RGIII Apparently Isn't Black Enough

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

Reminds me of the race-hustlers that didn’t want Col. Allen West in the Congressional Black Caucus because he is a Republican.[/quote]

He’s also real dumb though. That could be a factor.[/quote]

What makes you say that?[/quote]

Whether or not you argee with West’s ramblerousing and conjecture is one thing, but to call him dumb is flat out wrong, and I honestly expected more from smh, as he normally gets this.

(I do suspect it was a quick quip post though and not intended to be taken 100% serious.)

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Better to bring it up now then find out later we have another Tiger Woods who comes flat out and say I’m not black.
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Why would it matter that Woods doesn’t want to be labled as a demographic. Why is it a bad thing?

I mean, why would he invite the lable “greatest black golfer of all time” when he can be “the greatest golfer of all time”?

The point being and why this is news is, people want to put others in a nice neat little box that meets expectations. The real world doesn’t work like that.

And the “white privlidge” nonsense is garbage, at least in the professional world, and honestly, if you aren’t paying, I don’t care what your opinion of me or anyone else is.

edit: are v aren’t

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

When I say, call the national guard, I’m saying get off your ass and do something about it. You guys sit on your thumbs and spin around, then suck your thumbs and turn a blind eye when your base goes and says something retarded. I don’t mean call the national guard literally, I’m talking about correcting your base with some urgency, rather than sucking on your home made tootsie roll while your base makes your entirety look like a bunch of klansmen.

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Oh I see. So when you said the national guard should be used to silence conservatives what you really meant was something completely different. Right…

She lied numerous times claiming the attack was a spontaneous demonstration against a video. She’s not fit to hold office. No one suggested she should share information that she was privy to. That’s just a red herring.

Blatant racism? LOL. I think it’s you who doesn’t know anything about her life. Her immediate family are members of a terrorist group dedicated to destroying the U.S. Doesn’t that mean anything to you? How can you ignore something like that and claim racism?

Actually no, she couldn’t have kept it hush because no one would’ve done anything. They still haven’t. How did the accusations 'put her, and her familys life in danger?[/quote]

The accusations put her family in danger, people reacted to Bachman’s accusations and started threatening her family.

As for the Benedict Arnold of the Army who self radicalized and shot folks. He’s a psych guy, so he gets to see medical records and tell people they are unfit for duty, which requires a fairly high level clearance. Far less scrutinized as someone that would be next to a former presidents wife, who would have and I can pretty much guarantee you she is and has already been and in the process of being watched on top of a background check where no corners would be cut…

It’s a different ballgame when you are around politicians and the president for a living.

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Looks like RGIII would rather be a NFL QB rather than a black NFL QB…

Imagine that, someone who wants to be judged on his ability & actions and not defined by his skin color. Nope, that can’t happen in America, that would undermine too much bullshit.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
How is this news? This isn’t even out of line. More like out of date. The announcer likely grew up in the 70’s. I can understand why he thinks like that and also why many younger wouldn’t today. I wouldn’t exactly call this “offensive” except to other black people who may be perceived as “sell outs” by people from similar backgrounds.

I am sure some might say that about me if they didn’t jump to conclusions based on my appearance first.

I am not sure why this is news.
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X I am surprised that you don’t find this offensive. I feel it marginalizes and pigeonholes what it is to be a Black person in America, or as he put it “down with the cause.” Thomas is simply implying what many other racist and prejudiced people perceive a Black person to be about. He’s not Black because he may be a republican? Greg Anthony is a republican I don’t see Thomas questioning his blackness. Charles Barkley married a White Woman, that makes him a “cornball brother?” Its almost as if this guy is saying your not a real brother unless you uphold certain racial stereotypes that what seems to me as part of a plight that Black people on a whole have fought to get away from such notions.[/quote]

Did I miss something or did Barker ONLY ask a question? He alluded to things that could lead to it but he said I’m wondering. I only saw 2 minute clip but I don’t see anything so offensive. Better to bring it up now then find out later we have another Tiger Woods who comes flat out and say I’m not black.
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I have to agree. I do NOT see what is so offensive. I got told I “talked white” most of the time in school growing up. I am “multicultural” but also consider myself “black”. I actually hate most labels.

I am surprised someone sees this thinking as odd considering our history in this country.

This would only seem odd to you if you tried to act like we did NOT live in a country with an extremely racist and socially effective history.

Yes, I can perfectly understand people of the race that was most downtrodden in recent history pulling together for a common cause.

To not understand this would be to not understand the human condition and show extreme bias.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
How is this news? This isn’t even out of line. More like out of date. The announcer likely grew up in the 70’s. I can understand why he thinks like that and also why many younger wouldn’t today. I wouldn’t exactly call this “offensive” except to other black people who may be perceived as “sell outs” by people from similar backgrounds.

I am sure some might say that about me if they didn’t jump to conclusions based on my appearance first.

I am not sure why this is news.
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X I am surprised that you don’t find this offensive. I feel it marginalizes and pigeonholes what it is to be a Black person in America, or as he put it “down with the cause.” Thomas is simply implying what many other racist and prejudiced people perceive a Black person to be about. He’s not Black because he may be a republican? Greg Anthony is a republican I don’t see Thomas questioning his blackness. Charles Barkley married a White Woman, that makes him a “cornball brother?” Its almost as if this guy is saying your not a real brother unless you uphold certain racial stereotypes that what seems to me as part of a plight that Black people on a whole have fought to get away from such notions.[/quote]

Did I miss something or did Barker ONLY ask a question? He alluded to things that could lead to it but he said I’m wondering. I only saw 2 minute clip but I don’t see anything so offensive. Better to bring it up now then find out later we have another Tiger Woods who comes flat out and say I’m not black.
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He asked a question “is he a brother or is he a cornball brother.” Yes its just a question, but then goes on to say “yes he is black but he is not down with the cause.” describing a cornball brother, if Parker has to pose the question then in his mind he has his doubts of RGIII’s authentic “blackness”

He goes on to state that wearing braids legitimizes your self as a “brother” and not of the cornball ilk.

Now he didnt say it, but Im willing to go out on a limb and infer that a cornball brother means a “white, black guy” which is all kinds of wrong, but judging from his questioning of his political lines and engagement to a white woman is what I have to surmise.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

Reminds me of the race-hustlers that didn’t want Col. Allen West in the Congressional Black Caucus because he is a Republican.[/quote]

He’s also real dumb though. That could be a factor.[/quote]

Yeah, remember that time when West was concerned that the island of Guam was going to tip over and capsize?

Oh, wait, that’s Congressman Hank Johnson (D-GA), senior member of the Black Caucus.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Yes, I can perfectly understand people of the race that was most downtrodden in recent history pulling together for a common cause.
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I don’t think people take exception to this. But that isn’t what is happening here.

What was said to you on a school yard, isn’t the same thing as “attacking” (can’t be bothered to think of a better word) the wishes of RGIII to not be labled based on his skin tone, on nation television.

In the school yard it is what it is. On national TV it is sending the message that “if your skin is black you need to act a certain way”. Which, in and of itself, is dumb.

When they said “talking white” were they refering to vocab or vernacular pronunciation?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I have to agree. I do NOT see what is so offensive. [/quote]

I don’t think anyone is offended. It just shows how conservative blacks are treated like shit.

Here’s the formula:

Condalesa Rice, brilliant diplomat, Stanford grad = ignorant slut

Sheila Jackson Lee, thief, liar, and moron = savior of the black people

Col. Allen West, war hero = Uncle Tom, moron

Jessie Jackson Junior, drug-addled thief who doesn’t show up for work = savior of black people

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Yes, I can perfectly understand people of the race that was most downtrodden in recent history [/quote]

Yeah, being put in ovens and having over 50% of your entire people murdered sucks.

Oh, wait. That’s not blacks.

That’s Jews and they actually do fine when all the colleges have reverse-affirmative-action to make it harder for them to get into top schools.

Seriously, go play the victim card elsewhere.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am not sure why this is news.
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X I am surprised that you don’t find this offensive. I feel it marginalizes and pigeonholes what it is to be a Black person in America, or as he put it “down with the cause.” Thomas is simply implying what many other racist and prejudiced people perceive a Black person to be about. He’s not Black because he may be a republican? Greg Anthony is a republican I don’t see Thomas questioning his blackness. Charles Barkley married a White Woman, that makes him a “cornball brother?” Its almost as if this guy is saying your not a real brother unless you uphold certain racial stereotypes that what seems to me as part of a plight that Black people on a whole have fought to get away from such notions.[/quote]

Did I miss something or did Barker ONLY ask a question? He alluded to things that could lead to it but he said I’m wondering. I only saw 2 minute clip but I don’t see anything so offensive. Better to bring it up now then find out later we have another Tiger Woods who comes flat out and say I’m not black.
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I have to agree. I do NOT see what is so offensive. I got told I “talked white” most of the time in school growing up. I am “multicultural” but also consider myself “black”. I actually hate most labels.

I am surprised someone sees this thinking as odd considering our history in this country.

This would only seem odd to you if you tried to act like we did NOT live in a country with an extremely racist and socially effective history.

Yes, I can perfectly understand people of the race that was most downtrodden in recent history pulling together for a common cause.

To not understand this would be to not understand the human condition and show extreme bias.[/quote]

If I was black and someone told me I talked white, would I be surprised, hell no, but it would bother me. In an obvious different way people are surprised that I am Jewish, and I get well you don’t look Jewish, and it upsets me to no end…do I understand and expect it, yes it has everything to do with the society we live in, am I offended, yes.

I totally understand a race or any group of people that had a history of struggle rallying around each other and a cause to uplift said group. I cannot help but believe that Thomas’ comments undermine the rallying around ones race by excluding certain black people based on arbitrary aspects of an individuals choices.

Hypothetically if I was considered one of the top 50 say basketball players of my time, I would have no issue being called a great Jewish basketball player, I want it to be known that I am having success in an otherwise barren area for Jewish athletes.

While Black NFL QBs are extremely common place now it was not too long ago when all there was Doug Williams.

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[quote]MattyXL wrote:

In an obvious different way people are surprised that I am Jewish[/quote]

We almost have a minyan on T-Nation. The Indian guy needs to hurry up and convert.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

Reminds me of the race-hustlers that didn’t want Col. Allen West in the Congressional Black Caucus because he is a Republican.[/quote]

He’s also real dumb though. That could be a factor.[/quote]

What makes you say that?[/quote]

What he says and the way he says it. Dumb may be the wrong word, though. Impolitic and fatuous is better.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

In an obvious different way people are surprised that I am Jewish[/quote]

We almost have a minyan on T-Nation. The Indian guy needs to hurry up and convert.[/quote]

Jewish people dominate my industry. I want to go down as the great gentile accountant of all time.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

In an obvious different way people are surprised that I am Jewish[/quote]

We almost have a minyan on T-Nation. The Indian guy needs to hurry up and convert.[/quote]

Jewish people dominate my industry. I want to go down as the great gentile accountant of all time.[/quote]

Lol I think you should change your screen name to that, you got my vote

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

In an obvious different way people are surprised that I am Jewish[/quote]

We almost have a minyan on T-Nation. The Indian guy needs to hurry up and convert.[/quote]

We have almost 10??? wow!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
How is this news? This isn’t even out of line. More like out of date. The announcer likely grew up in the 70’s. I can understand why he thinks like that and also why many younger wouldn’t today. I wouldn’t exactly call this “offensive” except to other black people who may be perceived as “sell outs” by people from similar backgrounds.

I am sure some might say that about me if they didn’t jump to conclusions based on my appearance first.

I am not sure why this is news.
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X I am surprised that you don’t find this offensive. I feel it marginalizes and pigeonholes what it is to be a Black person in America, or as he put it “down with the cause.” Thomas is simply implying what many other racist and prejudiced people perceive a Black person to be about. He’s not Black because he may be a republican? Greg Anthony is a republican I don’t see Thomas questioning his blackness. Charles Barkley married a White Woman, that makes him a “cornball brother?” Its almost as if this guy is saying your not a real brother unless you uphold certain racial stereotypes that what seems to me as part of a plight that Black people on a whole have fought to get away from such notions.[/quote]

Did I miss something or did Barker ONLY ask a question? He alluded to things that could lead to it but he said I’m wondering. I only saw 2 minute clip but I don’t see anything so offensive. Better to bring it up now then find out later we have another Tiger Woods who comes flat out and say I’m not black.
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I have to agree. I do NOT see what is so offensive. I got told I “talked white” most of the time in school growing up. I am “multicultural” but also consider myself “black”. I actually hate most labels.

I am surprised someone sees this thinking as odd considering our history in this country.

This would only seem odd to you if you tried to act like we did NOT live in a country with an extremely racist and socially effective history.

Yes, I can perfectly understand people of the race that was most downtrodden in recent history pulling together for a common cause.

To not understand this would be to not understand the human condition and show extreme bias.[/quote]

I don’t think it’s about being offended. It’s really about the fact the, at least for me, I was duped into believing that the whole problem with racism is paying attention to the race. That race, or skin color should not factor in, at all, with regards to a person. In other words, any conversation outside of physical appearance, race should not be consideration in anyway.
But apparently some, like the ijit in the article, consider race to be a driving factor in how one should live and act in their life. And that one ‘owes’ it to their race to behave and believe a certain way or they have betrayed their race.
I just think it’s dumb. Are we going to get over racism, or are we going to perpetuate it?

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[quote]pat wrote:
I don’t think it’s about being offended. It’s really about the fact the, at least for me, I was duped into believing that the whole problem with racism is paying attention to the race. That race, or skin color should not factor in, at all, with regards to a person. In other words, any conversation outside of physical appearance, race should not be consideration in anyway.
But apparently some, like the ijit in the article, consider race to be a driving factor in how one should live and act in their life. And that one ‘owes’ it to their race to behave and believe a certain way or they have betrayed their race.
I just think it’s dumb. Are we going to get over racism, or are we going to perpetuate it? [/quote]

This perspective makes little sense. It implies that anyone is somehow able to escape being labeled by skin color today. While it is no longer as MUCH of an issue, you can see by the many posts here that I am still often seen as a “BLACK man” posting and not a man who happens to be a minority of some sort. Someone like that can not possibly walk around pretending that race doesn’t matter at all. It clearly does.

His comment was about whether one specific person acknowledged his “heritage” and acts in a historically socially “acceptable” way in the black community.

Your problem is you see this as wrong.

It can’t possibly be wrong. It could only be wrong if there has been no reason for those emotions in the first place.

In other words, while I also acknowledge this as “out of date thinking” the very fact that a large percentage of the population still lives who actually remember WHITE ONLY water fountains means you can’t expect for this to not exist or see it as wrong.

Your statement about “paying attention to race” makes no sense. It isn’t like I walk into a mall and no one notices I’m black.

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Could it be more a factor that RG3’s success and his affiliation with being “Black” is murky at best ?

I mean, we are tribal people. We like to align ourselves with people who are successful.

Think about back when we were all back in school, we liked being on the winning team, or being on the same team as the star athlete.

I don’t follow the NFL much, but I just took a look at RG3’s stats, and he is doing quite well. It seems that those who value his success, also want him to be “Black enough to be down with the cause.”

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Could it be more a factor that RG3’s success and his affiliation with being “Black” is murky at best ?

I mean, we are tribal people. We like to align ourselves with people who are successful.

Think about back when we were all back in school, we liked being on the winning team, or being on the same team as the star athlete.

I don’t follow the NFL much, but I just took a look at RG3’s stats, and he is doing quite well. It seems that those who value his success, also want him to be “Black enough to be down with the cause.” [/quote]

Exactly…and that is about as “wrong” as watching someone mention how they feel about role model or other person of power.

This is about things that DID happen that affected a shit load of people, many of whom still live today. To act like it didn’t happen or as if none of their concerns are legit is ridiculous…and also just a tad biased.

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[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

Does RGIII get treated like he’s white? If you, a honky ass white boy grew up in a bad neighborhood and dressed a certain way, would you be treated a certain way? I’m sure you would…

But you could just change your clothes and bam, your a honky ass white boy again, and that is how you get treated… You get white privilege whether you admit it or not, it’s a great perk to have and I don’t hate those that get it.

Can RGIII change his skin color and enjoy white privilege? Nope.

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White privilege? LOL. Can a white guy change his skin colour and get preferential admittance to university?

The national guard should be used to infringe conservatives’ first amendment rights? You liberal fascists are fucking hilarious.

So Huma Abedein was targeted because she’s a muslim? Not because her immediate family are members of a terrorist group? And Susan Rice was rejected because she’s a black woman? Not because of her deliberate deception over the Benghazi attack? You’re an idiot.[/quote]

As for Huma Abedein, it’s blatant racism if you know anything about her, or her life, who she’s married to.[/quote]

You are seriously stupid. Like, there must be something wrong in your head. Islam isn’t a race - it’s a religion.

CS