As we all know there is a major decrease in recovery rates when going from on cycle to off cycle. Muscles are sore for days, strength starts to drop off.
What I was planning to do was small testosterone injections for a month or two before going back ‘on’. The goal is to add just enough test to my body to help with recovery and hypertrophy without suppressing natural test production.
From what I see in TRT dosage I figure if total additional testosterone is kept under 100mg, it should not have any effect on natural production.
I was thinking 62.5mg every 10 days. (0.25cc of test cyp 250)
Taking into account the half life, it should never accumulate to over 100mg.
On a personal note, I’ve been off for close to 2 months now. Did 3 weeks HCG and arimidex, now on 3rd week of Nolvadex. Will be running nolva for 1-3 more weeks. I would like to add the test back in as soon as reasonably possible.
And when determining time off between cycles, I know the rule of equal time on to equal time off. But when do you start counting time off? End of PCT?
[quote]Yogi wrote:
what’s the point in the PCT if you’re just going straight back on?[/quote]
I ran deca, needed to do a PCT to start things up again. Don’t want to use any high doses or very suppressive gear again. At least not in the near future. Just need that boost, knowwhatimsayin
If it wasnt for deca I would have just Blast and Cruise
[quote]Yogi wrote:
what’s the point in the PCT if you’re just going straight back on?[/quote]
I ran deca, needed to do a PCT to start things up again. Don’t want to use any high doses or very suppressive gear again. At least not in the near future. Just need that boost, knowwhatimsayin
If it wasnt for deca I would have just Blast and Cruise[/quote]
that doesn’t make much sense either. Why go through the deca PCT when you could’ve just B&C to begin with?
In any case, introducing any exogenous hormones during a recovery period is a bad idea. Either be off or on. Don’t just take a tiny amount. It won’t do anything.
any amount of AAS you ingest is going to reduce natural production…
let’s say you normally produce 7 mg/test per day (which i believe is close to average). if you add in 5 mg/test per day, then your body will recognize that, and only produce 2 mg/day to match your 5 mg add-in…
the guys using 100 mg/wk for TRT are replacing testosterone, as in, they don’t produce it or don’t produce very much. 100 mg of test e/cyp is really 70 mg of test (minus the E/cyp ester), so this is basically the max dose (10 mg/day=70 mg/wk) that a grown, healthy man would produce.
[quote]Yogi wrote:
what’s the point in the PCT if you’re just going straight back on?[/quote]
I ran deca, needed to do a PCT to start things up again. Don’t want to use any high doses or very suppressive gear again. At least not in the near future. Just need that boost, knowwhatimsayin
If it wasnt for deca I would have just Blast and Cruise[/quote]
that doesn’t make much sense either. Why go through the deca PCT when you could’ve just B&C to begin with?
In any case, introducing any exogenous hormones during a recovery period is a bad idea. Either be off or on. Don’t just take a tiny amount. It won’t do anything.[/quote]
Going from a deca cycle into a cruise would have been absolutely retarded unless I wanted to be forever shutdown and on TRT. I used deca, with great hesitation, because I was encouraged to by other users. I was told I’d make great gains and “probably” no side effects. I didn’t experience much in regards to side effects, but then again I didn’t make any crazy gains either.
Too many horror stories online of guys that have used deca to ever make me want to use it again or in the near future. I figured PCT after deca to turn everything back online, and then stick with B&C of test only. From my understanding small amounts of test wouldn’t shut you down or suppress natural production much.
Afterall there are guys who never come off test, they simply reduce dose and cut out other compounds and they still produce enough natural test to not be considered shut down.
I’ll dump the low dose test plan if it will infact effect my long term natural production. I’m still making gains being off and haven’t dropped weight at all. I just miss the additional strength and recovery that even a small amount of exogenous test provides.
[quote]TheTaskmaster wrote:
Afterall there are guys who never come off test, they simply reduce dose and cut out other compounds and they still produce enough natural test to not be considered shut down.
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[quote]TheTaskmaster wrote:
Afterall there are guys who never come off test, they simply reduce dose and cut out other compounds and they still produce enough natural test to not be considered shut down.
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um, I don’t think that’s quite correct…[/quote]
Well I’m sure they’re taking HCG or something else to stimulate some level of natural production. But on mild levels of test-only HCG shouldn’t be needed to stimulate natural production.
Not looking to argue here, it was simply an idea since I’m inbetween cycles
im certain you will still be shut down even on that little amount, but give it a shot and report back. You will need to get blood work done which im sure you already know.
[quote]TheTaskmaster wrote:
Afterall there are guys who never come off test, they simply reduce dose and cut out other compounds and they still produce enough natural test to not be considered shut down.
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um, I don’t think that’s quite correct…[/quote]
Well I’m sure they’re taking HCG or something else to stimulate some level of natural production. But on mild levels of test-only HCG shouldn’t be needed to stimulate natural production.
Not looking to argue here, it was simply an idea since I’m inbetween cycles [/quote]
you’re missing the point. If you’re on cycle, say for the sake of arugment you’re running test, tren, mast or whatever, you are shut down. Now, dropping the other compounds and switching to a low dose of test doesn’t mean your test is going to come back online, even if you’re using hcg. You’re still shut down.
People cruising on TRT levels of test between cycles most definitely ARE still shut down. What do you think would happen if they just stopped their cruise injections? They’d need to PCT because they’re shut down.
[quote]TheTaskmaster wrote:
Afterall there are guys who never come off test, they simply reduce dose and cut out other compounds and they still produce enough natural test to not be considered shut down.
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um, I don’t think that’s quite correct…[/quote]
Well I’m sure they’re taking HCG or something else to stimulate some level of natural production. But on mild levels of test-only HCG shouldn’t be needed to stimulate natural production.
Not looking to argue here, it was simply an idea since I’m inbetween cycles [/quote]
i blame some of this on the short cycle theory… people use them to minimize the HPTA suppression. however, a lot of folks think that they won’t get any suppression, which is absolutely wrong. there is legit data out there that shows nearly every AAS will show significant suppression in a week of use…
now, simply lowering the dose won’t convince the body to start producing, unless you’re literally using a dose lower than what you normally produce and long enough that the body recognizes it.
^this is why i don’t like the “stasis taper” much… all it does is prolong recovery. and using something like 20 mg of test a week is such an amazing inconvenience, i don’t see the reason to do it…
Well thanks for the input, I’ll just wait it out until I’m ready to go back on. Sometime this winter.
This is not the kind of stuff you can just go to your doctor and ask. The only information any of us have is what we read online and what others tell us. All the info I got a year ago was from guys at my gym, and the more I read the more I see they are also very mistaken. I was told that 500mg test per week would only mildly suppress my production and not shut it down. And even that I wouldn’t need to do a PCT with such a basic cycle. And to keep nolvadex on hand only if I get gyno LOL
I stopped listening to them long ago, and read daily to inform myself. I just was not aware such a small dose of test would still shut me down.
^to be fair, for a long time, most of this knowledge was simply the individuals experience, or one of the “steroid bibles” published. with the Interwebz, it’s actually amazingly easy for us to look at actual data on androgens, SERMs, AI’s, etc…