[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am not looking forward to:[/quote]
Lol, this is true brilliance.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
tom63 wrote:
It was a dumb idea back in the day and it still is. BTW, I was an original dog pound member.
I would much prefer an ignore feature than some elite type of board. [/quote]
There is an ignore feature. You just have to go to the person’s profile.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
All that and you still forgot “I don’t wanna be huge”
Yeah there doesn’t need to be 800 new forums. Maybe it’s just me, but I always viewed “bodybuilding” itself to be hardcore. I thought casual bodybuilding was an oxymoron which is why I thought keeping the bodybuilding forum for serious physique pursuits and creating something new for everybody else would work, but whatever keeps decent focus would be good.[/quote]
No, it’s sad that this needs to be stated. Like written before, no one is running to the Strength Sports forum and calling them stupid for wanting to be powerlifters…yet we get this shit all of the time in a forum boldly labeled “bodybuilding”.
People should be flamed for that. They should be told to get the hell out.
Posts about rockclimbing would fit better in strength sports yet no one is overcrowding that area with useless posts.
If it is as simple as moving the strength forum to the top of the page, then let’s do that.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
<<< If you can’t find the good info in a post here or an article here, I would doubt you’d apply anything if it was put right in front of your nose.[/quote]
I read your whole post and it commands respect, but still misses the point in my opinion. At least from the user end. The bodybuilding forum is like that old school gym you mention except it’s virtual nature makes it so that the guys who used to leave now don’t.
The fact that they are in the vast majority creates an atmosphere loosely analogous to how it would’ve been if all the guys who used to find something else to do just milled around your old time gym making random assertions to EVERYBODY because they could. Some may even have serious athletic pusuits, but still don’t belong in your gym.
All some of us are saying is that if there were separate places for these people everybody would get along better. What if most of the less serious in your old time gym decided they would stick around… forever, and just occupy space while arguing with the committed members about how stupid their goals were and even if they weren’t stupid they’re doing it wrong anyway.
On top of this they believe all sorts of other neato stuff is more interesting and if you were as informed as them you’d see that all of it really does fit in with your gym because they no how to define what you do better than you do
However they still pay their fees so it doesn’t make business sense to just boot em out? Sooner or later the original members would ask the owners to figure out a way to get these folks outta their hair. Of course this isn’t a gym and anybody who’s progress depends on what happens at a website has other issues, but this is what this is about.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
tom63 wrote:
<<< If you can’t find the good info in a post here or an article here, I would doubt you’d apply anything if it was put right in front of your nose.
I read your whole post and it commands respect, but still misses the point in my opinion. At least from the user end. The bodybuilding forum is like that old school gym you mention except it’s virtual nature makes it so that the guys who used to leave now don’t. The fact that they are in the vast majority creates an atmosphere loosely analogous to how it would’ve been if all the guys who used to find something else to do just milled around your old time gym making random assertions to EVERYBODY because they could. Some may even have serious athletic pusuits, but still don’t belong in your gym.
All some of us are saying is that if there were separate places for these people everybody would get along better. What if most of the less serious in your old time gym decided they would stick around… forever, and just occupy space while arguing with the committed members about how stupid their goals were and even if they weren’t stupid they’re doing it wrong anyway. On top of this they believe all sorts of other neato stuff is more interesting and if you were as informed as them you’d see that all of it really does fit in with your gym because they no how to define what you do better than you do
However they still pay their fees so it doesn’t make business sense to just boot em out? Sooner or later the original members would ask the owners to figure out a way to get these folks outta their hair. Of course this isn’t a gym and anybody who’s progress depends on what happens at a website has other issues, but this is what this is about.[/quote]
True, but I don’t really like the elitist way of a separate forum. I can get what I want out of this site without it. I also have access to “elite guys”, like Louie, Dave, Cressey etc. through professional relationships.
So I guess part of my point is if you’re elite, you don’t need it. If you aren’t you wouldn’t fit in. So why start a cool kids forum?
And what point would it benefit, and who would it benefit. If you’re good and have your crap together how would it help you?
If you’re not, how would it help? All I see it doing is being divisive and not good for the forum. This is the reason I listed my resume. I don’t want it to seem that I’m not in favor because I might not "make it " in. I just don’t see the point and how it will improve stuff.
The problems with a forum is the reason why Dave Tate decided against a forum. It wouldn’t improve his business and it would be a headache. T-Nation benefits business wise from one, mainly do to exposure to their products. It draws in business.
I don’t see how it would help them. All I see are headaches and more work, without increasing the bottom line. If any serious lifters stop posting, more will come back and so on. Any consumer of their products won’t stop buying because of forum frustrations.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
All that and you still forgot “I don’t wanna be huge”
Yeah there doesn’t need to be 800 new forums. Maybe it’s just me, but I always viewed “bodybuilding” itself to be hardcore. I thought casual bodybuilding was an oxymoron which is why I thought keeping the bodybuilding forum for serious physique pursuits and creating something new for everybody else would work, but whatever keeps decent focus would be good.
No, it’s sad that this needs to be stated. Like written before, no one is running to the Strength Sports forum and calling them stupid for wanting to be powerlifters…yet we get this shit all of the time in a forum boldly labeled “bodybuilding”.
People should be flamed for that. They should be told to get the hell out.
Posts about rockclimbing would fit better in strength sports yet no one is overcrowding that area with useless posts.
If it is as simple as moving the strength forum to the top of the page, then let’s do that.[/quote]
Man, I just went into the bodybuilding forum… .holy hell, you poor bastards deserve your own forum for putting up with that.
One guy said “nutrition isn’t important” and the other guy said that compared blacks and white to wookies and some other shit. My eyes started bleeding so I left.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I don’t see how it would help them. All I see are headaches and more work, without increasing the bottom line. If any serious lifters stop posting, more will come back and so on. Any consumer of their products won’t stop buying because of forum frustrations.
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I wouldn’t be so quick to make such generalized statements like that.
I know for a fact you are not speaking for me.
Who is saying anything about elite? That is a term those of you who dislike the idea of keeping the trash out of the BBing forum have come up with.
If you are happy with the way things are - that’s your right, but please stop creating names to call those who are not.
Someone tell me when “elite” became the description for those who merely want to talk about BBing without having a bunch a damn kayakers/fashion models hijacking the thread.
I thought about this a lot before starting the other thread and the more I think about it again in light of what I’m seeing here, the more I’m favoring a new forum for everybody else again.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I thought about this a lot before starting the other thread and the more I think about it again in light of what I’m seeing here, the more I’m favoring a new forum for everybody else again.[/quote]
Instead of you rehashing what’s already been talked about in that forum, post a link, so the powers that be can see that discussion and add that to whats been going on here…by the way, catch this weeks BSG?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
One guy said “nutrition isn’t important” and the other guy said that compared blacks and white to wookies and some other shit. My eyes started bleeding so I left.
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Welcome to our home. I make sure to take Ibuprofen before logging on to T-Nation.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am not looking forward to:
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Extended…
-Bodybuilding
-I Like to Bust on Bodybuilding
-Don’t Want to Work Too Hard
-Ping Pong players
-Rock climbers who hate too much strength
-Boy Band wannabes
-MMA/I just watched this on tv
-People Who Actually Know How to Fight (currently 3 members)
-Article Discussions
-Beginners
-I’m Going to Work Out for A Week Then Give Up Because I Haven’t Seen Any Progress Yet
-Power Walkers
-Mall Walkers
-The Over 35 Lifter
-I Like to Annoy Other People in the Gym
-Physique and Performance Photos
-Supplements and Nutrition
-I Spent $10,000 on Supplements and I’m Still Pathetic
-Starving models
-Homosexuality
-Bowling
-Popped Collar Warriors
-Speed swimming
-People who simply like being obese
-Strength Sports
-People Who are Strong and can Prove it (currently 7 members)
-Muscle Sorority
-Hardly any Muscle is what I want Sorority
-Powerful Women
-Women that Hate Powerful Women
-Steroids
-Steroid Hating
-Get a Life (Off Topic)
-General sports performance for those who don’t play sports
-Sex and the Male Animal
-Mastubation
-Politics and World Issues
-I Know More than You
-Random functionality with no specific function
-Authors’ Locker Room
-Sycophant’s Locker Room
-Shugart’s Hammer
-T-Gallery
-Non-Threatening, No Muscle Gallery
-T-Nation Tech Support
I want to be in it, just to see how long it takes for me to get kicked out
Aye to Dog Pound.
I vote yes.
This sounds like a good idea to me as well.
However it may come back and bite us in the ass as what has happened in the steroid forum. A while back there was a thread made and it was asked that “source info” not be allowed to be made in posts.
Now company info from places that legally produce AAS, names of UG labs and names of companies that sell research chems and different supplies are dissalowed as well. All of which was not the intention of the members that wanted things changed.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
tom63 wrote:
I don’t see how it would help them. All I see are headaches and more work, without increasing the bottom line. If any serious lifters stop posting, more will come back and so on. Any consumer of their products won’t stop buying because of forum frustrations.
I wouldn’t be so quick to make such generalized statements like that.
I know for a fact you are not speaking for me.
Who is saying anything about elite? That is a term those of you who dislike the idea of keeping the trash out of the BBing forum have come up with.
If you are happy with the way things are - that’s your right, but please stop creating names to call those who are not.
Someone tell me when “elite” became the description for those who merely want to talk about BBing without having a bunch a damn kayakers/fashion models hijacking the thread.
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The original dog Pound had to do with more accomplished lifters, people with special qualifications, and posters who had shown better forum contributions, good questions, etc. This would be elite IMO. People who had better qualifications than others.
6 years ago, to get in you had to request admittance and had to be approved. they did use a type of criteria, and not being a total tool wasn’t part of the criteria. It was having more to offer in one way or another.
Stricter oversight and moderation is the key. I belong to a college football forum were name calling and vulgar language is not allowed, and it’s enforced. It really wouldn’t be to hard to clean up a problem forum.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
The original dog Pound had to do with more accomplished lifters, people with special qualifications, and posters who had shown better forum contributions, good questions, etc. This would be elite IMO. People who had better qualifications than others.
6 years ago, to get in you had to request admittance and had to be approved. they did use a type of criteria, and not being a total tool wasn’t part of the criteria. It was having more to offer in one way or another.
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Like I said earlier - the old dog pound was an elite forum on a hardcore site. Now it is a general fitness site. I’m pretty sure all that is wanted now is to keep the anti bber’s out of the bbing forum, and to clean up all the incessant bullshit threads.
Can this be handled via stricter modding? Perhaps. But which is less labor intensive - since this is all about the bottom line - setting a few simple requirements, or constantly monitoring the forum?
I guess that is a question for TC and the guys/gals to answer.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Stricter oversight and moderation is the key. I belong to a college football forum were name calling and vulgar language is not allowed, and it’s enforced. It really wouldn’t be to hard to clean up a problem forum.
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Unless the site has a million members, and not supported by advertising.
You were the one that said it is all about the bottom line, more oversight, and more moderation is not free. Plus, since the problem seems to be concentrated to one forum - it would not make very much sense to have the mods concentrate more time on one forum than the others. That would drag down the quality of the entire site - just to improve one forum.
[quote]Qaash wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I thought about this a lot before starting the other thread and the more I think about it again in light of what I’m seeing here, the more I’m favoring a new forum for everybody else again.
Instead of you rehashing what’s already been talked about in that forum, post a link, so the powers that be can see that discussion and add that to whats been going on here…by the way, catch this weeks BSG?[/quote]
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2013882
I didn’t know, but another guy started something similar as well.
Rainjack has captured the gist of my intentions in that thread though I still think T-Nation itself is much more serious than other sites. It’s the forums and mainly the “Bodybuilding” forum that is in social disarray.
It’s not arguing or swearing that’s the primary problem either. Unless you define “Bodybuilding” as damn near anything more than sitting on a couch with a beer, it’s everything except bodybuilding being discussed there including how much people hate big muscles.