Fix the communities they are located in.
But since that seems like it will never happen they need to look at what they are doing and accept it isn’t working and try something different, something else that will never happen. The people who run things see schools as social justice daycare centers.
How?
I think public schools work exactly as intended.
The most difficult? Are you meaning those in low income areas? If that’s what you mean, I’d say a few things: more funding and more accountability for teachers, but tougher rules inside the school. We just dont fund public education well enough, considering the size of classes, so fix that, and get more teachers.
I want to make it easier to fire bad teachers, but who are you going to replace them with if the job and pay are crap? We have to increase pay and the amount of teachers to recruit talent into the positions.
And finally, tougher rules, and schools that back teachers who enforce them. I don’t like charter schools very much, but one thing they intentionally provide is a more focused, structured experience for the kids. Same for private schools. There’s no reason not to duplicate that.
No, and you’re swerving yet again into a non-sequitur. Point is, public education has been a commitment since the early days of the nation, led by the states. It’s not a new “federal” phenomenon to grouse about, despite DOE’s involvement, which is a mixed bag.
On board
On board
Not on board. According to the OECD we spend more than almost any other nation on our students. Most troubled districts spend more per student than decent performers (DC, Baltimore, Chicago etc…)
Not a non-sequitur. Federal involvement in education makes it worse. And the federal dollars come with strings attached. Wresting control of education from parents and teachers.
But even as the article notes, you can’t view spending in a statistical vacuum. There are discrete needs in terms of funding - primarily better salaries and more teachers to shrink classroom sizes - to improve the situation. Some of that funding can come from cutting administrative bloat (and should) but the need for more money is there, and if that means additional funding beyond what you can save through cuts, then it has to be done.
Yeah, it is. The issue was whether public education and its underpinning values was/is a bedrock American principle. It was/is - that’s the point. Whether the federal involvement makes it or better is a fair debate, but irrelevant to the original question.
Just throwing this out there, a teacher =/= a teacher as someone (@zecarlo maybe) stated above. I know Baltimore, for example, is running a student loan forgiveness program where college graduates take a crash course (6 weeks iirc) on teaching and then have to teach in the inner city for two years. In the county I’m in, not only do teachers need to have a teaching degree, but they have to obtain a masters or equivalent within a certain time period (10 year iirc) to receive tenure (sp?).
These folks are desperate for a job (I know one person doing this who was a philosophy major…), that have no idea how to be a teacher, and they don’t want to be teachers. That’s a lot different, imo, than the person that wants to teach and has 8+ years of education to do just that.
Yup, these kids tumble through the system like a dryer that never shuts off.
I think part of the problem is that the schools refuse to get the parents off their lazy, crack-smoking asses and deal with their kids.
When the kids are failing or misbehaving, send them home, make them stay home. When the parents actually have to deal with their own kids, they will find a way to make them behave in school.
There are so many levels that remove the parents and communities out of having to deal with the babies they made, that is flat day care.
It’s Dr. Phil and a 40 time.
Make the parents have to deal with the kids at home with them… That’s the sad part, the parents don’t want them at home. And there are so many ways to protect the parents from having to deal with them that they don’t even worry.
If your little shit, is throwing chairs, scissors, pencils, hitting other kids or kicking the Principal in the eye. His ass needs to be suspended. But no, first it’s in-school suspension. Then it’s 1 day suspension with all their work, which is a day off for the kid, etc. Maybe if a kid murders another kid, they will suspend him, maybe.
If the little fucker fails 1st grade 6 times, so be it. He’ll be 12 in 1st grade. You have to actually pass the core curriculum to move on. If you can not, then they cannot move on. Why that has become a murky concept is beyond me.
If it hurts their little feelings tough shit. It’s the parents problem, not the school’s.
They put everything on the teachers, but give them no tools to discipline. Sure if the teacher could slap the shit out of a kid hear and there, the teacher could have more control. But teachers can even pretend to come close to touching a kid or it’s their ass forever. So they are given all the responsibility and none of the tools.
I could teach high functioning, high-school kids.
Fuck little kids, they are germy and gross, pick their asses all the time, just disgusting.
At least you can throw big kids out. Little kids will take off out of the building.
If we could guarantee nobody would abduct them, I don’t think anybody would care. But the liability is to high to the school.
mkay.
That’s the $60,000 dollar question. Zecarlo is right, a well engaged functioning community is the key of keys. How to get these communities to acquiesce into some degree of stability is a whole other issue.
Throwing money doesn’t work, neither does starving them. Most people need something to do. People from the community investing in the community sure helps. But I don’t have all the answers.
Seriously, what do you do with the woman having babies to get a bigger welfare check? Beats me.
What do you do with the asshole who is legally in the country for over 5 years and speaks not a single word of English? When people establish bubbles, they don’t establish communities. And they just follow the bubble around so a “community” is always half abandoned.
I wish I had all the answers, I don’t. But some accountability would help. Not by government, the government fucks up wet dreams. People need to be accountable to each other and I don’t know how to make that happen…
If A,B,C,D, and E pay for F’s babies, then A, B, C, D, and E should be allowed to decide what to do with F and her babies. F could regain rights to her body and children by turning down funding.
Realistically? Wait for things to eventually implode.
It’s been a while since I read a less American sentence. Props
Interesting that it’s less “American” for those paying for something to make decisions regarding that something than for something to make decisions using money taken from others.
Americans care about things other than the purely transactional - like community and humaneness. That’s lost on Looneytarians - just like pretty much everything else.
Then Americans will definitely pay for that lady to keep breeding without being forced to do so by the government, and without forcing others to do so.
Edit: LOL @ “community”-what a quality community we can expect to see with women reproducing for money!
Not all that interesting. Pretty basic stuff.
Not hard-ons for the FFs. Got that shit for dayssss
Or they can, for efficiency and administrative reasons, set up a public bureau or agency that handles it and we collectively fund such charity, as opposed to dealing with it on an inefficient, ad hoc basis. So we did, and do. And it works fine.
And on a related note, what data have we seen that this phenomenon truly exists outside of a handful of exceptions? Have you seen it? Or is it just another horseshit urban legend libertarians try to pass off as fact on the internet?
EDIT: oh, and one other general point - the point here, as it is with so much of welfare, is the kids. Whatever their circumstances, kids don’t choose to be born into them, and even if some cartoon version of the welfare queen exists out there, I see no need to punish the kids, who deserve a chance for an opportunity in this life, regardless of their parent’s bad judgment.
Quoting for truthness. Id give quite a bit for the people that talk about “welfare queens” and “kids having more kids for a bigger check” to actually produce data instead of just yelling brietbart things
Prolly that, Brohan. Just look at the huge percentage of stable, two-parent families in government housing.
Exactly. Let others take the children they are paying for, unless Mama wants to start paying for them.