Religion, Rights, and Morality

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Should be noted arrests for minor/non-violent crimes have also gone up dramatically in response to “the war on drugs”.

I use quotations as many bills passed in effort to make the criminal justice system more punitive led to a spike in incarceration related to other relatively minor non violent crimes.

I believe arrests for minor drug possession play a large role regarding mass incarceration in the USA, but it’d be disingenuous and I’d obviously be pushing an agenda if were to blame mass incarceration sole to the war on drugs.

If you’re referring to this I can certainly relate to this. Social isolation in Aus is pretty bad now, esp amongst youths coupled with prolonged, never ending lockdowns/restrictions on movement.

Given the negative headspace I get in when isolated for days at a time (seriously, this happened… During the peak I went days at a time without saying a word to anyone) I can certainly see how this could alter ones propensity to behave erratically. Or are we referring to a different type of alienation? Like feeling left/alienated from mainstream society? I feel like incels are created through means like this, a consistent, prolonged sense of rejection (for whatever reason) leads to radicalisation and resentment towards the demographic they feel alienated by.

Not to condone the incel movement, it"s a toxic, misogynistic, at times morally barren culture. But I do feel sympathy for the demographic if they SERIOUSLY believe they’re so inferior they can’t ever procure a female friend/girlfriend/wife.

I’m aware of this, people who think this way (gang members) tend to be of highly dubious character, I’d argue it’s probably a byproduct of environmental influence as sociopathy can be mediated sole to non-genetic variables

Psychopathy on the other hand is genetic.

The fact some think of incarceration an achievement is so backwards! Given my studies, the career Pathways I’m potentially looking at long term incarceration would be a badge of death.

Imagine rephrasing your statement to "WOOOOT!!! YEET!!! I’m so proud! I’ve fucked up the rest of my life, next to no professional career pathways could ever amount as cooperations won’t hire me! This is the best thing to ever happen to me! Can’t wait to avoid dropping the soap in the shower for the next 12 years

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You could say the two are interlinked. Narcissism is genetic, I don’t know whether the prevalence or narcissistic personality disorder has increased but social media etc influences narcissistic behaviour (don’t have to be a narcissist to behave like one).

However i’d argue societal culture in Australia is less well mannered, far more crude and “immoral” comparative to America if we refer to immorality as defined by things that I don’t definitively find immoral like premarital sex, rates of drug/alcohol abuse etc. Our incarceration rate is still well below that of the US by capita. Our violent crime rate is also many factors lower than America…

Should be noted these stats were taken like 12 years ago for the most part, I’d imagine the contrast is even more stark now.

So the culture of immorality as per religious standards hasn’t had that impact here. Religious prevalence and societal influence here starkly contrasts to that of America in that our level of influence is nil to none. If you refer to gang culture/street culture then yes… This probably has a large influence

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I know this is off topic, but general size comes into play a lot with civilian brawls. Like my buddy Hershel who played college O-line at 6’7", 350 lbs strong AF, with no fight training, is probably going to destroy most guys in a fight. I would put my money on him in a bar brawl against say a well trained 175 lb dude.

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I wouldn’t, particularly for grappling. Combat sports like BJJ allow for people to use weight manipulation to their advantage and take out far larger opponents (trained vs untrained). There are 5 foot, 95 lb BJJ chicks that could probably choke me out in 30 seconds or less.

A very well trained fighter will probably tire the bigger guy out.

Bruce Lee could push a grown man sixteen feet through the air with a “one inch punch”. As to boxers… Do you know how hard they can hit? I was in awe the other day watching a skinny as a rake amateur boxer train, I wouldn’t want to take a punch from a dude like him. It was powerful, and the speed was insane to boot. This guy could probably punch an untrained guy in the face twice with a ferocious level of force before they’d know what hit them.

What many people don’t realise is how effective/combat efficient trained people are relative to untrained people. Now if you friend was to take up boxing/judo/whatever for a few months then yes, he’d probably be unstoppable (even when training with far larger opponents).

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Have you seen the sparring between Connor Mcgreggor and Thor. I think there is a reason MMA has weight classes.

Also, I think Van Damn was beaten up pretty badly by a much larger bouncer in a bar.

Now, obviously there are exceptions, but if one guy is literally twice the weight of the other (and the bigger guy isn’t just a fat slob), the big guy usually wins even if he is less skilled.

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Thor trains for boxing and has had two professional fights. You can’t possibly compare him to an untrained larger male.

A good example for me to make would be helio Gracie vs far larger opponents trained in different styles of fighting. He was able to either submit or tie with opponents much, much larger than he was by using BJJ. It ought to be noted his opponents were also trained fighters, though Helio was an exemplary grappler. Now take someone like Helio Gracie in his prime and put him up against a MUCH larger totally untrained fighter… It’s literally no contest.

As I’ve said, there are 95lb BJJ girls out there who can probably choke me out. Granted the story mat differ if I was able to strike, but even then I’d have to get lucky and land a hit… And a hit is within grappling range.

Say the 5ft 95lb girl is an advanced grappler and has boxing training (can slip and weave)… I probably don’t stand a chance.

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I don’t think he was training for boxing at the time (video is a couple years old). Also Connor isn’t a fair comparison to your averaged fight trained male, as he is one of the best in the world.

He is also one of the best BJJ guys in the world.

I am not denying someone like the one of the Gracies could take down a much larger opponent. I am just saying that the guy who has done MMA classes and such, I think loses to the big bouncer type normally.

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Depends … Does the bouncer train?

An amateur boxer who competes and has a minor background in grappling but weighs 155lbs or so will (in my opinion) destroy an untrained albeit muscled/roided up 240lbs tall bodybuilder/bouncer

He can slip and weave between what will probably be slow and awkwardly thrown punches. If the bouncer goes in for a takedown he’s probably going to get choked out and/or the lighter guy knows how to resist getting on the ground/can get off the ground quickly.

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What about a muscled up 6’7" 350 lb former college athlete, that is closing in on a 500 lb bench after 6 months of training. Like this guy I know wouldn’t look small standing next to Thor. I’ve also played soccer with him, and he is quite fast and has pretty good endurance.

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I’m actually not sure. It might be possibly for the grappler to trip the guy

Benching is a shitty movement to mimic. If on the ground, benching your opponent will lead to an armbar if your opponent is trained.

Otherwise, can your friend punch fast? If not, a very experienced fighter can tire said friend out. Striking range is also grappling range.

I’ve played soccer, fighting endurance vs soccer/running/bodybuilding endurance is VERY different.

Sure… the guy is fat, but sumo wrestlers have endurance and tend to be VERY strong.

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That’s sparring.

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I only mentioned it to say he isn’t a fat slob at 350 lbs. It obviously depends on the opponent, but I don’t think many people would win a fight against him. For a smaller guy (150 lbs), they would have to be a very good fighter to stand a chance IMO.

He played O line, his wing span is bigger than his height. So he has like a 7’ wingspan. Both fighters in this case would have a far different range.

The physical disadvantages for the smaller guy would be a lot to over come. Like I don’t even know if most smaller guys could get him in a triangle choke based on how big his shoulders arms and neck are. He also has some skill at staying on his feet as a former O lineman.

IDK, I am not an expert. Obviously elite talent can make up for a lot. Like Bob Sapp was beaten a lot by much smaller fighters. Those guys are not the typical “trained” fighter at a bar though, and Bob would man handle those “trained” fighters.

I can agree with you somewhat depending on definition. An elite fighter can take down much larger opponents, even some trained ones. The Gracies are example of that. But if it is a built guy that is literally twice the size of the other guy who does recreational fight training, I think it almost always goes to the big guy.

I think we are both off a bit on our definitions though (or just not talking about the same situation), when I am saying a big guy, I am thinking WSM size like my buddy, and you mentioned a 240 lb guy. When you are saying trained, I think you are talking UFC level, and I am talking about a recreational fighter.

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Larger bouncer? Do you mean Chuck Zito?
Zito is trained in boxing and martial arts, and, as president of a Hells Angels chapter, I’m sure he isn’t a complete stranger to fighting.

Van Damme was also completely shitfaced according to Mickey Rourke.

But I don’t disagree that size isn’t insignificant.

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I didn’t know all the details on it, just remember it happened, and that he got some shit because he was supposed to be good at fighting.

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That incident doesn’t tell us anything about his fighting skill.
On the other hand, Stallone said tha Van Damme caught Steven Segall talking shit in some hollywood party and challenged him to step outside, and Segal split the scene.
I don’t know why, I find that hilarious.

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I think Steven Segall is a crazy person. I don’t know much about Van Damme, but I like that movie where he enters the underground fight tournament. Can’t remember what that one is called, but the main bad guy Asian fighter was yolked.

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My dad was a big fan of all those movies, I must have watched all those 80s and 90s martial arts movies when I was a kid.
The bad guy from Bloodsport was also in Enter the Dragon. And the one where Van Damme plays twins (dunno the name of that one in English).
Dude was jacked, indeed.

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He seems like he never switches off the douche button.

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I think that’s every one of his movies.

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I agree with this, I have known some scary dudes who may have not been formaly trained in any martial arts but were naturally skilled in physical confontation.
And willing to escalate right off the bat. These guys would skip the puffin the chest phase and smash your head with an ashtray. Or play like “it’s cool bro” and get you from behind when you least expect.

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