Almost as crazy as saying you had nothing to do with the spying on a rival campaign after evidence came out you were in the meeting…
I can link unrelated strawmen together like a moron too. But it doesn’t change facts and those facts are not on your side.
Why are you interrupting a conversation if you have no intention of adding to it ?You want your “gotcha” moment? Are you in middle school?
Pat, you are crazy and getting crazier. I’m pointing out how ludicrous it is you latch on to to relatively inconsequential things while there are huge issues your party and you are ignoring.
(Example: antifa has been here since ~2017. Do you really think they will be as consequential as climate change in 10 years??? So they loot a few Bloomingtons? I think we can absorb that but not a science-denying buffoon)
But you can’t trust facts anymore, too many of them have a right wing bias
I don’t think public transportation is responsible for the riots. I was just trying to show many things like public transportation, tall buildings, high population density, Democratic rule are all correlated to the riots. How is it that Democratic rule is being blamed for the riots and people accept it with no evidence? I was just trying to show how silly this claim is, that is all.
I don’t believe you. I know individuals who were protesting, not rioting after that date.
I don’t understand how you can claim there is no evidence, in several of these cities the mayors have sided with the rioters. You didn’t hear about the “summer of love” in Seattle that resulted in several murders, overdoses, and businesses being looted and burned? The Portland mayor siding with rioters even after they ran him out of the place and poured water on him? Minneapolis city council members openly siding with Antifa?
It seems to me that you are willfully blind to anything that contradicts your pre-conceived ideas on this.
I should have said violence, not rioters. That was sloppy.
We saw more violence when Trump sent the border patrol to stop the protests / riots. How do you reconcile that with the idea that the Democratic rule is causing the violence? We have two things in conflict here, the first supported by facts, and the second an assertion. How do we get around that and stay consistent?
So enforcing laws is bad because some people will attack the cops?
So the claim that is being made is “The violence by rioters is caused by Democratic rule”. I don’t buy it. I think that population demographics and density for example is a far larger contributor.
Can you show that Democratic rule in these cities has lead to violence? I have asked this, and I get a whole bunch of bad evidence that would require jumping to conclusions.
Enforcing the law isn’t always the best idea. In fact police have rules about when not to enforce the law because of danger to the public. High speed chases is an example. Trump sending in the border patrol has proven to cause more violence, and was a bad idea.
That’s not what I claimed, you are changing your story as you go on. Regardless of what actually caused the riots to happen in the first place, they were allowed to continue in some places for months on end because the city and/or state government was not willing to take action to stop it.
But letting Antifa and BLM riot every night for months is OK? More violence in the short term might be worthwhile if it can end the ongoing problems.
Defunding the police was proven to cause more violence in NYC but some people still think it’s a good idea.
Nope. You jumped in on a discussion I was having with Pat. This is the original claim I said I did not buy. If you want to talk about something else, that is fine.
Taking action is no guarantee of stopping it. Are the protests / riots and violence in Portland over since Trump took action and sent in the border patrol?
I think it is reasonable possibility that if you meet Antifa and BLM with violence, that the protests and riots will grow. It has happened before with other protests.
I responded to this:
The reason the riots began is another question, but the reason why they are going on for months in places has to do with the people running those places, and those are Democrats.
Did they not leave because the local and state government was taking legal action and making a bunch of noise?
So what do you propose as an alternative? Let them set up lawless zones like the CHAZ and run everyone else out of town? Half the problem is these people being released after a night or two in jail. It’s only the lack of political will to end the riots that is keeping them going.
But the rioting is due to the country’s climate created by Trump and his ilk. When the question asked is “Who would handle this situation better: Biden or Trump?” that’s not the right question. It’s who would have avoided putting us in this position to begin with.
As I have said over and over, I am open to evidence showing this. All the evidence I have been given has been correlation dressed up as causation. Can you show causation?
I thought it was simple, meet them with law and order and it ends quickly. Didn’t happen. They weren’t there an hour or something, it was a significant time of law and order and the violence increased.
It is kinda hard to know what to do in these situations. I am not claiming to know what to do, only that we don’t know that Democrats are responsible for the violence.
You can’t blame it all on Trump, US politics were already becoming very polarized back when Obama was in office. Not only that, but police were killing people back then too and there were large riots like in Baltimore. The difference is that Obama was inviting BLM leaders to the white house, and that’s not much of a solution.
I can’t type in braille, sorry.
And now it’s better?
Great solution.
I think Trump and those complicit to his rhetoric are to blame. There will always be polarization with politics, but a science-denying, race-baiting, grab-em-by-their-genitals “leader” is sure way to provoke chaos.
I don’t think I buy this. Do you mean Trump antagonized an already exploding situation? Yes, I can agree with that. But the riots did NOT start because of him.
So in other words BLM and Antifa are not criminally responsible for their actions because some people say mean things.
Anyone that commits a crime is responsible for their actions, regardless of what you label them. But let’s treat the cause, not the symptoms.
Your logic is backwards. Why was Obama not the cause of any of the riots that happened while he was in office? There were also a lot of mass shootings, those are rare now that Trump is president. Do you think that Trump may have singlehandedly stopped mass shootings? Maybe he deserves a Nobel peace prize.
Trump isn’t the cause.