[quote]Angelbutt wrote:
On second thought, fish oil supplements are probably not a good idea because of mercury contamination. Some supplements can have concentrated amounts of mercury, so she’d have to make sure that the supplements she uses do not contain high levels.quote]
There is no correlation between taking fish oil supps and mercury poisoning.
[quote]SpeedStrength wrote:
I can’t stand but laugh at your friend. Tell her to eat, its not difficult. Jesus, is she like, partially retarded???[/quote]
Wow, that was uncalled for. I am trying to help out a friend that has to stay in bed 23 out of 24 hours for the next 4 months and you call her retarded?
She is already eating more than ever before in her life, and yet needs additional “building blocks”. She was tiring of drinking Ensure so I thought the T-Nation could provide additional options to those I already presented.
Clearly some on this board can provide useful suggestions, others are just clueless.
[quote]rholdnr wrote:
Angelbutt wrote:
Dude where the hell do you get your info from. [/quote]
Health professionals who teach undergraduate and graduate-level classes and have access to the latest research.
You misunderstand. 175g is the absolute minimum. Ideally, she should be getting 50-65% of her calories from CHO. This does not mean that 50-65%=175g.
Of course she should be eating real foods, but if she has real problems in doing that, supplements are necessary. Why is this an issue?
First of all, 25g is an average. It will be more or less depending upon the size of the woman. And like it or not, that’s what science has shown to be true. My point was that loading up on protein powers is unnecessary. Extra protein beyond what is needed will not make a baby any healthier if fats and carbohydrates are limited.
Not to be bitchy, but what makes you think you know what she needs? Have you talked to people who know about this subject, or are you just going on a hunch? Honestly? What is your basis for argument?
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
absolutely, but having a healthy mother is important as well, and eating quality calories is more crucial than just eating any of 'ol calories.
2 of the 1st 3 ingredients in Ensure is sugar. I happen to think there are better alternatives out there. One being real food, but like mentioned if that’s hard to do, then a quality meal replacement powder low or free of sugar (with complex carbs) along with protein would be a better choice.
But yes, in a pinch Ensure would do.[/quote]
We’re pretty much on the same page, but I just think that as soon as people see how much sugar is in Ensures they automatically think that they are crap. I’m not implying that they are the best MPRs out there, but they have their place in certain situations and can accomplish their goal. They’re not worthless. Working around the elderly for years, I know that many of them would’ve died if it weren’t for those drinks,a nd I’m not exaggerating.
[quote]rholdnr wrote:
Any fat is an excellent choice. Even fat from beef and pork, if they’re grassfed. And Egglands Best eggs and their counterparts aren’t “fortified” (a word you seem to not know the meaning of) with omega-3’s, they are naturally higher do to a better diet and better living conditions the chickens are given.[/quote]
Umm. I do know the meaning of fortified, thanks. You can buy pastuerized eggs that are fortified in cartons. Organic unpastuerized eggs are generally not recommended for pregnant women because the fetus is very susceptible to salmonella.
[quote]rholdnr wrote:
The sugars in Ensure are just as refined as the shit in soda. So what, your gunna tell her to down pepsi all day now?[/quote]
Of course not.
Soda is not a meal replacement.
It has no fat or protein.
It is not fortified.
Thanks for trying, though.
[quote]rholdnr wrote:
Any fat is an excellent choice. Even fat from beef and pork, if they’re grassfed. [/quote]
I was referring to the need for DHA.
[quote]rholdnr wrote:
Angelbutt wrote:
There is no correlation between taking fish oil supps and mercury poisoning.[/quote]
For unborn babies, too?
Mercury overload only slightly affects women who are pregnant, but mercury accumulates in the mother’s tissues, which can intensify the fetus’s exposure to it. Prolonged ingestion of mercury may not have any effect on the mother, but it can cause mental retardaion, hearing loss, and seizures in babies who are exposed in utero.
I would not take any chance by telling a pregnant woman to take fish oil supplements. Any other time, fine, but not while pregnant. 12oz. of low-mercury fish or another, safer supplemental source would be much less dangerous.
Alright, AB, you can live in your own fantasy world, I won’t shake it up.
i support the notion that no-one who has posted here yet, is probably qualified enough to tell a pregnant woman what she needs…
protein powders, fish oil all seem like ridiculous ideas to me…
good food sounds better…
who knows what type of stuff is in the average powder
[quote]ungarn wrote:
SpeedStrength wrote:
I can’t stand but laugh at your friend. Tell her to eat, its not difficult. Jesus, is she like, partially retarded???
Wow, that was uncalled for. I am trying to help out a friend that has to stay in bed 23 out of 24 hours for the next 4 months and you call her retarded?
She is already eating more than ever before in her life, and yet needs additional “building blocks”. She was tiring of drinking Ensure so I thought the T-Nation could provide additional options to those I already presented.
Clearly some on this board can provide useful suggestions, others are just clueless.
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I’M THE CLUELESS ONE? Your friend is clueless. She can’t physically eat? Is this like a hereditary problem?
Seriously, it really isn’t all that hard. My mother ate while pregnant, and she’s had 2 children!
Holy crap most of the people on this thread just don’t get it. The issue isn’t that Ensure is good or bad for you, this issue is that she will get sick of drinking that crap that many times. There are lots of alternatives to Ensure. You’re best bet is to get the doctor to give you a list of [u]APPROVED[/u] alternatives that are just as effective. Pregnant women need calories to support the development of the child.
They need extra fat.
They need extra protein.
They need extra carbs.
It’s really that simple. There are no surefire ways to determine exactly what “extra” is. Doctors just find that Ensure is quick and easy, and not loaded with junk they don’t need. Sugar is not the devil to a pregnant woman. If she gains two extra pounds while pregnant who cares?
Also- ask the doctor why she needs to even drink ensure? If she’s sedentry all day long, she’s burning less calories, therefore she should need to take in less. It seems kind of backwards to me.
I think we’ve all also overlooked the real question here. Why is she needing bedrest, especially for 4 months??? Does she have some form of disease that makes her pregnancy harder? This may tie directly to why she needs the Ensure and you may not be able to swap it out easily.
As for those who want to question my opinion - My wife is currently 37 weeks pregnant with our second child. She didn’t need bedrest this time around, but she did last time for about 3 weeks. Only due to exhaustion. The doctor’s at that time didn’t seem too overly concerned with what she was or was not eating.
[quote]rholdnr wrote:
Alright, AB, you can live in your own fantasy world, I won’t shake it up.[/quote]
You have no valid response so you insult me by implying that I fantasized everything.
…smells like projection, but whatever.
[quote]nbutka wrote:
i support the notion that no-one who has posted here yet, is probably qualified enough to tell a pregnant woman what she needs…
protein powders, fish oil all seem like ridiculous ideas to me…
good food sounds better…
who knows what type of stuff is in the average powder[/quote]
I’m not qualified, but I’m well on my way. The information I shared is what qualified professionals would say. I even asked one of my professors who has experience with the nutrition of women and children, and she agress with me.
It’s really scary that so many people think I’m full of shit when I at least offer rationales for what I suggest, as opposed to others’ hunches. People here are giving recommendations based on what they “feel” is right without any scientific, evidence-based support for what they say or consideration of advers consequences.
This is dangerous. The tenets of nutrition that many here are used to are not universal. Special cases require special considerations. Pregnancy is just one example of a special case. Women have to be very careful of what they put into their bodies when they are pregnant. Using supplements that have not been evaluated by the medical community for safety in regards to pregnancy is irresponsible when the long-term health of a baby is so easily influenced by maternal diet.
How can anyone argue with this?
[quote]Angelbutt wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
I would choose something a little lower in sugar than Ensure, if you have to go that route.
Gaining the appropriate amount of weight during pregnancy is absolutely critical for the health of the child. The sugars in Ensures can accomplish this and provide missing vitamins and minerals through fortification. [/quote]
Answer is her.
[quote]SpeedStrength wrote:
ungarn wrote:
SpeedStrength wrote:
I can’t stand but laugh at your friend. Tell her to eat, its not difficult. Jesus, is she like, partially retarded???
Wow, that was uncalled for. I am trying to help out a friend that has to stay in bed 23 out of 24 hours for the next 4 months and you call her retarded?
She is already eating more than ever before in her life, and yet needs additional “building blocks”. She was tiring of drinking Ensure so I thought the T-Nation could provide additional options to those I already presented.
Clearly some on this board can provide useful suggestions, others are just clueless.
I’M THE CLUELESS ONE? Your friend is clueless. She can’t physically eat? Is this like a hereditary problem?
Seriously, it really isn’t all that hard. My mother ate while pregnant, and she’s had 2 children![/quote]
Seems like your mother dropped you on your head a few times. If you have nothing worthwhile to add please just move on.
My friend was probably 105 lbs soaking wet prior to pregnancy, and has a fast metabolism. She is eating more high quality food than ever before and yet needs additional calories based upon the progress of her pregnancy.
She has been prescribed bedrest because of a short cervix and a two-vessel umbilical (instead of three). This baby will be premature (not full term) so they are taking action.
I think she is fine with Ensure, but is getting tired of the same thing again and again. I do not think anyone would really crave 3-4 servings of Ensure a day for 4 months or so.
[quote]ungarn wrote:
My friend was probably 105 lbs soaking wet prior to pregnancy, and has a fast metabolism. She is eating more high quality food than ever before and yet needs additional calories based upon the progress of her pregnancy.
She has been prescribed bedrest because of a short cervix and a two-vessel umbilical (instead of three). This baby will be premature (not full term) so they are taking action.
I think she is fine with Ensure, but is getting tired of the same thing again and again. I do not think anyone would really crave 3-4 servings of Ensure a day for 4 months or so.
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If all she needs is calories, hell she could eat ice cream! It has about the same nutritional value as Ensure, and she’s still getting the calcium. I’m sure the doctor’s “prescribed” Ensure because it was something she could eat quickly that didn’t need to be prepared for her. I’m sure it really doesn’t matter what she eats, it was just a convenience thing.
Tell her good luck from all of us regardless.
[quote]ungarn wrote:
SpeedStrength wrote:
ungarn wrote:
SpeedStrength wrote:
I can’t stand but laugh at your friend. Tell her to eat, its not difficult. Jesus, is she like, partially retarded???
Wow, that was uncalled for. I am trying to help out a friend that has to stay in bed 23 out of 24 hours for the next 4 months and you call her retarded?
She is already eating more than ever before in her life, and yet needs additional “building blocks”. She was tiring of drinking Ensure so I thought the T-Nation could provide additional options to those I already presented.
Clearly some on this board can provide useful suggestions, others are just clueless.
I’M THE CLUELESS ONE? Your friend is clueless. She can’t physically eat? Is this like a hereditary problem?
Seriously, it really isn’t all that hard. My mother ate while pregnant, and she’s had 2 children!
Seems like your mother dropped you on your head a few times. If you have nothing worthwhile to add please just move on.
My friend was probably 105 lbs soaking wet prior to pregnancy, and has a fast metabolism. She is eating more high quality food than ever before and yet needs additional calories based upon the progress of her pregnancy.
She has been prescribed bedrest because of a short cervix and a two-vessel umbilical (instead of three). This baby will be premature (not full term) so they are taking action.
I think she is fine with Ensure, but is getting tired of the same thing again and again. I do not think anyone would really crave 3-4 servings of Ensure a day for 4 months or so.
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I simply don’t like people who can’t f@cking eat. That is simply stupid if someone can’t eat to the point where they are only 105lbs. I’ve seen people who could atleast feed themselves up to 130lbs. I myself have learned to eat and your friend can too.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
Holy crap most of the people on this thread just don’t get it. The issue isn’t that Ensure is good or bad for you, this issue is that she will get sick of drinking that crap that many times. There are lots of alternatives to Ensure. You’re best bet is to get the doctor to give you a list of [u]APPROVED[/u] alternatives that are just as effective. Pregnant women need calories to support the development of the child.
They need extra fat.
They need extra protein.
They need extra carbs.
It’s really that simple. There are no surefire ways to determine exactly what “extra” is. Doctors just find that Ensure is quick and easy, and not loaded with junk they don’t need. Sugar is not the devil to a pregnant woman. If she gains two extra pounds while pregnant who cares?
Also- ask the doctor why she needs to even drink ensure? If she’s sedentry all day long, she’s burning less calories, therefore she should need to take in less. It seems kind of backwards to me.
I think we’ve all also overlooked the real question here. Why is she needing bedrest, especially for 4 months??? Does she have some form of disease that makes her pregnancy harder? This may tie directly to why she needs the Ensure and you may not be able to swap it out easily.
As for those who want to question my opinion - My wife is currently 37 weeks pregnant with our second child. She didn’t need bedrest this time around, but she did last time for about 3 weeks. Only due to exhaustion. The doctor’s at that time didn’t seem too overly concerned with what she was or was not eating.[/quote]
Ask a Doctor?About a pregnant woman?Seriously? Holy snikies!
My mother charted out her nutrition for the nine month period and force fed herself before sleep if she forgot anything from the list during the day.
Needless to say I came out on time at 11 lbs 2 ounces. an extremely healthy 11 lbs. I wasn’t fat, but very big compared to a newborn. If i were a woman i’d probably do the same thing. it just makes sense.