Do you really want your health care managed by people who think it’s “un-american” to criticize them?
[quote]hedo wrote:
Do you really want your health care managed by people who think it’s “un-american” to criticize them?[/quote]
I think that OPâ??s meeting was out of control because the lady did not address all the issues that were not appropriate. I mean they were having a meeting about Insurance and some of the topics were â?? Danny Glover is your spokes man , and he was shaking hands with Hugo Chavez â?? I have to feel that there was no one at the meeting that was not feed the Retardlicans agenda of disrupting . The lady should have listened to each person and tries to answer each of their questions.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Is that what you call it pittbull? How about a lady who could not argue with facts so she tried a scare tactic. A typical response when one knows that they have no legs to stand on. Correct?
And also as you stated pittbull, if she cannot run her Townhall meeting properly, how in the freaking hell do you expect her to run her damn district right?
The left is always full of shitty excuses when it comes to defend themselves. Please stop making excuses when you know your wrong, at least have some integrity. [/quote]
The lady, to my knowledge was an ARRP employee, probably making minimum wage, not some one trained in dealing with a hostile situation. I and sure some one will correct me if I am wrong
[quote]hedo wrote:
Do you really want your health care managed by people who think it’s “un-american” to criticize them?[/quote]
They didn’t say it was un-american to criticize, they said drowning out opposing viewpoints is un-american.
On top of the fact that I don’t like the term “Un-American” as used in any context, and I am very dissapointed (but not surprised) that they would use the term. Personally, I like people yelling at politicians no matter what party they belong to.
Also, I believe that the drowning out of opposing viewpoints is the lynchpin of American politics. Not quite sure what politics aren’t.
That being said, the team that does the better PR job will win on convincing the sheep that are
the people which way to go. Right now the GOP is doing a better job.
I hope they can do the same thing when the current system remains unchanged because of their efforts and bankrupts the country.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
On top of the fact that I don’t like the term “Un-American” as used in any context, and I am very dissapointed (but not surprised) that they would use the term.
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I agree, that kind of pissed me off because of how many times Bush pulled shit like that. I understand the spin they used on it, but still, they could have called it something else.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I hope they can do the same thing when the current system remains unchanged because of their efforts and bankrupts the country.[/quote]
I agree with your point about the PR.
However this has always confused the hell out of me. You say healthcare costs are rising about 20% a year in another thread (where you got that figure I don’t know, but has got to be false), and that leaving the system unchanged will bankrupt this country. Then on the other hand you seem to think that adopting this Bill into law and paying out another TRILLION+ dollars that we already DON’T have will not bankrupt this country. There is no–absolutely zero–way that healthcare costs will take that much out of our budget faster than the proposed spending.
That’s not physically possible. What you are propounding is a much faster road to national bankruptcy than the current healthcare situation. That is not to say I don’t think HC needs to be fixed (it does), but this isn’t the way to do it.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
However this has always confused the hell out of me. You say healthcare costs are rising about 20% a year in another thread (where you got that figure I don’t know, but has got to be false), and that leaving the system unchanged will bankrupt this country.
Then on the other hand you seem to think that adopting this Bill into law and paying out another TRILLION+ dollars that we already DON’T have will not bankrupt this country. There is no–absolutely zero–way that healthcare costs will take that much out of our budget faster than the proposed spending.
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Let me explain this- in NJ, health care costs for municipalities have rose 18 percent a year, sometimes a little more. This, combined with fuel costs that had far exceeded what they had budgeted for, has led to successively large property tax increases in this state. People are paying 10 g’s a year easy here- some are paying far more.
The Fed can print more money, and then take steps to try and hedge against inflation. I don’t like the idea, of course, but there is no control over how much health care rates can rise. Potentially, it could cost more. Maybe not faster- but in the long run, it could end up being more. I’m no authority on this, so I don’t pretend to know what I don’t know- but I know taxes are driven up by healthcare, and that won’t stop. This affects everyone in the country, directly.
A hostile situation pittbull really, how about when two black panthers where outside a voting station intimidating voters. That is a hostile situation or how about when aciu nuts attack a black conservative for expressing his 1st Amendment right.
Also you may be right as in she may an AARP employee. But is that really how you handle a MOB of elderly American Citizens? By acting childish and cutting of the mike and stating that this meeting is over. Wow way to go, someone who beliefs in there values will defend them to their death.
Once again your screen name does not fit you. I just do not understand how you logically follow this political BS. It is one thing to be lied once but damn Nobama is making it an everyday thing and Congress is doing all his bidding.
The main reason healthcare is so expensive is because of the policy mandates that fed and state govts put on them.
Let insurance companies write whatever policies they want, to whoever they want, in any and all states they want to is the answer. It opens up competition, drives down costs, and gives the public unlimited choice.
For those who don’t know or don’t care to know, this ^ is something insurance companies cannot currently do thanks to govt intervention. Now you know.
I should be able to buy a policy that covers anything I want, and nothing that I don’t, from any carrier I choose. Explain to me why the govt wont let me have that option?
[quote]jre67t wrote:
A hostile situation pittbull really, how about when two black panthers where outside a voting station intimidating voters. That is a hostile situation or how about when aciu nuts attack a black conservative for expressing his 1st Amendment right.
Also you may be right as in she may an AARP employee. But is that really how you handle a MOB of elderly American Citizens? By acting childish and cutting of the mike and stating that this meeting is over. Wow way to go, someone who beliefs in there values will defend them to their death.
Once again your screen name does not fit you. I just do not understand how you logically follow this political BS. It is one thing to be lied once but damn Nobama is making it an everyday thing and Congress is doing all his bidding. [/quote]
How the conservation turned towards two Black Panthers, I will never know.
If you read my post I said, she did not handle it very well; I do not know what else to say
As far as my screen name not fitting my personality, I wish this conversation was in person, and then I would beat your measly ass:)
Why isn’t health care a non-profit entity? I mean, I am all for capitalism, but come on, people’s health? YOu have to draw a line somewhere no?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Why isn’t health care a non-profit entity? I mean, I am all for capitalism, but come on, people’s health? YOu have to draw a line somewhere no?
By that line of thinking the government should be providing all of our food, clothing and housing. After all even those needs are more essential than health care.[/quote]
Make no mistake they will try to push for all of those if health care passes and thats a big IF.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
Why isn’t health care a non-profit entity? I mean, I am all for capitalism, but come on, people’s health? YOu have to draw a line somewhere no?
By that line of thinking the government should be providing all of our food, clothing and housing. After all even those needs are more essential than health care.[/quote]
Non-profit does not equal “government.”
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Why isn’t health care a non-profit entity? I mean, I am all for capitalism, but come on, people’s health? YOu have to draw a line somewhere no?[/quote]
Some aspects are, but a great deal of medical advancement is generated through competition for patents, as an example, and the profit motive serves us quite well in this regard.
This isn’t to suggest the arrangement is perfect - but we need to be careful while reforming not to slay the Golden Goose.
I guess I shouldn’t be shocked if someone tries to charge me for breathing the shitty air around here, after all that is more essential than food, clothing, and housing. I think at some point you have to draw a line.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I guess I shouldn’t be shocked if someone tries to charge me for breathing the shitty air around here, after all that is more essential than food, clothing, and housing. I think at some point you have to draw a line. [/quote]
The profit motive in the healthcare industry is a huge reason why modern medicine has advanced so much. While the industry has and continues to benefit from basic research perofrmed with taxpayer money, a huge amount of private capital has been invested to come up with new drugs, medical devices, etc.
It currently costs around one billion dollars to develop a new drug. Who is going to pay for that if the system is none profit. Think about all the startup biotech and pharma companies, none of them will be around. It will be impossible for them to raise any capital.