I would personally love to look at that percentage. Any chance you could provide it?
Iām sure you can find some data that will give you an idea. Befriend a city Police Officer and ask him, if you need to.
So thatās a ānoā. Gotcha. Thanks for confirming.
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Actually my best friend is a first responder in a very low income city. 2 of his friends (that were groomsmen in his wedding) are local PD legacies.
Youād be amazed at how never those stories come up.
You beat me to itā¦
Edit: fwiw I have zero doubt the family dynamic average on public assistance is different than the non public assistance crowd, I was just genuinely hoping someone could back up the stat
For welfar/public assistance in general, or specifically public housing?
Works for me if it also applies to abortion.
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Welfare/public assistance in general
If/when some horror show of a society starts āabortingā kids, itāll apply.
Ok. I was looking at public housing instead and was having a hard time with that.
During the search, I did find this. Can we expect reasonably equal outcomes from vastly different circumstances? Still looking.
Racial or ethnic group
Children in single-parent families
Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders
17 percent
Non-Hispanic whites
25 percent
Hispanics
42 percent
American Indian and Native Alaskans
53 percent
Non-Hispanic blacks
67 percent
A distinction without a difference as far as Iām concerned.
Parents make bad decisions and then abort their _______(insert whatever word you prefer here).
If society should be responsible for children because theyāre born into their circumstances and they shouldnāt be punished for their parentās bad decisions then the same should apply to the unborn, imo.
Feel free to agree, disagree, respond, or not respond. I said what I wanted to say and Iām not interested in doing another abortion thread.
I think that is a perfectly sound position. Pro-life should mean pro-life, not pro-birth.
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A search for āpublic assistance and family structureā brought up thousands of results and it looked like paper written by PhDās on either side of the subject. No really nice graphs or pie charts though.
Then did a search for āsingle parent homes and public assistanceā and got a government study from 2004. Should be grist for the mill.
I have no dog in this fight because I donāt think government should try and mold/coerce culture (like marriage rates or anything). We know the nuclear family is on the decline since the sexual revolution and government benefits clearly went up in 1965. Correlation, causation and all that.
Found a welfare queen anecdote from 2017 in the first search. For fun.
Cool, that means I can sit up nice and tall on my high horse and pontificate without interruption.
This sort of elision is what makes the abortion issue so unnecessarily polarized. Itās ludicrous to say the distinction between a fertilized egg and a child is āwithout a difference.ā For non-crazy people, a momentās introspection is enough to recognize that this is not the case. No (non-crazy) person has the same emotional reaction to the news of a first-trimester abortion as they do to the news of the death of a child.
Please donāt bring up abortion, my adamant pro-life soul wants to join that argument always! Yet, I donāt want to participate in running the thread off the rails. Rwarrr! Must resist. Mustā¦Resist!
Ok, phew, Iāve wrestled back control.
Well, not so fast. Youāre misunderstanding me so I will clarify.
That isnāt the distinction without a difference Iām actually not even sure how you arrived at this conclusion.
TB wrote & I responsed:
You then wrote:
As far as Iām concerned, whether it is individual parents making the decision to commit abortions or a horror show society making that choice is the distinction without a difference, imo. CDC had legal abortions in 2014 at 652K w/ 3,985M births. So, what, 15% of pregnancies terminated? Thatās a pretty high percentage, imo.
Like I said, my position is that kids, regardless of their point of development, do not put themselves in their circumstance and should not be punished for the bad decisions of their parents. Imo, thatās true of a 2nd trimester whatever, a 2 -year-old, or a 17-year-old.
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Plato would have agreed with youā¦ Not thinking thatās going to work, though. Canāt send the kids to the Gulags cause parents suckā¦
Speaking of family structure and children, I will shoehorn this in as aside. Down to 1.76 live births per woman according to recent news. Who is going to pay for the assistance programs? The increasing part of our population aging out of the workforce, who are themselves demanding they be taken care of?
Whatās the answer? If parents wonāt raise their kids, do we make some type of nationalized/militarized school system? Fail out/get thrown out of public school, you get shipped off to national school and all government assistance is cut off from your family.