Whatever, dude. I’m not going to argue with you about religion. It’s an irrational belief and no amount of logic will help you. I wasn’t even actually talking about you.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
my dear friend Christopher might want to believe
[/quote]I never said he didn’t, I said that just because he commanded it once to a certain people doesn’t mean that he commanded everyone to kill infidels forever.[/quote]It was quite a bit more than once, but I agree. HIS specific commands in specific circumstances do not translate into a general endorsement of violence of any kind.
[quote]ssz28envy wrote:I love how Christians can pick and choose what they believe from their holy book, but Muslims are banned from doing the same…[/quote]Could I prevail upon you to tell me what parts I do not choose to believe please?
And BTW folks. God had no problem sending the very pagan idolaters He despised to inflict vicious chastisement on His own nation Israel for Her whoring after other Gods. His words. That seems to have been long forgotten by many alleged Christians today.
I wasn’t talking about you specifically, either. But, to appease you, I will clarify. In my experience, Christians generally denounce the Old Testament and rejoice in the New Testament. I can see why, too. The whole book is rife with contradictions.
I grew up in a Pentacostal family. Church every Wednesday and Sunday. Revivals all the time. Sunday school. I watched people pretend to speak in tongues and pretend that the “spirit” has moved them. It’s been explained to me many times that choosing what you believe in the Bible is perfectly acceptable. You may not agree with this, but others who share your belief in Christ have expressed to me these things. This is why I made that statement. Personal experience.
[quote]ssz28envy wrote:<<< In my experience, Christians generally denounce the Old Testament and rejoice in the New Testament. >>>[/quote]A person or group who does this is not Christian as there is no New Testament without the old. Would it be terribly inconvenient for you to provide some examples?
BTW, I too have seen plenty of fake phony charismata in my day, though I do believe the gifts of the Spirit and miracles are still around.
[quote]ssz28envy wrote:
Whatever, dude. I’m not going to argue with you about religion. It’s an irrational belief and no amount of logic will help you. I wasn’t even actually talking about you. [/quote]
I wasn’t talking to you either, I was making a general statement. I always figure that people know more about the Bible itself more than me. I wasn’t raised reading the Bible, I didn’t get my first one except a few years ago.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
charismata
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Is that like someone’s Charism is the stigmata?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:[quote]Tiribulus wrote:charismata
[/quote]Is that like someone’s Charism is the stigmata? [/quote]No Padre Pio. Please Chris? Like I say, I’ve seen plenty of fakes. Protestant ones too.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:[quote]Tiribulus wrote:charismata
[/quote]Is that like someone’s Charism is the stigmata? [/quote]No Padre Pio. Please Chris? Like I say, I’ve seen plenty of fakes. Protestant ones too.
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Please what? Are you asking me if I think if Padre Pio was faking it?
[quote]orion wrote:
Mohammed say nothing in the Quran, he merely put to paper Gods message.
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That’s because he was an illiterate. He used scribes to write down his ‘revelations’ for him. One of these scribes(Abdullah ibn Sa`d Ibn Abi Sarh) became disillusioned with Mo’s ‘devine revelations’ because he was constantly changing them and such. Said scribe was then murdered for heracy.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Besides on a politically correct tv show, when was the last time a group of christians committed an act of terrorism? I remember a couple years ago a bombing or attempted bombing in New York happened. The media wanted it so bad to be a group of straight, white christian males to be the perpertrators. They act like they were all heart broken when it turned out to be the usual suspects.
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I’ve already said that “I don’t think the average Christian Church is actually violent.”
That said, Christian nations don’t need terrorism, do they? Because they have armies and they can split the atom.[/quote]
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Besides on a politically correct tv show, when was the last time a group of christians committed an act of terrorism? I remember a couple years ago a bombing or attempted bombing in New York happened. The media wanted it so bad to be a group of straight, white christian males to be the perpertrators. They act like they were all heart broken when it turned out to be the usual suspects.
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I’ve already said that “I don’t think the average Christian Church is actually violent.”
That said, Christian nations don’t need terrorism, do they? Because they have armies and they can split the atom.[/quote][/quote]
I am obliged to yield and humbly admit defeat in the face of your overpoweringly persuasive and intelligent argument.
[quote]MaliMedved wrote:
The way I see it, both Koran and OT clearly say that sometimes God wants you to kill infidels.
The difference is only that Muslims still take that stuff seriously. (If we took the OT seriously we would have to kill gays, all non-virgin single women, all who work on Saturdays etc.)
If you honestly believed that say, Pope, is the infallible voice of God, and he told you that it is your duty to kill as many Muslims as you can, you’d assume that it is god’s will, and therefore, right and moral. And there are plenty of places in the Bible to lean on.[/quote]
The difference is: in the Old Testament, God commanded the Jewish tribes to kill their enemies in the Promice Land. These were guys who committed human sacrifice by slaughtering babies and feeding them to their god Moloch. No one believes in Moloch today.
In the Koran, the infidels Allah tells the Muslims to kill are Christians and Jews who are very much alive and active religions today.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]MaliMedved wrote:
The way I see it, both Koran and OT clearly say that sometimes God wants you to kill infidels.
The difference is only that Muslims still take that stuff seriously. (If we took the OT seriously we would have to kill gays, all non-virgin single women, all who work on Saturdays etc.)
If you honestly believed that say, Pope, is the infallible voice of God, and he told you that it is your duty to kill as many Muslims as you can, you’d assume that it is god’s will, and therefore, right and moral. And there are plenty of places in the Bible to lean on.[/quote]
The difference is: in the Old Testament, God commanded the Jewish tribes to kill their enemies in the Promice Land. These were guys who committed human sacrifice by slaughtering babies and feeding them to their god Moloch. No one believes in Moloch today.
In the Koran, the infidels Allah tells the Muslims to kill are Christians and Jews who are very much alive and active religions today.
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Obviously the Jewish G-d is more powerful that the Muslim’s because the Jews, even though far less superior in number and technology, were able to completely wipe out their enemy while the Muslim’s enemy continues to grow. j/k
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]clip11 wrote:
Besides on a politically correct tv show, when was the last time a group of christians committed an act of terrorism? I remember a couple years ago a bombing or attempted bombing in New York happened. The media wanted it so bad to be a group of straight, white christian males to be the perpertrators. They act like they were all heart broken when it turned out to be the usual suspects.
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I’ve already said that “I don’t think the average Christian Church is actually violent.”
That said, Christian nations don’t need terrorism, do they? Because they have armies and they can split the atom.[/quote][/quote]
I am obliged to yield and humbly admit defeat in the face of your overpoweringly persuasive and intelligent argument.[/quote]
What has having an army and nuclear tecnology have to do with terrorism? Terrorism more often than not is directed internally at one’s own government. Also, when one’s government isn’t attacking your enemy relentlessly enough terrorists help them i.e. Pakistan(which has a powerful army and can split the atom and launch it on ballistic missiles at mutliple targets).
Why aren’t Christians in American saying ‘Hey, our democratic government is secular and isn’t obeying the word of God. There are also heathens everywhere. How about we start a terrorist group to blow heathens up and destabilise our government so we can install a theocratic dictatorship?’ Likewise, why aren’t Christians in America saying 'Hey, those Muslims/Jews/Hindus etc are heathens and we should rule the world. Because our government won’t attack them, why don’t we send out cells of Christian suicide bombers to slaughter them and use truck bombs and such to destabilise their governments so we can take over and institute a theocratic dictatorship, make them convert, pay us heathen tax or cut their heads off?
It’s very difficult arguing against such an idiot point. But you get the drift.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
That said, Christian nations don’t need terrorism, do they? Because they have armies and they can split the atom.[/quote]
so can the Pakistanis. So there’s no terrorists in Pakistan?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
No one believes in Moloch today.
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Child sacrifice was a Phoenecian thing. Very interesting. The Carthaginians/Tyreans were Phoenecians and also practiced it. Early Roman sources describe Druids in Ireland in particular engaging in child sacrifice. Perhaps this was the Phoenecian legacy to the Gauls. Gauls had trading ports in the Meditteranean(Marseilles for instance) and would have traded with and encountered Phoenecians.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
No one believes in Moloch today.
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Child sacrifice was a Phoenecian thing. Very interesting. The Carthaginians/Tyreans were Phoenecians and also practiced it. Early Roman sources describe Druids in Ireland in particular engaging in child sacrifice. Perhaps this was the Phoenecian legacy to the Gauls. Gauls had trading ports in the Meditteranean(Marseilles for instance) and would have traded with and encountered Phoenecians.
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The people Joshua killed worshipped Baal and Astaroth. I did some research. My point still stands: who believes in Baal or Astaroth today? God did not command Joshua or ALL JEWS to kill ALL pagans or infidels FOREVER.
Furthermore, the Jews do not propagate their faith the way Christians or Muslims do, so the argument is basically void.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
No one believes in Moloch today.
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Child sacrifice was a Phoenecian thing. Very interesting. The Carthaginians/Tyreans were Phoenecians and also practiced it. Early Roman sources describe Druids in Ireland in particular engaging in child sacrifice. Perhaps this was the Phoenecian legacy to the Gauls. Gauls had trading ports in the Meditteranean(Marseilles for instance) and would have traded with and encountered Phoenecians.
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The people Joshua killed worshipped Baal and Astaroth. I did some research. My point still stands: who believes in Baal or Astaroth today? God did not command Joshua or ALL JEWS to kill ALL pagans or infidels FOREVER.
Furthermore, the Jews do not propagate their faith the way Christians or Muslims do, so the argument is basically void.[/quote]
I think you missed my point. I wasn’t disagreeing with anything you said. I was just saying I find Phoenecian civilisations interesting and as they predate Greek/Hebrew civilisation, were sea-faring traders and had contact with the Gauls I was speculating that Druidism and Phoenecian polytheism might have had some connection. RE age of the Phoenecian city of Tyre: founded 2750BC. Perhaps a slight thread derailment. Apologies.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
No one believes in Moloch today.
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Child sacrifice was a Phoenecian thing. Very interesting. The Carthaginians/Tyreans were Phoenecians and also practiced it. Early Roman sources describe Druids in Ireland in particular engaging in child sacrifice. Perhaps this was the Phoenecian legacy to the Gauls. Gauls had trading ports in the Meditteranean(Marseilles for instance) and would have traded with and encountered Phoenecians.
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The people Joshua killed worshipped Baal and Astaroth. I did some research. My point still stands: who believes in Baal or Astaroth today? God did not command Joshua or ALL JEWS to kill ALL pagans or infidels FOREVER.
Furthermore, the Jews do not propagate their faith the way Christians or Muslims do, so the argument is basically void.[/quote]
But had the religion survived today, would they suffer the same persecution? Child sacrifice notwithstanding, as it would have become another tradition people ignore when their religion is barbaric.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
No one believes in Moloch today.
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Child sacrifice was a Phoenecian thing. Very interesting. The Carthaginians/Tyreans were Phoenecians and also practiced it. Early Roman sources describe Druids in Ireland in particular engaging in child sacrifice. Perhaps this was the Phoenecian legacy to the Gauls. Gauls had trading ports in the Meditteranean(Marseilles for instance) and would have traded with and encountered Phoenecians.
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The people Joshua killed worshipped Baal and Astaroth. I did some research. My point still stands: who believes in Baal or Astaroth today? God did not command Joshua or ALL JEWS to kill ALL pagans or infidels FOREVER.
Furthermore, the Jews do not propagate their faith the way Christians or Muslims do, so the argument is basically void.[/quote]
Catholicism = fulfillment of Jewish faith.