Same here.
That’s exactly what I saw for really intelligent students who just couldn’t get good grades because ADHD wasn’t even known to exist where I lived. I was saying earlier we would have more talent to prop up the economy if they were diagnosed and treated at that age. Instead, they either became gangsters or manual laborers and some ended up in jail. Horrible waste of talent.
Yeah, learned that in catholic class. Just provided the exact quote.
Mental health should be a bigger focus of standard medical practice. Perhaps part of a regular checkups, with easier referrals to experts in the field. Maybe things are different in other parts of the world, but in the US, there is stigma attached to getting on meds for mental health.
I saw my regular doctor (my former now) to get treatment for ADD. I was diagnosed as a child, and was medicated. My mom took me off after a few months (she was scared about Ritalin stunting my growth). I made it through college (I think mostly because I thought it was interesting and I wanted to learn it). Work is tough, as I don’t find it nearly as interesting. Time can get away from me doing shit like this (T Nation). Anyways, the doctor treated me like a junkie. He didn’t do a damn thing (unless disparaging someone counts), and sent me a $130 dollar bill. I would rather not get treatment, but I don’t know if it will be an option if I want to remain in a high salary position. Perhaps my job now is interesting enough. The last job was pretty cool at the beginning (I got to design a couple medical devices), but then the company pivoted to not doing RND (product development), and I became a paperwork engineer, and that sucked balls. New job is more RND, so we will see how it goes.
Yeah, but we didn’t even have that in Asia back then. You guys at least acknowledged mental health issues like these EXISTED at that time. Even if doctors did(I don’t even know), society didn’t. TRT? Forget it, NO ONE I know even where I live does it today. Some women are afraid to see their gynos for their problems and resort to using those anti-androgen acne drugs they buy from Thailand to alleviate menopausal symptoms.
I think you probably may need to find a more empathetic doctor who can conduct more tests to confirm your illness at least and not give you shit for wanting to be able to function normally. There’s no reason anyone has to suffer if there’s treatment available.
Many intelligent, upper class people practice eugenics without even being aware of it, considering they are some of the most exclusionary and discriminative people around.
As stated before, some people have theorized that what lead to the industrial revolution was liberal use of capital punishment for hardcore criminals and psychopaths, which had a eugenic effect.
The notion that if we start paying attention to IQ we’re going to head to some Randian Purge is A form of gaslighting.
Probably so. I sometimes just think I need to do something not as stressful, that doesn’t take much focus to do. I have thought about doing auto repair stuff out of my garage. No training in it, but I seem to be able to fix things most people can’t. Perhaps I would take a few classes at the technical college near my house. It seems a waste of my potential, and it would be hard to give up the engineering money, but perhaps I would be happier doing that?
Eegad! No we don’t…
There is no way to speak on this topic with out sounding like a huge racist, but I will just say nepotism plays a huge role in how those positions are filled. The dirty little secret is they don’t use surnames, so you don’t know who is related to whom…
Yes, I GET THIS, I live in Asia FFS lol. Stuff like this, elitism and nepotism is a way of life. It’s why the movie Parasite was such a big hit in South Korea. People have long hated this shit.
I don’t have enough knowledge to comment on this.
I’m not saying it’s gonna happen. I’m saying that’s what people other than me FEAR.
And I was also being slightly hyperbolic for the sake of humor.
Of course there is nepotism. Thats the case for several demographics in the USA, including some white groups.
No, I get exactly what you’re saying and it’s an issue worth discussing although I don’t know what can be done other than social engineering by the governemt.
There’s lots of nepotism going on for the rich guys and companies they set up and fuckers in high positions. It happens in my country as well and the locals complain about it all the time.
There are also lower educated immigrants who can’t speak English and don’t want to assimilate, but instead, form their own closed communities. But I believe their children will assimilate if they attend public schools.
I read an interesting study a while back that showed that high IQ and looks are correlated. This research basically said that some groups get a disproportionate amount of looks and intelligence. IIRC, the theory behind the data was that attractive women are drawn to intelligent men (that one seemed hard to believe), but attractive men are drawn to attractive women (intelligence didn’t matter as much). Perhaps intelligent men also take better care of themselves, know how to dress, are successful, which helps them out with the hot ladies. IIRC, the study said there was a 5 point (1/3 std dev) difference in IQ between attractive people and unattractive people (this was in the US).
This is what I was referring too. I have seen it, I have even discussed it with a couple of very open younger Indians who flat tell me that’s the way it goes. One person comes here, lands a job, works his way up. When he’s in a hiring role, he H1B’s a bunch of his family and they all come and get jobs they are not qualified for but Uncle Nishva is the boss so it’s okay. Run that cycle over several dozen times and you get a whole community of immigrants who don’t assimilate, won’t assimilate, refuse to assimilate and they make their own communities where they don’t know the language and don’t have to. I am not saying they are the only ones who do that sort of thing, but there is a commonality among them that is different than other Asian groups who have no problem assimilating and maintaining their culture.
I unfortunately know more about the immigrant\ illegal immigrant communities than I should or want to. At least most of them do it legally and as long as the follow the law, there is very little I can say about it. Liking it is not required. I guess what irks me about it is that they have a very low opinion of Americans, but they love the fuck out of this country.
These younger guys are absolutely right other than the assimilation part. I can attest to that since half of my friends are second or 3rd generation Indians who tell me the same thing but they’re fully assimilated, just that they do take par frequently in customary/religious stuff when requiired, like pious Jews in the US do.
The older guys are just too proud to show weakness. They’re afraid if they try to assimilate hey won’t be accepted and will looking like fools or face constant ridicule for their accents, social status, dressing and the smell from their prayer oils from what I gather from speaking to the older guys here. So this is a “two sides to every coin scenario” here for observers looking at this from a superficial level(not that one can be blamed for this because they won’t communicate shit like this to you unless you get on really good terms with them).
The ILLEGAL immigrant part needs to be dealt with. No other country in the world would stand for this shit unless they really have too little manpower to handle it.
The thing about Indians and more traditional Chinese in general(I’m not mentioning others since I don’t know many intimately) is they have a lot of pride and it’s not easy to get them to open up even though they desperately want acceptance and more friends who will teach them the local culture in a non-condescending way.
It’s why I’m a little more progressive though I think the methods used are making them go back more into their shells instead because they feel like these hippy-like fucks are being condescending towards them depite their good intentions.
The thing is in Asia this shit is in overdrive. Given the fact that governments have more sway over the private sector and lots of corporations are partially State-owned, it’s even worse because of the overlap.
They become 88 mikes.
We had one who was not only border line. He was also crazy so he couldn’t qualify even for that. They put him in the lowest “grade”, as in only fit for shit like clerical duty. but couldn’t discharge him unless he agreed voluntarily because they were stupid enough to accept him in the first place after putting him through the IQ test and a psychiatric evaluation and he had committed no offence that warranted a discharge.
They left this guy in an unused logistic storage room with lots of old, unused and broken stuff. He kept writing to the COS that he wanted to be UPGRADED. A couple months in isolation and he finally came out with a fucking COFFIN he built himself since he had nothing to do and dragged it to the middle of the Parade Square and lay in it.
Someone called the RSM and when the RSM arrived, he was like, “Sir, I sleep in here now! Soon you will too! Come and try and see if it fits you!”.
That finally gave them an excuse to discharge him lol.
Perhaps I should have used the word “supernatural” since “metaphysical” when used within the context of discussions like these are are usually about experiences considered “mystical”, which implies a supernatural experience though, ironically, I’m actually saying a supernatural being did set all these events into motion, with the question being “was it predetermined by this being or did this being allow free will?”
So, using metaphysical in it’s actual context, it still doesn’t nullify the argument that these could have all been pre-determined experiences set in motion by a supernatural being so advanced he can divide by 0, hence reliance on such experiences, which may be considered metaphysical but still secular in nature when making a decision would end up in the decision made being inevitable because the experience itself, metaphysical or otherwise, would not allow for any other decision to be made.
So, given this, did Jesus actually choose to die for our sins or was it the illusion of choice? Or perhaps this choice was made BEFORE he was sent to our world in human form with vague memories as a God, with all the events set into motion to ensure he would make his “choice” because he had already made it prior to being born in our world, which would both satisfy “in accordance with the scriptures” and God’s status as an “Omnipotent and flawless” being since it would be a real bummer wrt His status if Jesus had just decided to say, “Flaying? Nails? Screw you guys, I’m going home.”.
That’s my experience too, the younger people want to assimilate and sort of at loggerheads with I guess their “elders”, who fancy themselves superior and don’t want to assimilate with the sweaty masses. I guess why that’s why those guys were frank about how it is in their culture, they are pissed because the older generation doesn’t want them ‘mingling’. God-forbid they fall in love and marry a honkey! That honkey will have in-law problems above and beyond normal, that’s for sure.
What I think is that their elders fear their kids will be discriminated and being “used” for some reason. You gotta think about the caste system in India that still exists to some extent and it’s really WEIRD that the top of the caste, which were the Whites(British) are now treating them as equals.
I feel more it’s complex in the sense that the onus isn’t on the natives to make the immigrants assimilate, but the immigrants aren’t assimilating because of distrust of the natives or fear of ridicule and/or condescension, plus the fear of the loss of culture.
Maybe the solution is to just leave the older generation be and be cool with the younger generation.
We younger Asians in general know that when we’re in someone else’s home, we abide by their rules. I do so even when I’m in China and in Hong Kong even though we’re the same racially but are different in certain ways culturally.