[quote]doogie wrote:
chadman wrote:
It would be a bit more exciting if W. or Cheney had gotten a blow job in the Oval Office, but to think it’s not news is ridiculous.
Surely you meant to say, “It would be more exciting if the President or Vice-President committed perjury”, right?
Even if this fades away, W., Cheney, Frist, DeLay, et al are doing plenty of other crap to make people think again about voting Republican in the near future.
People don’t pay attention to things like this. If the did, Clinton would have made sure no Democrat was ever elected again.
The A To Z Of Clinton Scandals
...It's The Alphabet Of Ethics -- Stupid!
Whitewatergate, travelgate, cattlegate and now
Indonesiagate...there seem to be more gates in the Clinton
White House than on the barns of America.
So just in case you've lost track of the scandals that have
hit this current White House the Post's DEBORAH ORIN and
THOMAS GALVIN have pieced together your cut-out-and-keep
guide A to Z of Clinton scandals.....
A is for Arkansas, where Bill Clinton got his political
start, where Hillary Rodham Clinton worked at the Rose Law
Firm, and where Whitewater began as a land deal between the
Clintons and Jim and Susan McDougal.
B is for Billing-gate, Hillary Clinton's missing law-billing
records. Those records -- which raise questions about Mrs.
Clinton's role in the Castle Grande deal -- were subpoenaed
in 1994. They were missing until early 1996, when they
turned up in a White House room next to her office. She says
she doesn't know how they got there.
C is for Cattlegate, Hillary Clinton's mysterious ability to
turn a $1,000 investment into a $100,000 profit on cattle
futures, a feat experts say was virtually impossible in
normal trading. C is also for Castle Grande, a real-estate
scheme that federal regulators say was a sham. A federal
inspector general's report found Hillary Clinton drew up the
legal papers that were used to improperly funnel hundreds of
thousands of dollars to Seth Ward, father-in-law of her
ex-law partner Webster Hubbell.
D is for Billy Dale, the career head of the White House
Travel Office, who was fired, along with six other career
staffers, to make way for Clinton cronies in Travelgate. The
White House then brought in the FBI to justify the firing,
and Dale was hit with criminal charges that wrecked his life
for two years. A jury cleared him in just two hours.
E is for Mike Espy, the former agriculture secretary who was
forced out over charges that he got gifts and favors from
Arkansas-based Tyson foods, whose owners were longtime
Clinton backers. A special counsel has brought several
indictments, though not against Espy.
F is for Filegate, the improper White House rummaging
through 900 FBI files on Republican officials in the Bush
and Reagan administrations. The White House says it was an
innocent snafu. Republicans suspect an enemies list.
Whitewater independent counsel Ken Starr and several
congressional committees are probing.
G is for Golfgate, ex-White House aide David Watkins'
improper use of presidential helicopters for a personal golf
outing. He was forced to resign. In the 1992 presidential
campaign, Clinton aides tried to use taxpayer funds to help
settle a sexual harassment case filed by a fellow campaign
worker against Watkins.
H is for Hillary Clinton, whose role has been questioned in
Filegate, Travelgate, Billing-gate, Whitewater and Castle
Grande. She denies any wrongdoing. H is also for Hubbell, in
jail after pleading guilty to bilking law clients on charges
brought by Whitewater independent counsel Starr. Hubbell was
previously the associate attorney general, the No. 3 Justice
Department office.
I is for Indonesiagate, featuring the Lippo group, a firm
with long-standing ties to Bill Clinton, Clinton cronies and
Arkansas. Republicans want to know why an Indonesian couple
-- of apparently modest means -- with ties to Lippo gave
$452,000 to the Democratic National Committee and what the
firm may have gotten in return. Lippo also hired Hubbell, at
a reported fee of $250,000, for the five months between when
he left the White House and went to jail
J is for Paula Jones, who accuses President Clinton of
sexual harassment, saying he dropped his pants and asked for
oral sex in an Arkansas hotel room while he was governor and
she was a state employee. The U.S. Supreme Court will rule
this fall on whether her case must wait until after Clinton
leaves office, as he demands.
K is William Kennedy, another ex-Hillary Clinton law partner
who became a White House lawyer and was forced to resign
after concealing his failure to pay nanny taxes. He was
reprimanded for his role in Travelgate.
L is for Craig Livingstone, the ex-bar bouncer with a
history of drug use who was head of White House security.
Two FBI agents say it was Hillary Clinton who demanded his
hiring, which she denies. Disgraced Clinton political guru
Dick Morris' hooker pal, Sherry Rowlands, claims Morris told
her a "paranoid" Hillary Clinton was behind Filegate. He
says he only told her that's what polls show.
M is for Jim and Susan McDougal, the Clintons' Whitewater
partners, both of whom have been convicted of fraud. Jim
McDougal is said to be helping Whitewater independent
counsel Starr. Susan McDougal is in jail for refusing to say
whether President Clinton lied when he denied knowing about
an illegal $300,000 loan to bail out Whitewater. The loan
wasn't repaid, and taxpayers were left holding the bag. M
also is for disgraced Clinton political guru Dick Morris.
N is for Bernard Nussbaum, the former White House lawyer who
barred federal investigators from searching Vince Foster's
office after Foster's death. Nussbaum also withheld Foster's
diary on Travelgate problems from federal probers for more
than a year. Nussbaum was forced to resign for botching
damage-control efforts.
O is for Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary, the frequent flier
who drew up an enemies' list of reporters, hired an image
consultant at taxpayer expense, and has run up huge tabs on
overseas trips.
P is for pardons, which President Clinton has refused to
rule out for individuals like Susan McDougal who potentially
could provide evidence against him. P is also for White
House Chief of Staff Leon Panetta, expected to leave in a
second Clinton term -- with the prospect that his deputy,
Harold Ickes, could replace him. Senate Republicans want
perjury charges brought against Ickes for his answers on
Whitewater damage control.
Q is for all the questions -- unanswered -- on Whitewater,
Filegate, Travelgate, Cattlegate and Billing-gate.
R is for Sherry Rowlands, the $200-an hour hooker who
revealed her ongoing affair with Clinton political guru Dick
Morris, the author of Clinton's family-values strategy,
forcing Morris to resign. R also is for Rose Law Firm, where
Hillary Clinton, Vince Foster, Webster Hubbell and William
Kennedy were partners, as was Joseph Giroir, a key figure in
the Lippo group.
S is for Kenneth Starr, the Whitewater independent counsel
probing Filegate, Travelgate and Vince Foster's death. He
has won 15 convictions or guilty pleas, including both
McDougals and former Arkansas Gov. Jim Guy Tucker, who was
forced to resign. Starr says his probes are active and
ongoing, and there is widespread speculation he will have
more indictments after the election, possibly including one
of Hillary Clinton.
T is for Travelgate, the Clintons' firing of career travel
staffers like Billy Dale to make way for Clinton cronies.
White House memos say Hillary Clinton was behind the firings
-- she denies it -- and that she was spurred on by Clinton
Hollywood pal Harry Thomason, who was seeking a piece of the
lucrative White House charter business.
U is for undue influence and the question of whether that is
what Lippo was seeking through megabucks contributions to
Democrats. Lippo has close ties to Indonesia's brutal
dictatorship, responsible for near-genocide in East Timor,
which it occupied two decades ago.
V is for Vince Foster, the former Hillary Clinton law
partner who became a White House lawyer and was found dead,
an apparent suicide with a gunshot wound to the head. He
apparently was a central figure in Travelgate and Filegate
and handled Whitewater matters for the Clintons. Starr is
examining his death and has yet to confirm former prober Bob
Fiske's conclusion that it was a suicide in the park where
Foster was found.
W is for Whitewater, the Arkansas land deal that started it
all, with questions about whether the Clintons improperly
benefited from funds from Jim McDougal's Madison Guarantee
savings-and-loan, which went belly up, costing taxpayers an
estimated $60 million.
X is for the Xeroxed copy of Hillary Clinton's law billing
records that were found in the White House book room, two
years after they were first sought. The pages had Mrs.
Clinton's fingerprints around the section on Castle Grande
-- there were red ink notations in the late Vince Foster's
handwriting.
Y is for the young White House aides who were hired by the
Clinton administration despite FBI background checks that
found "recent" use of hard drugs like cocaine, crack and
hallucinogens.
Z is for zero -- the amount of money the Clintons had at
risk in Whitewater, even though they were equal partners
with the McDougals. -- By Deborah Orin and Thomas Galvin
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If the right really wants to stay in office, better hope Bush doesn’t get an anti-abortion justice on the Supreme Court. If Roe v. Wade were to be overturned I think the Right would awake a sleeping giant. Many right of center won’t admit it, but they want their daughter to be able to terminate a pregnancy if some pimply faced pinky commie knocks her up. I’ve know many people who personally said they would NEVER get an abortion, until they got knocked up at a bad time or by the wrong guy.
That was one of the dumbest paragraphs ever written on this site. If Rowe v. Wade was overturned, it would become a state by state issue. If most people wanted abortion to be legal, then it would remain legal. No harm, no foul. If most people don’t want abortion to be legal, then Bush would have appointed someone who spoke for the people.
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Doogie,
Excellent tour through Clinton history. I still think a blowjob in the White House would make things more interesting. Did I ever say Clinton or his cronies were saints? Hell no. If you’ve read some of my other posts, I didn’t even vote for the guy for his second term. Without ANY scandals, I would still think that W., Cheney et al were arrogant assholes who will do whatever it takes to push their agenda of corporate greed, environmental abuse and cowboy diplomacy.
Regarding your opinion of my thoughts on Roe v. Wade. Fuck you. So what if it’s a state by state issue? Do you think the Christian movement is going to be happy just having Roe v. Wade overturned, or do you think they will try to, state by state, get abortion made illegal. You made my point exactly you dildo. Most people do want abortion kept legal, and getting them out to the polls in a state by state basis to defend that right will also mean more votes for the democrats who support that right. Much like the anti-gay marriage issues on so many state ballots in the past election helped to mobilize the Republican base.
Don’t be such a myopic arrogant shithead.