying attention to race” makes no sense. It isn’t like I walk into a mall and no one notices I’m black.[/quote]
It’s not about noticing, it’s about making it a non-issue. Who cares if you are black? Sure, everybody notices what you look like, when is that going to stop being an issue? When people stop making it one.
If any race is making a big deal about race, then it’s going to continue to be an issue. Perhaps you prefer it this way? Perhaps the attitude is that people honestly don’t want to get to a point where race doesn’t matter? If that’s what you want than that’s what we’ll have.
The problem is really simple, either race is going to be an issue, or it’s not. If people continue to make it an issue, black or white, then it will be one. If we want to progress beyond that, it’s going to take a collective paradigm shift that says “it doesn’t matter”.
It sounds to me like you want it to matter, or am I wrong? I don’t want it to matter I want to get past that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is what you call a non-issue…until some people act like there is no reason for any animosity at all in the black community.
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What is the reason for it? The past? Or is it fear?
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is what you call a non-issue…until some people act like there is no reason for any animosity at all in the black community.
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What is the reason for it? The past? Or is it fear?[/quote]
The past and the present. Racism is by no means gone, even though I personally do not see it “as a main concept” as the determining factor in the success of most people today. That does not make it a non-issue. It simply means I think the marches and public change has progressed to a point where blacks today can succeed.
If I am grouped with an entire group of people every time I leave the house, to expect someone to be able to act like it doesn’t happen is ridiculous…and let me tell you, people are still affected by SKIN TONE and not just skin color. A dark skinned person today may likely feel more racism than a black person with lighter skin.
This is about stereotypes…and if those stereotypes are substantial enough to cause an entire race of people to huddle together for survival, expecting that to dissipate in ONE generation is ludicrous at best.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes, surprise, racism actually had some effects that still exist. [/quote]
One of those effects, in this case, is more racism.
I understand that there are reasons for this kind of line of thinking. I understand that it has deep roots in centuries of appalling oppression. And I have as much distaste as anyone for the people who discount the racial history of this country because, shucks, it was just so long ago–as if there isn’t a causal chain that extends back to the slave driver’s whip.
But this is racism regardless. This is the prism of race given priority over the prism of individual merit, belief, character. This is the reduction of being to color.
The bottom line is this: that blacks are not as keen as whites to forget this country’s sometimes miserable past is perfectly justified. This doesn’t change the fact that the following sentence is a stupid and racist one: “this man is black and therefore he should believe…”
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes, surprise, racism actually had some effects that still exist. [/quote]
One of those effects, in this case, is more racism.
I understand that there are reasons for this kind of line of thinking. I understand that it has deep roots in centuries of appalling oppression. And I have as much distaste as anyone for the people who discount the racial history of this country because, shucks, it was just so long ago–as if there isn’t a causal chain that extends back to the slave driver’s whip.
But this is racism regardless. This is the prism of race given priority over the prism of individual merit, belief, character. This is the reduction of being to color.
The bottom line is this: that blacks are not as keen as whites to forget this country’s sometimes miserable past is perfectly justified. This doesn’t change the fact that the following sentence is a stupid and racist one: “this man is black and therefore he should believe…”[/quote]
The issue is, that your last paragraph is being suggested by a black man himself, and not getting the same blow-back that a White man would get if he said it.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes, surprise, racism actually had some effects that still exist. [/quote]
One of those effects, in this case, is more racism.
I understand that there are reasons for this kind of line of thinking. I understand that it has deep roots in centuries of appalling oppression. And I have as much distaste as anyone for the people who discount the racial history of this country because, shucks, it was just so long ago–as if there isn’t a causal chain that extends back to the slave driver’s whip.
But this is racism regardless. This is the prism of race given priority over the prism of individual merit, belief, character. This is the reduction of being to color.
The bottom line is this: that blacks are not as keen as whites to forget this country’s sometimes miserable past is perfectly justified. This doesn’t change the fact that the following sentence is a stupid and racist one: “this man is black and therefore he should believe…”[/quote]
The issue is, that your last paragraph is being suggested by a black man himself, and not getting the same blow-back that a White man would get if he said it. [/quote]
Yes, this is my point.
The man in the video–I don’t have the time or desire to look up names here, because this is as close to meaningless news as something can be without being totally uninteresting–is making a shamefully stupid and somewhat racist argument.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Everyone involved would be a jackass to a degree.[/quote]
Fair enough.
Don’t get me wrong, I get what dude was saying.
LOL. Of course it means something and racism has many (some very large) ripples in today’s world. No one who isn’t a dolt or an asshole would deny that.
The issue here, at least to me, is here is this kid trying to transend all that noise and rise above. But this guy won’t let him, and that makes him a jackass. And I’m only judging the one reporter, I’m not trying to wrap the whole of Black Experience into this one guy’s statement.
If RGIII was a halfback, none of this would be said. The NFL has an ugly past in some people’s mind when it comes to the QB position. Some people say it was race based, but I tend to think it was just as much about being more athletic than white peers, and therefore more valuable at other positions, than race based. But any way you look at it, it wasn’t until recently that the black QB wasn’t like “hey, look a black QB.”
I look at it the same was as Hockey. You see a Black dude playing hockey and you’re like, “hey look, you don’t see that every day”. It isn’t like the NHL is racist.
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This is what you call a non-issue…until some people act like there is no reason for any animosity at all in the black community.[/quote]
Animosity towards white people wouldn’t surprise me, I guess the rustled feathers come about when the animosity is other other black people.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Animosity towards white people wouldn’t surprise me, I guess the rustled feathers come about when the animosity is other other black people.
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And this concept again is hypocritical. Every single one of those rustled feathers feels betrayed if their best football player leaves for another team…or if the guy from the same country as them wins an election but was from an opposing political field.
All humans show this daily…but for some reason, when black people do it with a truly justified recent historical reason, it is seen as so negative it needs this discussion.
Yes, there is a double standard…because white people weren’t slaves in the last 200 years or so and social racial bias hasn’t literally kept their race behind until just half a century ago.
I am guessing there are still quite a few Jews who are still pissed at Germans. It would be a little retarded to blame an older Jewish person for animosity they feel even though today’s generation knew little of it.
Professor,
If you knew how many Jews buy BMW’s and Benzs, you would fall over.
In the case of Jews and BMW’s/Benzs, they justify as a sign of their accomplishments and status.
Should the situation be one of improvement, the irony is justified.
Successful Black people have been known to buy Bentley’s and Rolls Royce, irrelevant of the British Slave Trade.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is what you call a non-issue…until some people act like there is no reason for any animosity at all in the black community.
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What is the reason for it? The past? Or is it fear?[/quote]
The past and the present. Racism is by no means gone, even though I personally do not see it “as a main concept” as the determining factor in the success of most people today. That does not make it a non-issue. It simply means I think the marches and public change has progressed to a point where blacks today can succeed.
If I am grouped with an entire group of people every time I leave the house, to expect someone to be able to act like it doesn’t happen is ridiculous…and let me tell you, people are still affected by SKIN TONE and not just skin color. A dark skinned person today may likely feel more racism than a black person with lighter skin.
This is about stereotypes…and if those stereotypes are substantial enough to cause an entire race of people to huddle together for survival, expecting that to dissipate in ONE generation is ludicrous at best.[/quote]
Well, I got one simple question for you. Do you believe that the statements Rob Parker made were racist or not?
I was watching this the morning it aired and was not suprised by what Rob Parker said. Anyone that watches that show knows that he says some pretty borderline things. He really asked to get suspended by ESPN. Maybe he just wanted a little time off for the holidays. “A brother, or a cornball brother?” what the fuck? He went on to say “this is how real people in barbershops talk.” You could tell in Stephen A Smith’s response that he knew Parker stepped in a load of shit. ESPN did the right thing to suspend him. He will be lucky if he keeps his job.
That being said, I don’t think Parker is a bad guy. Just an idiot. When it comes to actual sports talk he’s even more of an idiot haha.
Here is the commentary that got Rush Limbaugh fired from ESPN
EDIT: And you can hear Michael Irving at the end saying “rush has a point” lol.
^resigned, not fired.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
How is this news? This isn’t even out of line. More like out of date. The announcer likely grew up in the 70’s. I can understand why he thinks like that and also why many younger wouldn’t today. I wouldn’t exactly call this “offensive” except to other black people who may be perceived as “sell outs” by people from similar backgrounds.
I am sure some might say that about me if they didn’t jump to conclusions based on my appearance first.
I am not sure why this is news.
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X I am surprised that you don’t find this offensive. I feel it marginalizes and pigeonholes what it is to be a Black person in America, or as he put it “down with the cause.” Thomas is simply implying what many other racist and prejudiced people perceive a Black person to be about. He’s not Black because he may be a republican? Greg Anthony is a republican I don’t see Thomas questioning his blackness. Charles Barkley married a White Woman, that makes him a “cornball brother?” Its almost as if this guy is saying your not a real brother unless you uphold certain racial stereotypes that what seems to me as part of a plight that Black people on a whole have fought to get away from such notions.[/quote]
Did I miss something or did Barker ONLY ask a question? He alluded to things that could lead to it but he said I’m wondering. I only saw 2 minute clip but I don’t see anything so offensive. Better to bring it up now then find out later we have another Tiger Woods who comes flat out and say I’m not black.
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I have to agree. I do NOT see what is so offensive. I got told I “talked white” most of the time in school growing up. I am “multicultural” but also consider myself “black”. I actually hate most labels.
I am surprised someone sees this thinking as odd considering our history in this country.
This would only seem odd to you if you tried to act like we did NOT live in a country with an extremely racist and socially effective history.
Yes, I can perfectly understand people of the race that was most downtrodden in recent history pulling together for a common cause.
To not understand this would be to not understand the human condition and show extreme bias.[/quote]
I had no idea that you were Jewish.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Animosity towards white people wouldn’t surprise me, I guess the rustled feathers come about when the animosity is other other black people.
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And this concept again is hypocritical. Every single one of those rustled feathers feels betrayed if their best football player leaves for another team…or if the guy from the same country as them wins an election but was from an opposing political field.
All humans show this daily…but for some reason, when black people do it with a truly justified recent historical reason, it is seen as so negative it needs this discussion.
Yes, there is a double standard…because white people weren’t slaves in the last 200 years or so and social racial bias hasn’t literally kept their race behind until just half a century ago.
I am guessing there are still quite a few Jews who are still pissed at Germans. It would be a little retarded to blame an older Jewish person for animosity they feel even though today’s generation knew little of it.[/quote]
I want to give this the thought out response it deserves, but I’m short on time.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is what you call a non-issue…until some people act like there is no reason for any animosity at all in the black community.
[/quote]
What is the reason for it? The past? Or is it fear?[/quote]
The past and the present. Racism is by no means gone, even though I personally do not see it “as a main concept” as the determining factor in the success of most people today. That does not make it a non-issue. It simply means I think the marches and public change has progressed to a point where blacks today can succeed.
If I am grouped with an entire group of people every time I leave the house, to expect someone to be able to act like it doesn’t happen is ridiculous…and let me tell you, people are still affected by SKIN TONE and not just skin color. A dark skinned person today may likely feel more racism than a black person with lighter skin.
This is about stereotypes…and if those stereotypes are substantial enough to cause an entire race of people to huddle together for survival, expecting that to dissipate in ONE generation is ludicrous at best.[/quote]
Well, I got one simple question for you. Do you believe that the statements Rob Parker made were racist or not?[/quote]
Racist? Aren’t they both black?
Maybe “unprofessional”…but racist? How do you figure that? This entire country raised an entire race for generations to see their skin color as a boundary. No, I do not agree that those who react to a racist climate by acknowledging their race and the implications of it are in fact racist themselves for doing so.
That entire thought process implies that races that experience undue socially effective racism are racists themselves if they dare try to protect their own racial interests.
My point is, yes, people DO talk like that in barber shops…and they will as long as many are filled with aging 50+ year old men gabbing in their spare time.
Most black barbershops are not exactly filled with really loud 20 year olds. The older dudes often do all the talking in that regard.
While I think his comment is unprofessional, I am very well aware that it is by no means a RARE concept in the community he was claiming to represent.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
The black community once voted for the Republican party unanimously…
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I really find it funny that they joined the party of the white supremacist, Lincoln.