Religion, Rights, and Morality

So, for my state in Australia up until recently I believe it was that any adult guardian could give permission/supply. But now I believe it has been changed to parental guardians only.

Yes… This kind of punishment ought to be reserved for the greedy pieces of shit that knowingly upscale the prices of essential meds like insulin so type one diabetics in the US without adequate health insurance have to pay 50$/dose…

Probably responsible for countless deaths. I joke about necessitating the death penalty for these abhorrent individuals, though they deserve prosecution and to be stripped of all assets/funds procured through such immoral practices.

The death penalty and prison time haven’t been and aren’t the only ways of punishing people.

Part of running a place is imposing one’s will on others who don’t want it. That’s the case today, and it always has been. And no one can change this.

Having your or my way or any others’ ways gotten infringes on what others want. There can be a peaceful solution or it can come down to force. There’s a whole lot of force being used in the Anglosphere right now actually.

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Sure… Even democratically elected politicians within secular societies will impose legislature/alter societal constructs in effort to cater towards the favourable majority demographic that will vote to keep said politician in power

But this can’t even be remotely compared to genocide.

There is no rationale behind religious persecution mediated through alternate religious factions aside from blanket hatred and intolerance. I’d invite you to try change my mind on this. I can’t see the rationale for killing someone or enabling systemic persecution because a demographic is Jewish, Islamic, Christian etc on the sole basis of the religious affiliation someone is born into.

Seems pretty common in the US considering like 0.5-1% of all Americans are incarcerated

But yes, civil penalties also exist. As does community service, probation/house arrest, inhumane boot camps etc.

Neither can I.

No. I don’t know even what other approach he could taken lol. He is who he is.

However, I’m not the kind of person who looks at the past like this so I don’t really know how to answer your question. I don’t know any other way to put it other than grudges are too mentally tiring for me. There would be too many other things like racism, shitty cops and the military to dwell on if I did. I’m kind of a more forward looking kind of person. Which doesn’t mean I’ve forgotten anything.

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I realize this isn’t really an answer so I think I’ll describe what effect it has had on my thinking and actions. I resent any form of authority which is why I couldn’t stay in the military even though I’d probably be at least a LTC by now going by my reservist rank. The day I got my civilian ID back I went fishing without bait just because I could lol. I didn’t pursue what I studied as a career because of similar reasons and chose self-enterprise even though it would have much easier and equally lucrative. I loath any form of government intervention although you have to accept it if you live here BUT I take any chance I can get to fuck with any government representative telling me what to do with knowledge acquired from my studies and I’ve literally made one cry.

Shit, none of this seems to make much sense either lol. You’d have to talk to my 2nd brother who’s just a little younger than me. He’ll have lots of things to say.

However, even amongst us, there’s a kind of “chain of command” going on. In reality, I could “order” him to come online but I would never do that. It would be silly and you won’t understand half of what he writes because he’s not going to change his vernacular just for a foreign forum lol.

He even knows when to shut up when he’s ranting about our dad and he sees my facial expression change. And there’s no reason at all to be afraid of me other than he knows what my temper was like when I was much younger but I never directed it at him other in a calculated way to keep him in line sometimes or he’d have become a gangster and a pretty “successful” one too given his character lol. It’s just how we were brought up. Like me, he doesn’t take shit from ANYONE IRL when he knows there are no legal or financial consequences and has an utter disdain for any form of authority other than family. The only difference is I know when to walk away when I realize the person in any conflict is a loon so any “victory” wouldn’t be satisfying for me but he’d go all the way even if it came to punches being thrown.

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Ok, after all the rambling, I’ve think I’ve figured out what my point is. If my character isn’t what it is, I could have turned out to be a really shitty and probably pretty dangerous member of society given the environment I was brought up in because of my upbringing. Someone else in my place may have chosen that path. It’s probably a “hit of miss” kind of thing.

America is an increasingly violent country. As I’ve said on the forum before, there has been an astonishing increase in crime since the 1970’s.

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I’m neither agreeing nor disagreeing, but the image you posted doesn’t show that-it just shows the number of incarcerated individuals.

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The vast majority of those incarceration are for non violent, minor crimes like drug possession for personal use.

I’d have to look it up again… But if I recall correctly something like only 45% of violent crimes ever end up with an arrest. A large portion of murders also go unsolved.

There were a distinct set of bills starting with Nixon’s war on drugs that factored into the mass incarceration epidemic we see today. Interestingly both democrats and Republicans are at fault for this as both catered towards the “let’s out edge my previous counterpart in power” type mentality. All of which were “tough on crime” so penalties for misdemeanours have been treated with increasingly punitive measures despite not serving as deterrents… Or the incarceration rate would be dropping.

Australia has also been going down this route, looking at imposing jailtime/inhumane punishment for admittedly minor youth offences, bills neglecting/making bail more difficult to come by have also passed in areas like the northern territory. We aren’t (typically) even talking about violent crimes. We are talking about imposing jail time for say … A sixteen year old learner driver being an idiot and getting behind the wheel without an adult. Plenty of countries allow you to drive independently at that age regardless. 16y/Olds here depending on how far in they are with being sixteen will probably already have 30-60+ hours of supervised driving (need 100-120+ to get probationary license at 17-18 depending on state).

It won’t serve as a deterrent, but it will lead to ruined lives and kids in jail who otherwise probably don’t need to be there.

I’d also ask, has the rate for violent crimes per capita increased? I legitimately don’t know… There are waaayyyyy more people in America/the world today compared to 1920.

Is the increase in crime a result of increased police reports? What constitutes a crime? Does smoking a joint count as a crime? If so, then I’d agree… We’ve seen an immense increase in crime.

You grew up in NYC/Brooklyn correct? Compare Brooklyn/NYC to the 1970’s and now (were you alive in the 70’s?). Violent crime rates are waaaaaayyyy lower now. NYC was at one point in time quite a dangerous place to live.

Well there’s this. And yes, perhaps a graph simply showing incarceration rates does not show actual crime rates. But the US does not have the same atmosphere it did when my parents were growing up. That is, they could use the NYC subway system at very young ages while I wouldn’t let my own kids do that at the same ages.

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This is a bit dated but still telling in that it shows that over time the US became more violent since the 1960s.

Yes, NYC was a very violent place from the 70s to 90s. It’s also why I’ve regrettably indulged in making sarcastic comments about how snark in online forums would have a very bad outcome for keyboard warriors if they took it offline back in the day, from the 90s to early 2000s, even in some middle class towns. I personally didn’t come from a high crime town. I grew up in a suburb of Northern Queens but even our town and some nearby towns had a good share of people who would gladly throw down.

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Holy SHIT!

Look at 1990… Almost 1% subject to rape, homicide etc… That’s terrifying, something you’d expect in South Africa or something

As to what we let kids do now vs back in the day. A change in mentality mediated through media narratives/reports enveloped various nations starting around the late 70s. Hitch hiking used to be acceptable, as was letting kids wander off and roam around in parks/with their friends unsupervised

Many serial killers used the relatively blaze nature of hitch hiking to their advantage.

Then with widespread availablity of televisions and the advent of an overhaul regarding news/reporting people started talking about the dead bodies, and thankfully young women and whatnot stopped getting in stranger’s cars (the whole concept is super odd to me as someone who grew up without hitch hiking)

Now it’s progressed to a little bit of nanny statitis with some advocating for contact sports for kids like football and karate being taken away, people getting riled up over playful roughousing between kids etc

I did karate for like five years as a kid/teenager and it was fun as hell, a good opportunity to socialise, a good stress reliever. Banning that is ridiculous. I took a few knocks to the head but I’m ToTaLlY fInE. I’m representative of a PeRfEcT oUtCoMe

Jokes aside, my issues have nothing to do with karate

Does it not also show that crime has since continued to drop starting in the 90s?

Thankfully, the majority of people, including those willing to throw down, don’t know how to fight.

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Very true. A couple months of striking + grappling training and you’d be able to ragdoll 95% of the adult population.

Even just knowing one art and having any kind of sparring or combat experience is FAR superior to the avg person. Then again, there’s always “punchers chance”.

But against someone who knows how to fight, 95% of the time the guy who can’t fight loses in like ten seconds. Most people who think they can fight but have never actually learnt a fighting discipline can’t fight… At… All…

They might have been in a few street brawls and won with some shitty, yet advantageously well placed haymakers by punchers chance. But when they go up against someone who knows how to fight and isn’t afraid to fight it’s no contest.

Look at where the majority of those crimes are committed. People, or rather fragile babies, will call the following fact, racist: look at the demographic that is committing the majority of violent crime in America. People from a demo that is around 3% or so of the population is committing over half the violent crime. It is going to skew the numbers nationwide. It’s like when people look at Baltimore public schools and say public school in the US is failing.

With that said, places like Chicago, Philadelphia, Camden, St. Louis, etc., are still America so the violent crime in those places is an American problem and national disgrace.

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Or, more likely, the guy who knows how to fight walks away because he isn’t a weak egoed man child. The person who takes the time to learn how to defend himself probably has things worth defending and his ego isn’t one of those things.

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It’s not always that simple. Sometimes the knowledge someone knows how to fight sparks idiots in motion. Guy A knows guy B knows how to fight. Guy A is an idiot and wants to fight guy B to prove what a badass he is… I guess… Guy B says “no”, guy A doesn’t take “no” for an answer and goes in for the kill because he’s so sure his high school football matches have made him a good fighter… Guy A has a bad time and winds up in a cross armlock or with a black eye or something.

Skill doesn’t do much for unforeseen attacks from behind, swarm attacks, box cutters, and people who don’t allow their buddies to lose.

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